Identifying a MB TDCI powershift model

[Wazza]

Hello all,

I have found this forum very informative while researching my next car, which is likely to be a diesel titanium. Many thanks to those posters.

I have started making calls to a couple of car yards to enquire about the MB titanium tdci powershift, which has caused a little confusion. One yard told me that there is no such release, and that I must be referring to the MC model due out later in the year. Another that I went to showed me a zetec tdci powershift model for comparison.

This raises the question, how is one to identify the powershift in a MB? Media on the ford website shows powershift written on the stick itself, can anyone confirm that this is true? The one I was shown had no such markings.

I would have a hard time to make a purchase based on the promise from a sales person alone that it contains the new transmissionm, after some of the information I am receiving.

I am likely to wait for the MC model, but wanted to see if I could get the price down on one of these late model MBs.

Thanks in advance.

[Dusty1]

There must be something on the compliance plate.

Have a look on the Euro site http://www.talkford.com/forum/96-mondeo-mk4-2007-20/ and see if they can identify it.

Like you, I wouldn't believe the sales people, and I know that Pacific Ford on the sponsor section (http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11310491) had some demos for sale, and they were marked as dual shift autos, so they must be out there.

Maybe ask Pactific Ford the question on the site and see what they say.

[MOND30]

I was under the impression that the new tranny was part of the MC upgrade?

[RicOz]

Correct I don't think the MB model has powershift.

[apstar]

Incorrect yes it did, that was the so called UPGRADE MODEL 2010 the Knob has Powershift written on it

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[MONDEO10]

I have just purchased a 2010 MB Titanium TDi Wagon Powershiift.
From what I was able to gather, the TDCi Titanium wagon which came out mid 2010 was fitted with the Powershift transmission and the MC hatch would receive this on diesel models when it arrives. I could not identify that the MB hatch TDCi had this transmission fitted.
I must say that this transmission is silky smoooth and works a treat so far..

[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by MONDEO10

I have just purchased a 2010 MB Titanium TDi Wagon Powershiift.
From what I was able to gather, the TDCi Titanium wagon which came out mid 2010 was fitted with the Powershift transmission and the MC hatch would receive this on diesel models when it arrives. I could not identify that the MB hatch TDCi had this transmission fitted.
I must say that this transmission is silky smoooth and works a treat so far..

Hello all,

We have had a MB TDCi Titanium hatch that is fitted with the Powershift tranny and has the tweaked higher output engine. The dealer told us it can be identified internally by a slightly different dash surround? Not sure of this.

It is a ripper car, got it in October and have already travelled 9500k averaging 7.1l/100k with a mix of city and highway driving.

Very happy with the car as a whole. One small issue with fuel spilling that I will post in the thread "Diesel Leaks".

Steve.

[NZ XR6]

Very interesting thanks, I will check the runout Mondeos in NZ. Late last year Ford NZ started selling the Fiesta with the 1.6 engine and Powershift, but never advertised the change from the 1.4 4-speed auto.

[borntoshop666]

I/ve had mine MB Titanium Diesel Wagon since Sep and it is the Powershift Tranny, but it does not have ""Powershift"" written on the gear lever. I think they called it MB Mondeo MY 2011, all very confusing.
Still very happy with the car, Consumptionis around 6.4 l/100km in Sydney and the Blue Mountains and its due for its 30 k Service soon.
Highly recommended car

[apstar]

Originally Posted by borntoshop666

I/ve had mine MB Titanium Diesel Wagon since Sep and it is the Powershift Tranny, but it does not have ""Powershift"" written on the gear lever.
Highly recommended car

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satel...&ssbinary=true

If you don't have what's in this picture you may not have Powershift

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[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by apstar

http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/Satel...&ssbinary=true

If you don't have what's in this picture you may not have Powershift

apstar

Our car does not have the powershift logo on the shifter but it definitely has a powershift transmission.

[borntoshop666]

no, havent got the little logo, but then again I dont have the Titanium Badge either on the back! got the TDCI instead, but one's been ordered from the UK.

According to the Catalogue and Ford Website, only the Titanium Diesel came standard with Powershift Tranny optional on Zetec in MB guise.

Why no logo on Gearlever, go figure,,,


I"m 100% sure its the Powershift, because every now and then fro a full stop it has this hesitation for a few seconds before anything happens, like it wants to make sure I really want to go now! All DSG"s display this habit apparently.

[Dusty1]

I've seen the MC with powershift (and driven one) and it doesn't say 'Powershift' on the gear selector. Maybe this is just MC?

Is there be a code on the compliance plate or somewhere else that says it's a powershift?

[ian b]

the compliance plate shows a series of reference letters/numbers down the lhs, maybe one of these codes is to indicate the transmission type

I know the UK models have a plate in the engine bay with similar information

at least with the XR5 we know what gearbox we got

[allanv6gt]

Originally Posted by ian b

at least with the XR5 we know what gearbox we got

...yeh, the one that lets you exercise your left leg as well as your right leg

[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by ian b

the compliance plate shows a series of reference letters/numbers down the lhs, maybe one of these codes is to indicate the transmission type

I know the UK models have a plate in the engine bay with similar information

at least with the XR5 we know what gearbox we got

I checked the compliance plate and could not decipher any codes that could indicate the transmission type.

However when I checked the warranty and service guide book it shows that vehicles manufactured after 08/02/2010 were fitted with the upgraded duratorq engine DW10C 120kW compared to the older DW10B 96kW.

To the best of my knowledge all vehicles that were fitted with the DW10C were designated by some to be MB MY11 and the auto fitted was the Powershift transmission 6DCT450.

I have two seperate stickers on my car, one that specifies a build date of April 2010 and one that has an Aussie compliance date of July 2010. As stated my car definitely has the DW10C and the Powershift 6DCT450.

So I would say that it is safe to assume that any car built after February 2010 and fitted with the TDCi would have the Powershift transmission. Redbook car guide confirms this by showing all MB MY11 diesels having the Powershift, but states that this change happened in June.

Finally I think that cars fitted with the Powershift tranny also have Hill launch assist, but I have not been able to absolutely confirm this.

[Batman105E]

Don't be too stressed, if you got the MB MY11 Titanium TDCi you will have got the powershift. The salesman showed us the order and delivery documents for our car that showed the different gearbox code for ours with the Powershift.

When the car gets home tomorrow I will get the transmission code off the compliance plate and we can then check that with other vehicles.

[Samurai_Chris]

So, do all of the Titanium MB's with Power shift come with diesel engines?

[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by Samurai_Chris

So, do all of the Titanium MB's with Power shift come with diesel engines?

Yes, if you have a powershift you have a diesel engine, however the powershift is only fitted to the diesel engined vehicles manufactured after 08/02/2010.

The petrol engined model does not have the powershift tranny.

Any diesel produced before 08/02/2010 has the "standard" six speed auto as fitted to the petrol engined Mondeos..

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by Batman105E

Yes, if you have a powershift you have a diesel engine, however the powershift is only fitted to the diesel engined vehicles manufactured after 08/02/2010.

The petrol engined model does not have the powershift tranny.

Any diesel produced before 08/02/2010 has the "standard" six speed auto as fitted to the petrol engined Mondeos..

I don't think the Mondeo had the Powershift in February 2010. The Powershift first appeared in the UK in May and was announced in Oz for Q3 2010.

Will be interesting to see when my new car was manufactured and which gearbox it has. The dealers here often have no clue what they're getting until it's unloaded. I was at a dealer a couple of months ago, and they had no idea that they were getting auto Fiestas with the 1.6 engine and Powershift until they rolled off the transporter!

[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

I don't think the Mondeo had the Powershift in February 2010. The Powershift first appeared in the UK in May and was announced in Oz for Q3 2010.

I just passed on what was written plain as day in my Warranty and Service book and that is that any car MANUFACTURED after the 8/2/2010 has the powershift fitted. If manufactured in Feburary they wouldn't land in OZ or NZ until then end of May or June depending on demand and supply (given they would have filled European orders first I doubt that many would have landed before the end of June). That would mean a Q3 delivery.

As far as I am concerned the Warranty and Service book is good enough proof for me, and I will take it as fact until otherwise proven wrong.

[Allusion]

You can put in the vin number on www.etis.ford.com to find out which transmission the car has. It's on the vehicle tab and you don't need to become a member to use it if you don't want.

[Batman105E]

Originally Posted by Allusion

You can put in the vin number on www.etis.ford.com to find out which transmission the car has. It's on the vehicle tab and you don't need to become a member to use it if you don't want.

That is a very handy website. Thanks.

[Budorat]

Originally Posted by Allusion

You can put in the vin number on www.etis.ford.com to find out which transmission the car has. It's on the vehicle tab and you don't need to become a member to use it if you don't want.

What a cool site. I was able to search on my car (which I pick up in 4 days) and it told me everything about it. The interesting part is the Minor Features summary. If you expand the link it tells you everything you do and don't have on the car. I fount the items with "Less" to be the most interesting. It is clearly evident the Europe get the best this car has to offer while Ford Australia gives us a nice car, but one which does not compare to its Euro counterpart.

Check it out below (sorry bout the really long post):


Primary Features
Build Date: 03.11.2010
Vehicle Line: Mondeo 2007- (CD345)
Body Style: 5 Door Saloon
Version: Series 40
Engine: 2.0L Duratorq DOHC (163PS) - DW10C
Transmission:6 Speed Powershift 6DCT450 - MPS6
Drive: RHD FWD
Emission: Stage V Emissions
Air Conditioning: Dual Zone Auto Temp Control A/C
Territory: (+)"AUS"
Paint: Frozen White
Interior Fabric: Daphne/Twill / Ebony

Minor Features
Less Rear Mudflaps
Less Cargo Stowage Device
Less Interior Pack
Less Front Mudflaps
With Hill Launch Assist
With Standard Liftgate
(-) Version Packages
Genk Plant Build
Less Security Lock Group
Less Special Equipment Package
Less Fleet Options
Less Marketing Flex Prep Pack
Marketing Level 1
Less Dress Up RSO
(-) SVP
Less Safety Packs
Enhanced Interact Vehicle Dynamics
Less Tyre Repair Service Kit
With Global Closing
With Electric Rear Windows
With Tinted Glass All Round
Standard Green Glass Windscreen
Less Heated Windscreen
With Console Ashtray
Less Temp Controlled Glove Box
With Monotone Instrument Panel
Less Front Floor Mats
Less Rear Floor Mats
Less Sun Blinds
Less Load Rest
Less Luggage Compartment Net Kit
Less Load Retention Net
Chrome-Plated
Less Roof Rack
With Titanium Door Frame Mouldings
Less Spoiler
With Dipping Rear View Mirror
Dual Power Htd Signal Mirrors
Less Special Seat Covers
Less Special Front Seat Covers
Less Special Rear Seat Covers
With Rear Seat Centre Armrest
With Passengers Man Lumbar Support
Less Temp Control Driver Seat
Less Temp Control Passengers Seat
Less Rear Heated Seat
Less Child Intergrated Seat
With Driver 2 Way Pwr.Seat Adjuster
With Pass 2 Way Manual Seat Adjust
Less Rear Seat Armrest Packs
Less Trailer Coupling
Body Coloured Exterior Door Handle
With Leather Gear Shift Knob
With Child Proof Safety Lock
Power Door Dead Lock W/Elec Release
Door Entry R/Cont Unit-2 Flip Keys
Less Keyless Entry System
With Automatic Windscreen Wiper
Less Headlamp Washer/Wiper
Less Sun Roof
Air Crtn Rstrnt LH
Air Crtn Rstrnt RH
Inflatable Knee Bolsters - Driver
With Side Air Bag - Drivers Side
With Side Air Bag - Passenger Side
Less Passenger Air Bag Deactivation
With Mini Steel Spare Wheel
Less Tyre Pressure Sensors
With Standard Rear Shock Absorbers
7.5 X 17 Solar Painted Alum Wheel
215/50 17" W Rated BSW Tyre
Limited Service Mini Spare Tyre
With Standard Tyre Tread - Front
With Standard Tyre Tread - Rear
Less Wheel Covers
Non Locking Lug Nuts
With Kysor Radiator Shutter
With Standard Suspension
Front Spring Load Class-R
Rear Spring Load Class-F
With Brake Emergency Assist
Less Skid Plates
Standard Front Seat
With Rear Duct / B-Pillar
Less Air Purifier Sensor
Less Gaseous Prep Pack
Standard Foot Pedal Pad Design
Leather Steering Wheel
With Speed Control
Less Auxiliary Heater
Conventional Instruments - Level 3
Less Blind Spot Information System
With Perimeter Anti-Theft
With Rear Parking Aid
With Front Parking Aid
80 AH Battery
Less Auxiliary Compact Disc Player
BT/VC Phone Interface + USB Connect
High Level With CD And AM/FM Radio
With 9 Radio Speakers
Less Family Entertainment System
Voice Activated Module - British
Less Camera
With Halogen Headlamp
Less Daytime Running Lamps
With Front Fog Lamps
Less Footwell Lights
Header Mounted Courtesy/Maplights
With 2nd Row Reading Lamps
With Automatic Headlamp On/Off

[allanv6gt]

Budorat - I too plugged my VIn into the site, and agree it is really coll. But then your MC listing has some LESS items that are neither LESS nor appearing on my MB XR5 build sheet.

e.g. Less Family Entertainment System - ???
Less Blind Spot Information System - MC onwards
With Passengers Man Lumbar Support - MC onwards???
Less Rear Heated Seat (Empty plug under my rear seats)
With Kysor Radiator Shutter - MC onwards
Less Camera - MB option maybe


Interesting to see some of the differences across models. Thanks for providing me with hours and hours of fascinating reading (<grin>)....

[apstar]

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...8&postcount=44

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[Dusty1]

NZ it's the same here. Ford didn't know the MB wagons came with roof rails until someone wanted the cross bars to match.

[NZ XR6]

I hope what's written in your warranty book is true for NZ, as my new wagon should have the upgraded diesel and Powershift box. I'll run the VIN through ETIS when I get it.

[Mugwump]

A query from a newbie. looking at buying 2nd Diesel Hatch .. Dominelli ford have 1 that they list as 2010 FORD MONDEO MB MY11 ZETEC PWRSHIFT TDC (rego BTR02H) on carsales.com.au. Yet on their own site it is not referred to as pwrshift. I looked up the etis.ford website - (thanks for info on this) and found

Build Date: 15.12.2009
Vehicle Line: Mondeo 2007- (CD345)
Body Style: 5 Door Saloon
Version: Series 40
Engine: Duratorq 2.0L DOHC CR TC Dsl 143PS
Transmission: 6-Speed Automatic Transaxle - AWF21


As i gather from previous posts -- this means that it is not pwrshift.

Have i got this right? any help to reduce confusion greatly appreciated

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

I hope what's written in your warranty book is true for NZ, as my new wagon should have the upgraded diesel and Powershift box. I'll run the VIN through ETIS when I get it.

Probably not cool to quote your own post. Anyway, my Mondeo TDCi manufactured on 23 Aug 2010 is NOT a Powershift. But am not too bothered as the Ford trans engineers obviously spent some time setting up the auto to work with the diesel and the results are very good. I like how I can start the car, back out of the garage, roll down our long drive and down the street, and not touch the accelerator until the car is doing about 30 km/h!

I also like how it changes down to give you engine braking until about 20 km/h. But the best fun is gently pushing the accelerator when someone tries to beat you away from the lights and leaving them way behind.

Oops, didn't mean to say that - lucky I don't live in VIC.