Anyone tried putting an LS engine in AU?

[redauxr8]

Has anyone ever considered or tried putting an LS motor in an AU?

I know its blasphemy to most people, but it wouldn't be to bad an idea....

Any thoughts?

[Halfmo Rocks]

that's my kind of hybrid...chevy motor in a ford.

[redauxr8]

yeh i know haha.... i mean i love my Windsors, but its frustating having a block that can only handle 450-500hp stock when u have big plans and a smaller budget..... also, it gets to me that a head and cam package will bring a VX SS to 300+kws (with exhaust,cai,tune) and the same on mine will barely hit the 300kw mark.....

My mates VX SS has all the bolt ons and a bigger cam, and it absolutely flies.... My AU XR8 has all the bolt ons and a bigger cam and goes good, but no way near as good as the VX..... Still the reason i bought my AU XR is cos i couldnt bring myself to buy a holden so no way am i gonna sell my beast to get one, but then the subject of strokering and crate motors came up.... I saw an LS2 and thought : what if!

[BIGJB]

Originally Posted by redauxr8

Still the reason i bought my AU XR is cos i couldnt bring myself to buy a holden so no way am i gonna sell my beast to get one, but then the subject of strokering and crate motors came up.... I saw an LS2 and thought : what if!

Yeah but if ya put a GM heart in it, its no longer really a Ford the way I see it.

[T3man]

Originally Posted by redauxr8

yeh i know haha.... i mean i love my Windsors, but its frustating having a block that can only handle 450-500hp stock when u have big plans and a smaller budget..... also, it gets to me that a head and cam package will bring a VX SS to 300+kws (with exhaust,cai,tune) and the same on mine will barely hit the 300kw mark.....

My mates VX SS has all the bolt ons and a bigger cam, and it absolutely flies.... My AU XR8 has all the bolt ons and a bigger cam and goes good, but no way near as good as the VX..... Still the reason i bought my AU XR is cos i couldnt bring myself to buy a holden so no way am i gonna sell my beast to get one, but then the subject of strokering and crate motors came up.... I saw an LS2 and thought : what if!

"Only 500HP stock"? So what have you done to get that?

"Big plans and a smaller budget"? Sorry, but you have to get real. You don't get anything for nothing.

"Strokering and crate motors"? Funny word "strokering" ... you actually sound a bit like a Holden bogan and maybe you are one person who could actually get away with a crate LS engine in your XR8. At least your Holden mates will still talk to you.

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by T3man

"Only 500HP stock"? So what have you done to get that?

"Big plans and a smaller budget"? Sorry, but you have to get real. You don't get anything for nothing.

"Strokering and crate motors"? Funny word "strokering" ... you actually sound a bit like a Holden bogan and maybe you are one person who could actually get away with a crate LS engine in your XR8. At least your Holden mates will still talk to you.

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

WHOA! :togo:

1. the 500hp comment.. I have been told that the stock 5.0 block in my xr8 will only handle 500hp before it starts to crack/split... I dont have 500hp lol

Dont know why i deserved to be called a bogan.. seriously...

I was looking at crate motors in general, not just LS motors...

I plan on giving my engine alot of sh$^ and my current engine is not up to the task, it was a thrash mobile b4 i got it... So i was thinking about getting an alrady built engine...

Settle down mate

[burnz]

Originally Posted by T3man

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

this post makes no sense.
you dont know the life span of an LS motor.

saving 250kg will aid in acceleration and change of direction.

crash test: its still an AU the donk wont change a thing.

[RG]

Originally Posted by T3man

"Only 500HP stock"? So what have you done to get that?

"Big plans and a smaller budget"? Sorry, but you have to get real. You don't get anything for nothing.

"Strokering and crate motors"? Funny word "strokering" ... you actually sound a bit like a Holden bogan and maybe you are one person who could actually get away with a crate LS engine in your XR8. At least your Holden mates will still talk to you.

Now seriously ... the crate motors are not that good. They have nowhere near the longevity or reliability of the little Windsor. Your 5.0 litre, built up properly, will put out a reliable 300kW all day every day and will continue to do it for at least 500,000 km years if you look after it properly. The LS engine WILL NOT. And if you want more you can get easy reliable 350kW with a stroker kit - all it takes is about 20 big ones.

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter. Start throwing some corners and braking into the mix and the XR8 will drive away from the LX regardless of the weight issue. Point to point on aussie roads I know which I'd rather be driving.

And don't let me start on the "crash test" - an LX will be turned to sardine can standard recyclable material with even a fairly minor shunt. I have been unfortunate enough to have been in two quite serious collisions in AUs and I know where I'd rather be sitting in a worse case event.

This man knows his stuff.

If you want a nose heavy pig that is only good for straight lines go a 5.4. If you have deep pockets and are 3/4 crazy go a 4.6 like CAT600. If you want to go a tries and tested route and have a bit of dosh and know someone who is known to be able to build a Windsor then go the 347.

If you want something a little different then may I suggest a low comp blown 331 stroker.

For the costs and hassle involved in getting an LS engine into the AU I personally would go the blown 331.

On another note some of the posts in here that are basically just waste of bandwidth rubbish disappoint me. Some here really need to have a little think and grow up. Abusing a bloke just because he has a different idea to the norm is not what car modding is about IMO. If it weren't for the guys that ask the questions and try something different we'd all be driving white Camry's and nothing would ever change.

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by RG

If it weren't for the guys that ask the questions and try something different we'd all be driving white Camry's and nothing would ever change.

As i posted in my post so very true

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by T3man

Yes, the LX might seem to "fly" compared to your XR8 but you must realise that it only does it in a straight line and only because it is about 250kg lighter.

I dont know about that 250kg comment. I dont think the VT onwards SS weighed 1500kg. It all depends on what LS engine your talking about too. The original 220-225 LS1s are on par with the old 220 windsor.


Back to the OP. If your a Ford man, dont put an LS engine in there. You would never hear the end of it.
Some options -
Aftermarket block
Sourcing a 351 windsor (stronger) from the states
Boss conversion. Or 4.6.

[frd906]

didnt some one start this post ages ago in here, stop posting about holden engines, post in the commodore sites not in ford site

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by frd906

didnt some one start this post ages ago in here, stop posting about holden engines, post in the commodore sites not in ford site

Fella settle it, Im a Ford man, always have been, I'm just aknowledging that they have good engines... There are build threads of non-fords on this website so i dont see why i couldnt start a thread on an "IDEA" about putting a chev motor in "MY" falcon.... Its just a thought, if i posted in commodores id probably get more silly posts like ures...

[KR1STO]

relax... everybody's entitled to ask a question...

for the money the conversion would cost, you'd be better off building a nice stroker and blowing the LS engined cars away...

[frd906]

you would have more trouble gettin it registerd, then it has to meet ford emmision laws

why dont you build a 347 stroker, the going with the bommbadore engine

[au11futura]

you can do it but why bother with cheaply made GM products when you can boost an ford I6 and get more power and torque.


you want a holden buy a holden.

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by au11futura

you can do it but why bother with cheaply made GM products when you can boost an ford I6 and get more power and torque.


you want a holden buy a holden.

I dont want a Holden like a stated earlier. Unfortunately I have a dislking to I6s as all my mates who own xr6ts are complete **** show offs Also id rather listen to my V8 at idle then a 6t a full noise...

As for the 347 comment, i have been told by numerous people on these very forums, not to stroker my motor unless i have a really high budget (good cash flow) as most of them get problems that occur later on which can be a pain....

Im probably not going to put an LS engine in, but was just seeing what people had said about it.. Sorry for any offense

[frd906]

my silly posts your the one posting a silly post about putting a commy engine into a ford,

anyways i will sit back and let the other comment

[au11futura]

i guess its a little anoying mate when you see people doing conversions like this and you will get alot of neg response.

but in your case i know it was a thought, as you said, but expect retaliation.

as advise i say look around for a ford product there are many way to get more than enough power out of a ford product, now days there are bolt on bits and interchangeble bits for any car than you can poke a stick at, as a mate was telling me last night hes got a vy and hes building it up and every time he gets quotes there always more expensive than what it would cost for a ford product.

second youll find that you would run into heaps of probs with fitment and alignment plus you'd need to custom make alot of parts.

[Bucknaked]

People are entitled to post what they like on any subject. I suggest if you don't like it, then don't read it

[frd906]

lolol settle down lollol just stirring it up,

why not just build a 347 stroker and be happy??

[au11futura]

Originally Posted by frd906

lolol settle down lollol just stirring it up,

why not just build a 347 stroker and be happy??

you sh#t stirer you!! lol

[au11futura]

no offense taken but it would be costly to execute this task, personaly it is thinking outside the box mate, we need more people comming up with new ideas.

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by au11futura

no offense taken but it would be costly to execute this task, personaly it is thinking outside the box mate, we need more people comming up with new ideas.

Yeh I definetly wanna try something different... Maybe an EVO or WRX engine : JOKES!

I have seen a centrifugal charger feeding into a positive displacement supercharger setup on an LS1.. Has anyone tried this with a ford yet? I was thinking about twin turbo, but alas someone has beaten me to it! And like his thread was titled, my block would go BOOM! So i think my first "proper" mod should be an aftermarket alloy block....

[au11futura]

Originally Posted by redauxr8

Yeh I definetly wanna try something different... Maybe an EVO or WRX engine : JOKES!

I have seen a centrifugal charger feeding into a positive displacement supercharger setup on an LS1.. Has anyone tried this with a ford yet? I was thinking about twin turbo, but alas someone has beaten me to it! And like his thread was titled, my block would go BOOM! So i think my first "proper" mod should be an aftermarket alloy block....

ok i think your realy stiring now but hey ill go along with it, how about a quad turbo toyota lexus v8 in the AU thats different.

[JC]

Originally Posted by redauxr8

Yeh I definetly wanna try something different... Maybe an EVO or WRX engine : JOKES!

I have seen a centrifugal charger feeding into a positive displacement supercharger setup on an LS1.. Has anyone tried this with a ford yet? I was thinking about twin turbo, but alas someone has beaten me to it! And like his thread was titled, my block would go BOOM! So i think my first "proper" mod should be an aftermarket alloy block....

There's no reason it wouldn't fit, and bang for buck, might just be the way to go. Not sure how the ford ECU would react to it, but there is so much aftermarket software available for LS1s it's not funny (much wider selection than Ford software options). You'd have to get a custom bellhousing for the transmission/manual box (I wouldn't use a holden one, unless you got the 6M).

I reckon this would be doable for between $5k and $8k - a lot cheaper than a stroker or a good I6T setup.

Personally, I say go for it, and document it, as it may be something others will then use. An engine is an engine - the soul will still be ford though.

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by JC

There's no reason it wouldn't fit, and bang for buck, might just be the way to go. Not sure how the ford ECU would react to it, but there is so much aftermarket software available for LS1s it's not funny (much wider selection than Ford software options). You'd have to get a custom bellhousing for the transmission/manual box (I wouldn't use a holden one, unless you got the 6M).

I reckon this would be doable for between $5k and $8k - a lot cheaper than a stroker or a good I6T setup.

Personally, I say go for it, and document it, as it may be something others will then use. An engine is an engine - the soul will still be ford though.

Are all the LS engines the same size? ls1,ls2etc

[burnz]

Originally Posted by redauxr8

Are all the LS engines the same size? ls1,ls2etc

yes they are

[au11futura]

i thought of putting a crossflow in my sigma!

[Iggypoppin']

Twin turbo/kenne belle blower 5ltr Windsor motor

[redauxr8]

Originally Posted by 76txcoupe

Twin turbo/kenne belle blower 5ltr Windsor motor

: ...... Wooo damn that would be great.... Pain in the cheeks to Tune though haha.... Hmmmm Anyone know where i can get a rebuild kit suitable for forced induction for a 5litre?