60 minutes tonight on young drivers.

[Daymoe]

Anyways, I think tonight there is going to be a lot of poo hung on young drivers, my mate is featuring in this one when school asked him to do a defensive driving thing for 60 minutes down at Calder, anyways they had him in a Toyota Camry and he was doing stupid stuff like ripping up the handbrake while driving and hitting the cones and being a in general, I have a feeling its going to be a "Young drivers cant handle powerful cars" rapeage on P platers.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

they had him in a Toyota Camry and he was doing stupid stuff like ripping up the handbrake while driving and hitting the cones and being a in general

well, if he was doing thats stuff without being asked to, it kind of proves the point doesnt it?

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by b0son

well, if he was doing thats stuff without being asked to, it kind of proves the point doesnt it?

Thats like saying all priests are paedophiles and all men beat their wives, you can't tar everyone with the one brush.

[irlewy86]

Originally Posted by b0son

well, if he was doing thats stuff without being asked to, it kind of proves the point doesnt it?

Thats generally what you do at a closed circuit during defensive driver training.

At the VW drive day we had the 10m crafter up on three wheels out on the skid pan. I'm a hoon and the VW people had to encourage me to drive harder.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by b0son

well, if he was doing thats stuff without being asked to, it kind of proves the point doesnt it?

Guess I'm allowed to say every old person goes half the speed limit.

[bangm001]

Starting to get old this stuff. P Platers IMO already pay pretty high insurance premiums for their rubbish, inexperienced driving. It has little to do with the cars i believe. I learnt to drive in Dads old SS V8s and I learnt to respect the extra power in these cars. Pretty much any car you can gt into trouble with doing stupidities..

[Daymoe]

I'm talking to my mate now and he said the thing they showed in the commercial was where he had to dodge the dummy in the middle of the road, he done it the first time then the second time, he told the instructor that he was going to hit it, anyway he sped up over 40, and purposely hit it, thats the one they are showing....

60 minutes and the like are propaganda machines.

[escapin]

why would he want to hit it.
i mean he knew cameras were there and all so why not be "good"

[Addz08]

Here we go again, these storys are gettin real old.....

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by Addz08

Here we go again, these storys are gettin real old.....

Well if you don't like them, don't read them. Simple, control your right mouse button.

[Addz08]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

Well if you don't like them, don't read them. Simple, control your right mouse button.

Was talking about all the news stories on tv, wasn,t refering to your post, take a chill pill.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

Well if you don't like them, don't read them. Simple, control your right mouse button.

Couldn't the same advice apply to you watching 60 Minutes?

[fordAU]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

I have a feeling its going to be a "Young drivers cant handle powerful cars" rapeage on P platers.

They are right, young drivers can't handle powerful cars, that said a lot of older drivers can't either but driving like all skills takes practice and plenty of it.

I have no issues with limitations on new drivers, old or not so old, I am yet to see a convincing argument re allowing new drivers (L or P platers) to be behind the wheel of lets say a F6, GT, etc etc.

[Daymoe]

Originally Posted by fordAU

They are right, young drivers can't handle powerful cars, that said a lot of older drivers can't either but driving like all skills takes practice and plenty of it.

I have no issues with limitations on new drivers, old or not so old, I am yet to see a convincing argument re allowing new drivers (L or P platers) to be behind the wheel of lets say a F6, GT, etc etc.

Exactly, just because some older people can't either, why don't we have the restrictions up untill you turn 50?

[fordAU]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

Exactly, just because some older people can't either, why don't we have the restrictions up untill you turn 50?

Thats fair comment, I guess the argument is it takes experience and maturity (read self control). We all know that does not apply to everyone, new or old drivers.

The only other alternative is Government legislation re performance cars, no one wants to see blanket bans so limitations on new drivers is reasonable, does not make for a better drivers though.

[mowog]

Originally Posted by Daymoe

Exactly, just because some older people can't either, why don't we have the restrictions up untill you turn 50?

So you think 50 is old? Interesting...

[braddyxe51]

After a fatel crash here in Perth a few months ago involving a 1.8L 4pot non turbo, gov had to rethink about restriction on P platers. Cos it can happen in any car not just high powered. They said that there is not enough evidents that high powered car are the proplem.
Its only the high powered car accidents that the show on the news.
There is a thread somewhere on some forum, by memory only 2% of fatel crashes are caused by high powered P platers.

Back on topic. Personaly I may watch it but still wont change my mind that there should not be restrictions for P platers. Just need to be better training. Sure its may have improved in the ten plus years since I got mine but there is always room for more.

[Breezed]

Originally Posted by braddyxe51

After a fatel crash here in Perth a few months ago involving a 1.8L 4pot non turbo, gov had to rethink about restriction on P platers. Cos it can happen in any car not just high powered. They said that there is not enough evidents that high powered car are the proplem.
Its only the high powered car accidents that the show on the news.
There is a thread somewhere on some forum, by memory only 2% of fatel crashes are caused by high powered P platers.

Back on topic. Personaly I may watch it but still wont change my mind that there should not be restrictions for P platers. Just need to be better training. Sure its may have improved in the ten plus years since I got mine but there is always room for more.

the reason that the high power car cashers are on the news reports all the time is because its the hi powered p platers and hoons that drag racing and crash. u dont see kia reo and a prius on the news do ya its always some subaru

[braddyxe51]

Old people are just as bad as young people. poping multipal pills all day driving when they cant even see street signs or see what colored light is up at intersection and bad reflexes
How many old people do you here about crashing throw shop windows and saying I pushed the wrong pedal. How hard do these people push the wrong pedal, what mash it to the floor.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by braddyxe51

Old people are just as bad as young people.

So how do you explain the statistics that show those aged 18-25 are more than twice as likely to be invloved in a fatal accident than any other age group?
This segment will be interesting... im predicting much gnashing of teeth, condemnation of the episode and complete denial here later on...

[b0son]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

So how do you explain the statistics that show those aged 18-25 are more than twice as likely to be invloved in a fatal accident than any other age group?

To be fair, per km travelled, teens and elderly are comparable in crash rates. The big difference is that teens are more likely to have a single vehicle crash whereas the elderly are more likely to involve others.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

So how do you explain the statistics that show those aged 18-25 are more than twice as likely to be invloved in a fatal accident than any other age group?
This segment will be interesting... im predicting much gnashing of teeth, condemnation of the episode and complete denial here later on...

young drivers

There were 81 people aged 18-25 who died on Victorian roads in 2007. This is 17 more fatalities than in 2006.

Forty-eight of these young people killed on the roads were drivers. They make up 28 per cent of the total number of drivers killed on Victoria’s roads, but 18-25 year olds only represent 13 per cent of licensed drivers.

Hardly a "large" amount of young folks who are killed on the roads, compared to other ages. So that means 72% of people who make the road toll in Victoria are of a mature age, yet all the focus is on young people. There really needs to be a better approach to cutting the road toll, as the current policies in all states don't really work. The toll is rising, but no real hard work is being done about it.

[AUIIForte]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Hardly a "large" amount of young folks who are killed on the roads, compared to other ages. So that means 72% of people who make the road toll in Victoria are of a mature age, yet all the focus is on young people. There really needs to be a better approach to cutting the road toll, as the current policies in all states don't really work. The toll is rising, but no real hard work is being done about it.

Too true, and hopefully it won't take too long for the sheeple to catch up!

[Swordsman88]

I didn't have too much problem with the story really, though it made some spurious points. Like all P platers should be in modern cars, yeah fair enough but very impractical really.

As many on here have noted, the problem is attitude. I would say young drivers have such high crash rates because of attitude, lack of skills in controlling a car, experience in the roads RE traffic and judgement.

Now increasing the driving age might help the first one, from a purely theoretical 'brain development' standpoint but the last two won't do jack unless you are trained. Defensive driving combined with lessons on car control (so you can realise what it means to be truly out of control and how easilly it can happen) are what helps this, as well as sage advice by more experienced drivers.

Finally, if it age that is such a factor why is it you can fly an aircraft solo at the age of 16 in australia. I know several people that went solo by age 18 in light aircraft, and have seen these people deal with problems in the air calmy and safely. You may not realise that when you take a flight with qantas the first officer on your flight (controlling the aircraft) might be as young as 21!!! Its about maturity and skills, combined with attitude. I know 25 year old drivers i trust less than my teen sister on P plates!!!

[braddyxe51]

One more rant
I was the workshop the other week and old man gat out of his car he could berely walk. I mean each step was each foot was still next to each other when he walked.
What do you think would happen if a car was pull out in front of him, by the time he moves his foot BANG.
Sure he may drive half the speed of most people but still.

[uranium_death]

Sensationalism at its best.

Perhaps I should release a whirlwind story about pointless current affairs shows, and how they distort data to release twisted information.

Ooops, sorry. Agendas and all that...

Cuba time...

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

Sensationalism at its best.

Perhaps I should release a whirlwind story about pointless current affairs shows, and how they distort data to release twisted information.

It’s already been done. It was called Frontline.

[braddyxe51]

Maybe could be that lot more younger on road than older (when I say older I mean 60+years old)
They may not always be in fatel crashes but in accidents that should not happen (driving trough shop windows from a stand still position)

Is the guy on tv tonight in one of the training car with the big training wheels that are there to spin out on purpose. I have had to do a defencive driver training course for work.

Anyone else done one?

[seduced_xr]

im sick of seeing the crap thats put on p platers. as an upcoming p plater im not looking foward to half the crap im going to have thrown at me. and i know because i have a falcon im going to be thrown in the same basket with every other hoon

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by seduced_xr

im sick of seeing the crap thats put on p platers. as an upcoming p plater im not looking foward to half the crap im going to have thrown at me. and i know because i have a falcon im going to be thrown in the same basket with every other hoon

Expect to get it. Unfortunately to P plates mixed with the morons that do act like idiots get stuck in people's head. Then coupled with the media P Plater = Bad.

Mind you the amount of morons out there with no plates is quite large. But you see they have learned to drive like with less crashes.