Ford readies diesel as turbo dies of thirst

[holland_ford]

Ford readies diesel as turbo dies of thirst Territory Turbo Ghia model has been axed as a result of the stricter vehicle emissions regulations.

FORD has quietly killed off the turbocharged version of its Australian-made Territory soft-roader.

The local car maker confirmed to Drive that the Territory Turbo Ghia model (pictured) has been axed as a result of the stricter vehicle emissions regulations that came into effect on July 1.

The Turbo variant joined the Territory range in 2006, two years after the model first launched, surprising an industry that was expecting a more fuel-efficient, diesel version.

Ford Australia updated the turbocharged version of its locally built 4.0-litre in-line six-cylinder for the 2008 FG Falcon to ensure it complied with the new Euro IV emissions laws, though admits sales didn't justify modifying the engine for the Territory.

"We did the engineering work for the Falcon sedan [XR6 Turbo], obviously, to meet Euro IV, but we didn't see enough of a market to do the work for the Territory version," says company spokeswoman Sinead McAlary.

"It was always a niche vehicle and [sales] in the last couple of years had declined. So it was even more niche as people became more concerned about the cost of fuel."

The Turbo's fuel consumption figure of 14.2 litres per 100km was even higher than the company's V8-powered XR8 sedan.

Ford Australia is belatedly developing a diesel engine that will be installed in the Territory next year as a more economical alternative to the sole-surviving normally aspirated six-cylinder.

The car maker will be hoping an oil-burning version will help the mid-sized soft-roader return to its sales heyday of 2004 and 2005.

A diesel Territory is believed to have been on Ford Australia's drawing board soon after the vehicle's 2004 launch, but it was ditched in favour of developing the turbo model.

It's a decision that has cost Ford sales as sales of home-grown six-cylinder vehicles have dwindled as buyers flocked towards smaller, more fuel efficient cars.

Holden's imported Captiva has regularly outsold its Ford rival, mostly as a result of a diesel option. About half of Captivas sold are diesel-powered.

Diesel variants of the segment-leading Toyota LandCruiser Prado make up about 80 per cent of sales

[Joe5619]

It is intersting to read 50% of Captiva & a huge 80% of Prados are diesel... It is amazing the petrol only territ is still keeping them insight on sales... New model should sell well I think!!

[Nikked]

Just what the terry needs :-)

[Luke Plaizier]

Well, this continues the debate for Diesel Falcon too.

The reason for getting a diesel is if you have a large vehicle and thus get hit by high fuel costs. Hmm.

If such a percentage of the vehicles mentioned in the article are bought as diesels, what about non 4WD cars? What percentage of i30's are Diesels? Or Jaguars? What of the other Euro sedans that are the same size roughly as the Falcon - AUDI, BMW, MERC - what percentage of those large sedans are bought as diesels?

Maybe Ford have done the research, and the answer is 'not that many'? Ford's LiLPG and I4T approach seems to be divergent from other marques going with Diesel. Then again Australia seems somewhat unique with it's low-priced low-tax plentiful LPG supply. I sure hope Ford have got it right....


Lukeyson

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Well, this continues the debate for Diesel Falcon too.

The reason for getting a diesel is if you have a large vehicle and thus get hit by high fuel costs. Hmm.

If such a percentage of the vehicles mentioned in the article are bought as diesels, what about non 4WD cars? What percentage of i30's are Diesels? Or Jaguars? What of the other Euro sedans that are the same size roughly as the Falcon - AUDI, BMW, MERC - what percentage of those large sedans are bought as diesels?

Maybe Ford have done the research, and the answer is 'not that many'? Ford's LiLPG and I4T approach seems to be divergent from other marques going with Diesel. Then again Australia seems somewhat unique with it's low-priced low-tax plentiful LPG supply. I sure hope Ford have got it right....


Lukeyson

Ford will need to make LiLPG fashionable. Which is a tough ask as no-one else is talking it up, but plenty are talking about diesel. Even if they have the superior product, they will be swimming against the tide. Particularly so, because they will be launching a diesel themselves in the Territory and continuing to spruik the Eco-netic Fiesta.

IMO Ford should offer diesel in ALL their offerings as well as LiLPG in Territory and Falcon.

[dannyhilton]

It's great to see that even without a diesel, the Territory has most of the time achieved sales in access of 1000+ units a month. While I'm sure some of those petrol sales will move to diesel, I'm hoping Ford can get the Territory back into 1500 units a month, permitting the factory can accept this of course.

[phillyc]

Originally Posted by dannyhilton

It's great to see that even without a diesel, the Territory has most of the time achieved sales in access of 1000+ units a month. While I'm sure some of those petrol sales will move to diesel, I'm hoping Ford can get the Territory back into 1500 units a month, permitting the factory can accept this of course.

I believe that Territory with new looks (interior and exterior) and TDV6 can breach 2,000 sales a month once more.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by phillyc

I believe that Territory with new looks (interior and exterior) and TDV6 can breach 2,000 sales a month once more.

It's not just the diesel that will do it, a ZF for the popular RWD Territory would go over big time
and most likely reduce fuel consumption from 11.6 l/100 klm down to 10.9 l/100 klm.
I wonder whether Ford would have the guts to try the I-4 Ecoboost in the RWD Territory.

and yes, Diesel is the crowning glory for Territory and should boost sales by 800 or so units a month.

[chevypower]

well the EcoBoost V6 gets 22mpg in the Flex AWD. One would expect similar fuel econ in the Territory with the same engine. That's 10.7L/100. Not as good as diesel fuel econ, but not bad considering the performance you get.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

well the EcoBoost V6 gets 22mpg in the Flex AWD. One would expect similar fuel econ in the Territory with the same engine. That's 10.7L/100. Not as good as diesel fuel econ, but not bad considering the performance you get.

There was only something like 200 Territory Ghia Turbo sales this year,
considering the $70,000 price tag, it's no wonder buyers didn't want it.

The previous low series Territory Turbo was dropped in 2009,
seems people are more interested in economical versions.

Diesel Territory and ZF in RWD I-6 can't come quick enough.

[XWGT]

Originally Posted by jpd80

It's not just the diesel that will do it, a ZF for the popular RWD Territory would go over big time
and most likely reduce fuel consumption from 11.6 l/100 klm down to 10.9 l/100 klm.
.

Man it would want to be better than that. My new Prado Turbo Diesel returns around 8.1 l / 100 COMBINED and down as low at 7.1 on open roads cruising. And thats full time 4wd! The new Territory would at least want to match that with a 6 speed auto or their wasting their time.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Man it would want to be better than that. My new Prado Turbo Diesel returns around 8.1 l / 100 COMBINED and down as low at 7.1 on open roads cruising. And thats full time 4wd! The new Territory would at least want to match that with a 6 speed auto or their wasting their time.

His talking about the petrol engine with those figures

[jamesson1980]

Turbo diesel Territory?

[naddis01]

I can't say I have had trouble using the high flow pumps in our Mazda 6 and the nozzle does not go into the throat of the filler at all. You just need to be careful.

[FNQracing]

Gee, that Territory is in major need of a face lift. It looks so gawd dammed old. It's even getting its **** kicked in the sales race by crappy Korean tin cans with Holden badges.

The spy shots I've seen have the front end disguised. Looks like they'll only give it a bit of a nose job instead of the body transplant it so desperately needs.

[Luke Plaizier]

Notice how the Drivel article subject line has changed?

http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...716-10d7l.html

The 'readies diesel' bit probably sounded too positive. They needed a more cutting expose on how Ford is dying by culling models, and being overtaken by Hyundai.......



Lukeyson

[JPFS1]

XWGT... refer to your first post...

[vztrt]

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257765002AEC48

V8 doesn’t go with the Territory

Ford will not replace discontinued Territory Turbo with a supercharged V8 next year

19 July 2010

By MARTON PETTENDY

FORD’S discontinued Territory Turbo will not be replaced by a performance-leading supercharged V8 model when Australia’s homegrown SUV is upgraded early next year.

Before it was axed as a result of tighter new Euro 4 emissions regulations that came into force on July 1, the Turbo Ghia topped the Territory range at $66,820.

Now, however, the turbocharged crossover wagon, which joined the Territory line-up two years after its 2004 launch in 2006, has met the same fate as FPV’s slow-selling version, the short-lived F6X.

Effectively representing a reversal of the scenario in which Ford developed a turbo-petrol variant of the Territory instead of a turbo-diesel, Ford has now confirmed there will be no replacement for the range-topping Territory Turbo when the facelifted model is released next year.

Instead, as it has already confirmed, Ford Australia will fit a European-sourced 2.7-litre turbo-diesel V6 from Land Rover’s Discovery in the upgraded 2011 Territory, which will also receive major interior and exterior revisions for the first time next year.

Ford has also announced that an all-new ‘Coyote’ V8 will represent a belated replacement for the discontinued 5.4-litre Boss V8 that powered XR8 and FPV models.

Ford2011 Territory center imageAs we’ve reported, GoAuto has learned the new supercharged 5.0-litre V8, which is yet to emerge in Australia, will be available in three states of tune: an entry-level version delivering 315kW in the upcoming 2010 XR8, a 335kW version for FPV and, perhaps, a circa-400kW variation for next year’s return of the hotly anticipated GT-HO nameplate.

However, Ford has now confirmed its locally developed blown V8 will not grace the Territory engine bay, leaving the V6 diesel to fly the SUV’s performance flag.

“The addition of the turbo-diesel engine for Territory next year will complement the current I6,” said Ford spokeswoman Sinead McAlary. “We have no current plans for any other powertrain.

“Our engineering resources are concentrating on delivering the diesel engine for Territory next year, which we think will attract more customers to the Territory brand.”

While the heavier Territory diesel may not match the 2145kg Territory Turbo’s seven-second 0-100km/h acceleration, it is sure to better its average (premium unleaded) fuel consumption of 14.2L/100km.

The outgoing Territory Turbo offered 245kW/480Nm – well up on the standard Territory’s 4.0-litre inline petrol six, which delivers 190kW/383Nm and returns as little as 11.6L/100km in rear-drive guise.

Details of the 2011 Territory diesel are yet to be announced, but in the 2010 Discovery 4 TDV6 S, the same engine produces 140kW and 440Nm of torque, returns 10.2L/100km and propels the 2486kg Disco to 100km/h in 12.7 seconds.

Of course, the Discovery’s newer 3.0-litre twin-turbo diesel engine offers even more performance at 180kW/600Nm – enough to accelerate the 2583kg Discovery TDV6 SE and HSE to 100km/h in 9.6 seconds while being able to return 9.3L/100km.

The belated availability of diesel power is expected to provide the Territory, which received a mild makeover in February, with a significant shot in the arm in terms of sales.

So far this year Ford’s once-dominant medium SUV has been comprehensively outsold by Holden’s Captiva and Toyota’s top-selling Prado. About half of all Captivas sold are diesels, while oil-burning engines power up to 80 per cent of Prado sales.

Next year’s release of the upgraded Territory and Territory diesel, plus 2.0-litre four-cylinder EcoBoost turbo-petrol and next-generation liquid-injection LPG engines for the Falcon, will be bookended by better-value, Thailand-sourced Fiesta and Focus models later this year and in 2012 respectively.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by vztrt

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...257765002AEC48

V8 doesn’t go with the Territory

That is a shame, mainly because one was on my shopping list for early next year.

I'll have to start holding my breath for a G8E again.

[holland_ford]

Diesel charts new territory STEPHEN OTTLEY.
July 16, 2010


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The new Ford Territory.

This is the first look at the new Ford Territory. Snapped while testing at Ford's proving ground in the You Yangs, Victoria, the new model is due in showrooms next year and will debut a diesel engine.

Ford announced plans to fit a Jaguar-sourced 2.7-litre V6 turbo-diesel in the Territory in July last year. Although now replaced in the Jaguar XF by a 3.0-litre diesel, the 2.7-litre unit should be good for more than 150kW and 435Nm.

That compares with 190kW/383Nm for the current straight-six petrol engine and 245kW/480Nm for the turbo-petrol version.

Fuel economy should improve, with claims the diesel could use less than 8 litres per 100 kilometres; the best the current petrol engines can manage is 11.6L/100km.

The Territory had a barely noticeable makeover in February last year but, judging by the front-end camouflage, this promises to be more substantial.

pictures available on drive .com.au

[holland_ford]

Cant Wait To See These Up And Selling

[vztrt]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11302959

[DJM83]

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[Bossxr8]

Yes, its more than likely the diesel will be an option on each model, but they would want to have a small turbo diesel sticker or badge to identify them, just like an XR6 Turbo or TTG have.

Highly unlikely the diesel will be a seperate model.

[Gaz]

Charged 5.0 in the Terror... yes please :-)

That's a pretty massive jump in torque between the old 2.7 and the new 3.0.

[want-a-XY]

i really hope that ford aus launch a falcon diesel in 2011! pity polites plans for the diesel terry were put on hold for so long too

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by want-a-XY

i really hope that ford aus launch a falcon diesel in 2011! pity polites plans for the diesel terry were put on hold for so long too

Yes it would be a good move though the 2.7L would only attract people after economy & not so concerned about performance which would rule out many who would choose a Ford.

The 3L would attract economy minded people but also people who like a vehicle to have decent performance as you only have to look at the XF Jag diesel as an example.

3L with its 600 Nm would interest me but the 2.7 would not to be honest.

XR6 3L Diesel

[chevypower]

"Jaguar-sourced" is not correct. Ford builds these engines.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

"Jaguar-sourced" is not correct. Ford builds these engines.

Correct and the engine was co developed by Ford and Peugeot ,<- appearing in their FWD vehicles too.