Victorians going to pay out our *****!!!!

SVTVNM · 09-07-2008, 02:31 PM

Sorry but this is going to be a rant. Reading the Herald Sun this Morning and on page 4, I read that the ineviatable is going to happen, all of us driving/owning anything other than a 4cylinder are probably going to have to pay extra or be slugged extra taxes because of what we drive, and this whole carbon emission Bull@#$t. I know that some other states have higher rego for 6/8's but what a croc. There a a few people on this Forum I have noticed( actually more than a few) who own more than 1 V8. Now, my problem is that you can only drive one car at a time, and most of all a well tuned early V8 and any late model V8 more than likely produce less emissions that any clapped out 4 cylinder buring oil and running like s@%t, but these people will more than likely get bonuses because of the cars they drive on face value. I don't know how many time Ihave been in traffic and had to choke on the fumes of some s%$t box. The majority of times it is always a small car rarely have I noticed it being anything other than a 4 cylinder or the odd V6/I6.

TuMor · 09-07-2008, 02:40 PM

I see what you mean, my old man's Gen# statesman chews far less petrol than my Mums old Liberty.
I think the cops should crack down with yellows on badly running cars.
Is it Singapore that requires motors to be rebuild after x years? To keep all cars running efficiently and have lesser emissions...

...the bad thing is i know i wont be selling my v8 for anything less so really its just another money grab scheme by the government, i think most v8 owners would do the same.

SB076 · 09-07-2008, 02:44 PM

Its just typical money grab from a government that has no clue how to handle money (when I say government I class them all the same both labor and liberal) Basically all governments spend $$$$ of your money catering to minority groups, but to keep them all happy they have tax the majoirty more. This is just another attempt at seeing how much more they can get from you.

**DJM83** · 09-07-2008, 03:57 PM

Yeah in QLD you pay rego according to engine capacity/amount of cylinders

sgt_doofey · 09-07-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 51RTE

Yeah in QLD you pay rego according to engine capacity/amount of cylinders

Same in SA. 4cyl cars are cheaper to register.
http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/fees/non_commercial.asp

fairmont1998 · 09-07-2008, 04:16 PM

Welcome to the unfair system SA has had fo ages. Rego prices fixed to cylinder count is rediculous. I've never agreed with it.

Whitey-AMG · 09-07-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fairmont1998

Welcome to the unfair system SA has had fo ages. Rego prices fixed to cylinder count is rediculous. I've never agreed with it.

LOL..........what happens to cars that run cylinder displacement technology.........how will they regulate those cars..........????

burnz · 09-07-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

LOL..........what happens to cars that run cylinder displacement technology.........how will they regulate those cars..........????

they class the ****le engine as 2.8ltr even tho it doesent have piston's.
sarech engine variable displacment.
and as you say D.O.D.

last fairlane · 09-07-2008, 07:12 PM

Here in brisbane a 4 litre Falcon is $650 for 12 months and $800 for a 302 even a thousand Ks away from Bris you pay the same less $145 for pensioner rego but only 1 car per address too bad in an old ladies home I moved here in 1984 and my 302 then was $280 and I thought that was dear there are also complaints about Falcon 4.0 six is bigger than a 3.5 Range rover V8 but costs less work that out and fuel today was $164.9 litre
bye for now John

GRNKPR · 09-07-2008, 04:31 PM

what next an annual fee on personalised rego plates ???????????

**DJM83** · 09-07-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GRNKPR

what next an annual fee on personalised rego plates ???????????

Its like that in NSW mate, been like that for afew years now.
In QLD its once off like VIC, i recently transfered my rego to QLD and i kept my personalised NSW plates the RTA can get stuffed

Walkinshaw · 10-07-2008, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GRNKPR

what next an annual fee on personalised rego plates ???????????

I pay $190p/a for mine

04redxr8 · 10-07-2008, 10:38 PM

Our Government suffers the same condition as the Petrol companies and other large businesses. GREED.

**Charliewool** · 09-07-2008, 04:47 PM

This whole "The sky is falling" carbon emissions crap is going to bring our "lucky country" to it's knees.. Honestly!
A few facts..
1/. Australia's emissions are 1.43% of the worlds total. (a virtual p iss in a bucket)
2/. Australia plans to introduce their Carbon emissions trading scheme in 2010 (which will sky-rocket food, fuel, energy costs, and literally bankrupt thousands!)
3/. USA plans to join the carbon trading scheme in... Get THIS.. 2050!!!
4/. China & India (probably the worst offenders) have said.. "Stuff you, Our efforts to fight climate change MUST NOT come at the expense of economic growth"!!
SO... Why should WE bother?... Why should we commit to something that's ONLY effect will be a huge kick in the guts to the way we live??

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**Falcon Coupe** · 09-07-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

This whole "The sky is falling" carbon emissions crap is going to bring our "lucky country" to it's knees.. Honestly!
A few facts..
1/. Australia's emissions are 1.43% of the worlds total. (a virtual p iss in a bucket)
2/. Australia plans to introduce their Carbon emissions trading scheme in 2010 (which will sky-rocket food, fuel, energy costs, and literally bankrupt thousands!)
3/. USA plans to join the carbon trading scheme in... Get THIS.. 2050!!!
4/. China & India (probably the worst offenders) have said.. "Stuff you, Our efforts to fight climate change MUST NOT come at the expense of economic growth"!!
SO... Why should WE bother?... Why should we commit to something that's ONLY effect will be a huge kick in the guts to the way we live??

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The emissions saved by Australia destroying it's economy over this will be the equivalent of what China and india use in 28 days.

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Not to mention our Altona refinery will fold due to paying carbon tax not paid by importing fuel from over seas companys, 350 jobs lost.

**Charliewool** · 09-07-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

The emissions saved by Australia destroying it's economy over this will be the equivalent of what China and india use in 28 days.

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Not to mention our Altona refinery will fold due to paying carbon tax not paid by importing fuel from over seas companys, 350 jobs lost.

YEP.. I read that too! (the 28 day bit)... Makes it seem pretty futile eh?

Also heard mention that Alcoa at Portland contribute 25% of Vics total emissions. If they closed it, Vic then easily meets the 2010 20% saving target Rudd is insisting on. Is it worth 600 Alcoa jobs though?... I mean who kicked when Ford or GMH or South Pacific tyres sacks 600, 800 OR 1000?

: It's just "progress", they tell us!! It's because "we can't compete with China", they ram down our throats!!... Damn right we CAN'T, and bring in this carbon tax crap and it puts us FURTHER behind the 8 ball!
Forget ANY chance of manufacturing or industry being viable....
Australia... The THIRD world's biggest warehouse for imported goods.

Rodp · 09-07-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

This whole "The sky is falling" carbon emissions crap is going to bring our "lucky country" to it's knees.. Honestly!

Apparently it was signed as am impeteus for others to follow. Clearly we have too high an opinion of ourselves, something I learned the hard way.

I fix large computer servers for a living and one day I was having a spectacular B(word) at my manager about the lack of parts a number of years ago. It was then explained to me that Australia makes up 0.4% of sales worldwide and we're lucky to get the parts we do.

So we're going to suffer due to Rudd wanting to be at the forefront of nothing. I doubt his signature on the dotted line is going to convince USA, China or India that they should follow suit. Start saving guys.

Whitey-AMG · 09-07-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Apparently it was signed as am impeteus for others to follow. Clearly we have too high an opinion of ourselves, something I learned the hard way.

I fix large computer servers for a living and one day I was having a spectacular B(word) at my manager about the lack of parts a number of years ago. It was then explained to me that Australia makes up 0.4% of sales worldwide and we're lucky to get the parts we do.

So we're going to suffer due to Rudd wanting to be at the forefront of nothing. I doubt his signature on the dotted line is going to convince USA, China or India that they should follow suit. Start saving guys.

That very well maybe............however on a per capita basis, Australia has one of the largest pollution/ carbon emission quantities in the world. If India and China were to produce the same quantity per person.......everyone on the planet would have to wear gas masks and we would probably have a permanent global pollution cloud that would block out the sun on every nation on earth......!!!!!

Interesting times ahead...........

Rodp · 09-07-2008, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

That very well maybe............however on a per capita basis, Australia has one of the largest pollution/ carbon emission quantities in the world. If India and China were to produce the same quantity per person.......everyone on the planet would have to wear gas masks and we would probably have a permanent global pollution cloud that would block out the sun on every nation on earth......!!!!!

Interesting times ahead...........

Granted, but a large swathe of our population don't live in mud huts with no electricity.

We're barely a blip on the radar, our contribution in the whole scheme of things is meaningless but the pain will be very real for those already on the edge with mortgages rising, petrol prices rising and families to support.

Whitey-AMG · 09-07-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

Granted, but a large swathe of our population don't live in mud huts with no electricity.

Exactly my point........

These people are becoming more and more affluent as oil is bringing a relatively cheap energy source to countries like India and China. They are industrialising faster than anyone thought possible........they have tasted the good life that you and I have been taking for granted for all of our lives.........they will now no longer tolerate the mud huts and the 3rd world living conditions which means we now have a relative population exceeding 2 billion that is for the 1st time seriously competing with us and the USA and Europe for the worlds most readily available energy source.............OIL

As these countries are prepared to pay more and more to ensure they keep their momentum going, we will all suffer the intolerable prices that are heading our way............the carbon emission tax is an effort to regulate our useage to ensure we all have enough clean air to breathe when these countries really start to put the hammer down on their push to expand their industries.

The irony is that we have been at the forefront of capitalism and industrialisation..............now that we have taught our neighbours how to do it.............we want to stop them because the very thing we tried to culture will be the very thing that will threaten our very existence as a society as we know it today........

**Charliewool** · 09-07-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

That very well maybe............however on a per capita basis, Australia has one of the largest pollution/ carbon emission quantities in the world. If India and China were to produce the same quantity per person.......everyone on the planet would have to wear gas masks and we would probably have a permanent global pollution cloud that would block out the sun on every nation on earth......!!!!!

Interesting times ahead...........

I don't CARE about "per capita"... Read what I said!... Australia's emissions are 1.43% of the World's total!! Our entire carbon emissions would have less effect than India farting after a hot curry!
Your Australian high emission "per capita" is basically because we are (at present!) a modern civilised, independant, employed, westernised, motorised, heated, cooled, well fed, nicely clothed, comfortable population!
The reason China & India don't produce this high "per capita" IS because (At THIS stage) 90% of their population are hoofing it or riding bloody bikes!
Well guys... Get the (imported) Malvern Star's tyres pumped up, cos WE'RE next!

JG66ME · 09-07-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

I don't CARE about "per capita"... Read what I said!... Australia's emissions are 1.43% of the World's total!! Our entire carbon emissions would have less effect than India farting after a hot curry!
Your Australian high emission "per capita" is basically because we are (at present!) a modern civilised, independant, employed, westernised, motorised, heated, cooled, well fed, nicely clothed, comfortable population!
The reason China & India don't produce this high "per capita" IS because (At THIS stage) 90% of their population are hoofing it or riding bloody bikes!
Well guys... Get the (imported) Malvern Star's tyres pumped up, cos WE'RE next!

Mate, what you say is so true but christ, I busted a gut laughing at how you put it.

I shuldnt laugh, so sorry.

09-07-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ESP

That very well maybe............however on a per capita basis, Australia has one of the largest pollution/ carbon emission quantities in the world. If India and China were to produce the same quantity per person.......everyone on the planet would have to wear gas masks and we would probably have a permanent global pollution cloud that would block out the sun on every nation on earth......!!!!!

Interesting times ahead...........

Have you ever been to India/China? If you need bread/milk here, you have to drive generally at least 5mins to get to a supermarket. I would say most Aussies travel about 20,000km PA in their cars because it's a large land mass with a small population.

Manhattan, one of the dirtiest, most populated and polluted parts of the USA has one of the lowest per capita energy and carbon consumption. It's hardly suprising.

These facts can be used to explain anything. Kyoto was a joke, they set these targets which many of the European nations exceed by more than 10 times. Australia would obliterate much of the world if it were scored by Kyoto standards, why the hell would anyone waste time signing a useless piece of junk.

This whole thing's built up to be much bigger than it really is.

Whitey-AMG · 09-07-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Shounak

Have you ever been to India/China? If you need bread/milk here, you have to drive generally at least 5mins to get to a supermarket. I would say most Aussies travel about 20,000km PA in their cars because it's a large land mass with a small population.

No...........but we have an office in China and I speak with our people there on a daily basis......... the attitudes to how they live their lives is changing faster than most people change their television channels.

Its also sad cultural behaviour that most of us would rather drive 2 minutes to the Milk Bar than walk 10 minutes to get there !!!!!!..but that's how it is.........for now.

As the Chinese and Indian populations expand due to their increased reliance on cars , they too will be driving to get to the corner store in the none too distant future.........cars are becoming more and more accesible to the average Chinese and Indian families.......their habits are changing and their expectations are also changing.........they want to enjoy the things that we take for granted..........Yes we travel on average of 20,000 Klm per annum, but how much of that is for leisure and how much for absolute necessity ????

EDIT : I don't necessarily agree with the carbon TAX........or KYOTO..........far from it............Time would be much better spent if our societal intelligencia were given the time and funds.......carte blanche..........to investigate, test, and make feasible a new renewable energy resource...........NOW.......whether it be new viral battery technologies............new solar technologies..........hydrogen.........methane derivative......whatever.........

Bearman · 10-07-2008, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by charliewool

China & India (probably the worst offenders) have said.. "Stuff you, Our efforts to fight climate change MUST NOT come at the expense of economic growth"!!

Well surprise surprise!! How could anyone not see that one comming!! Considering our scale on a global basis it will be an excercise in futility. We (as in Rudd) says we should be good global citizens and lead by example. All that will achieve is to bankrupt us all and make us even more vunerable for exploitation by other nations.

Look what happened in the '80's with global trade. The Hawke government took us down the path of tariff cuts and a so called "level playing field". We've been *** raped ever since. The same will happen with carbon trading etc.

The USA have always dictated terms and as for China and India well screw them!! Bomb them back to the stone age!!