Another 2 young'ns killed

[jamesson1980]

60km/h speed limit, vehicle said to be doing double that at moment of impact, wet road with sweeping bend, fully loaded Commo Wagon, 12 midnight, 2 Dead, 3 critical. Glad to see the Werribee incident barely 4 days ago served as a lesson to these other young highly skilled professional drivers

[Papa Smurf]

ANOTHER group of grieving parents and friends. :(

[TheInterceptor]

At midnight it very easy to get carried away as there is bugger all traffic and the lights are usually green (least theyre green for me..) Sure, pick a faster line across a roadway but trying to impress ya mates by trying to break the road speed record anywhere other than a controlled environment is somthing for the Darwin Awards...especially in the wet...

Looks like those 3 were lucky to get out alive..

[jamesson1980]

Navy boys. I think I recall another Navy incident in 2007 killing 3 in an XR6 hire car over near Portarlington when they missed a bend a drove into the bay and drowned.

And yes, as said above, the deceased can be dismissed as idiots which they indeed were, or at least the driver was.. but it's the families left to go on after the tragedy that I feel for.

[Ford_The_Win]

Ironically, they have a smashed up VP Wagon permanently fixed near the naval base down there to remind those boys to take it easy. The navy seriously needs to do something about it's alcohol culture - although the same could be said about Australia in general.

[jamesson1980]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Ironically, they have a smashed up VP Wagon permanently fixed near the naval base down there to remind those boys to take it easy. The navy seriously needs to do something about it's alcohol culture - although the same could be said about Australia in general.

Alcohol has yet to be confirmed as a contributor... watch this space I guess. But this is not 60km/h worth of damage so clearly speed was a factor

[deesun]

Originally Posted by jamesson1980

Alcohol has yet to be confirmed as a contributor... watch this space I guess. But this is not 60km/h worth of damage so clearly speed was a factor

Inapropriate speed was a factor

[jamesson1980]

Originally Posted by deesun

Inapropriate speed was a factor

I left out a word but that's what I meant..

[Dave3911]

Originally Posted by Ford_The_Win

Ironically, they have a smashed up VP Wagon permanently fixed near the naval base down there to remind those boys to take it easy. The navy seriously needs to do something about it's alcohol culture - although the same could be said about Australia in general.

That same naval base (HMAS Cerberus) had another incident (if memory serves correct) in 2006 where a boozed up sailor smashed his supra into a tree on the mornington peninsula after attending a party to celebrate the end of a training course. Impact speed was above 150km/hr and the car tore itself apart, both occupants ejected and killed instantly. Blood achohol was off the chart.

This accident reminds me a lot of that one. Some things never change.

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by jamesson1980

Navy boys.

Yeah - they were still going through rookies - near the end of training...

Originally Posted by dansedgli

The population was getting a bit high anyway.

The passengers dont always ask for whats coming...

RIP

[Ben73]

Can't deny the fact it was a commodore. 2 in 1 week. I know they are popular, but still......

[EFJay]

My father is a towie down there, i rang him thismorning about it and lucky for him someone else went to it. I feel for the guys that have to clean up the mess and pull bodies out of the wrecks..

[302 XC]

Firstly
It doesnt matter how crap the tyres were
IF they are deemed legal then they are
IF the tyres are found illegal within the RWC period , then the RWC inspector has some explaining
IF they are illegal after that point then its the drivers responsibility
But was this the contributing factor to the crash ???
Secondly
There are many factors ,speed, BAC,ect
Has every avenue been excluded ???
Even IF the BAC was right,what about a drug test ???
Just because your in the forces,as such
Doesnt exclude from being an idiot on the roads

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Firstly
It doesnt matter how crap the tyres were
IF they are deemed legal then they are
IF the tyres are found illegal within the RWC period , then the RWC inspector has some explaining
IF they are illegal after that point then its the drivers responsibility
But was this the contributing factor to the crash ???
Secondly
There are many factors ,speed, BAC,ect
Has every avenue been excluded ???
Even IF the BAC was right,what about a drug test ???
Just because your in the forces,as such
Doesnt exclude from being an idiot on the roads

Whilst unravelling the finer details will be important to some, i doubt it will matter to the 2 deceased.

[lockieoc]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Firstly
It doesnt matter how crap the tyres were
IF they are deemed legal then they are
IF the tyres are found illegal within the RWC period , then the RWC inspector has some explaining
IF they are illegal after that point then its the drivers responsibility
But was this the contributing factor to the crash ???
Secondly
There are many factors ,speed, BAC,ect
Has every avenue been excluded ???
Even IF the BAC was right,what about a drug test ???
Just because your in the forces,as such
Doesnt exclude from being an idiot on the roads

just because a tyre is legal doesn't mean its any good. I'm pointing out the fact that obviously the driver has little to no understanding about the mechanics of a car hence taking a corner at more then twice the the legal speed in the wet with a fully loaded car.

[vztrt]

If people wanna have a read about it.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/de...330-1cfj8.html

Had to induce one kid into a coma in the car.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by vztrt

If people wanna have a read about it.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/de...330-1cfj8.html

Had to induce one kid into a coma in the car.

After reading that article, and the other one related to Werribee, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that defensive driving courses are necessary.

The simple fact of the matter is that people speed, the outcome of this speeding is that sometimes they stuff up, and when they stuff up, there are dire consequences for all involved. If we know that people speed, is it not an intelligent solution to give all drivers a course designed so that if they do stuff up...they know the basics on how to get out of it?

My interpretation from that article is that the driver has actually tried, unsuccessfully to stop this from happening...I could be wrong, but the reality of it all is that until someone actually does something or makes a stand...there's going to be more of this type of accident.

[EFJay]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

I could be wrong, but the reality of it all is that until someone actually does something or makes a stand...there's going to be more of this type of accident.

Well said Sezzy, but the problem is that a lot of these fools are going to drive like this even after going to a driver course.

Yes we all speed at times, yes most of us have dropped a skid but most of us wouldnt do it with a car full of mates and do it to this extent.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by ginger

Well said Sezzy, but the problem is that a lot of these fools are going to drive like this even after going to a driver course.

Yes we all speed at times, yes most of us have dropped a skid but most of us wouldnt do it with a car full of mates and do it to this extent.

Yeah, you're right, but if they have the knowledge to get out should they need to, the results may not be so awful in future.

The small country town that I came from, this was common occurrence, some got out through sheer luck, the rest weren't so lucky. I found myself upside down in a car looking at the sparks from a battery and smelling petrol dripping from a cracked fuel tank after my boyfriend decided to take on a tree head first. He was a first class idiot and never learned from his mistakes.

So whilst most people you know wouldn't do it with a car full of mates, I beg to differ.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by Sezzy

After reading that article, and the other one related to Werribee, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that defensive driving courses are necessary.

That will only make them think they now have the skills to drive at higher speeds.

What needs to happen, is for repeat offenders on the roads, need to be taken to the scene of a fatality, shown first hand what happen's. Then taken by the police to the home of the family they are about to inform of the death of a loved one from the accident and watch as the emotion's start flowing. Any survivors from the accident, they need to watch medical professionals try to save the lives of those critically injured in emergency theaters.

Time to stop with the adds, they don't work, time to ram the reality down their throat and make them live what emergency personnel live with everyday. Cold hard reality. And they need to be made to be part of it.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

That will only make them think they now have the skills to drive at higher speeds.

What needs to happen, is for repeat offenders on the roads, need to be taken to the scene of a fatality, shown first hand what happen's. Then taken by the police to the home of the family they are about to inform of the death of a loved one from the accident and watch as the emotion's start flowing. Any survivors from the accident, they need to watch medical professionals try to save the lives of those critically injured in emergency theaters.

Time to stop with the adds, they don't work, time to ram the reality down their throat and make them live what emergency personnel live with everyday. Cold hard reality. And they need to be made to be part of it.

Why would you make survivors watch that? You don't think a lesson would be learnt from merely being almost killed?

I agree, the softly-softly approach doesn't work, but the extreme lefts would then really be asking you 'what about the children?' - the psychological impact of those kinds of visions is enough to send some people straight over the edge. So whilst I agree in principle it's a great idea, in practice, it's not so realistic.

Most of us conveniently forget to remember that we were all young and impressionable once, we've all done stupid things, both in cars and out. Seeing this happen day in and day out on our roads is ridiculous, and yes, as has been said the road toll is going down, and yes, that's great - but kids are dying, and that's not great...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

That will only make them think they now have the skills to drive at higher speeds.

Because they were so sensible now. Normally the defensive driving shows you how hard it is to actually slow your car when doing legal speeds

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

That will only make them think they now have the skills to drive at higher speeds

Yes, that is a big consideration. I also have reservations about how many believe that a half an hour in a skid pan, whatever, suddenly equips one at a moments notice to recover a vehicle that is going sideways still travelling at far greater speed than its possbile to take the corner at in the first place.....some opposite lock full throttle power recovery on a regular piece of road?......people are dreaming.

Defensive driving courses, where people find out how easy it is to lose control if you are going to fast, I have no problem with.

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

What needs to happen, is for repeat offenders on the roads, need to be taken to the scene of a fatality, shown first hand what happen's. Then taken by the police to the home of the family they are about to inform of the death of a loved one from the accident and watch as the emotion's start flowing. Any survivors from the accident, they need to watch medical professionals try to save the lives of those critically injured in emergency theaters.

Time to stop with the adds, they don't work, time to ram the reality down their throat and make them live what emergency personnel live with everyday. Cold hard reality. And they need to be made to be part of it.

I have no problem with this for anyone under the age of 25 that gets any hooning or speeding infringement. The ones that can behave themselves can be spared the trouble.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by sudszy

I have no problem with this for anyone under the age of 25 that gets any hooning or speeding infringement. The ones that can behave themselves can be spared the trouble.

What If they are caught doing 65, in a 60 zone? Should they have to go though it then?

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by vztrt

If people wanna have a read about it.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/de...330-1cfj8.html

Had to induce one kid into a coma in the car.

http://media.theage.com.au/national/...e-2259014.html

Two actually

3 Helicopters too

Very sad indeed...

[Geez Louise]

Sad to hear. There are now more families out there who tonight will not be sharing time with a loved one...very sad indeed.

[EFJay]

the police in the town i grew up in had a novel way of dealing with this sort of thing, if they found you being a knob they would give you a pounding for it.
I got a good beating from em and they told my dad what i was up to and that was the end of it. Nowdays it would be lawsuits all over it the police did it but i think it was for the best.

[302 XC]

Some that say the driver mite have been requested to slow down or perhaps change his drivin style
HHMM,
How our memory fades fast
How many of us seriously were young and stupid ???
Most
I bet those who condone this attitude were not the great driver/passenger
Themselves
We have all acted the idiot behind the wheel in our life time
Speeding,runnng a muck whatever
Some get away with it,some get fines,jail time and some meet the maker
When ya numbers up its up
The road death toll has gone down ,thats all we need to worry about
Going down means theres still deaths (wether good or bad)

[Fireblade]

Originally Posted by 302 XC

Some that say the driver mite have been requested to slow down or perhaps change his drivin style
HHMM,
How our memory fades fast
How many of us seriously were young and stupid ???
Most
I bet those who condone this attitude were not the great driver/passenger
Themselves
We have all acted the idiot behind the wheel in our life time
Speeding,runnng a muck whatever
Some get away with it,some get fines,jail time and some meet the maker
When ya numbers up its up
The road death toll has gone down ,thats all we need to worry about
Going down means theres still deaths (wether good or bad)

Exactly, we ALL have done something stupid in our time, no one is a perfect driver, some here just use these incidents to jump on their soapbox and push their own agendas. Hypocrites.

As sad as these incidents are, and I feel for their families, but these incidents and more will happen because we are human and make mistakes, some fatal, some not, some people are lucky, some are not.

[sudszy]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

Exactly, we ALL have done something stupid in our time, no one is a perfect driver, some here just use these incidents to jump on their soapbox and push their own agendas. Hypocrites.

As sad as these incidents are, and I feel for their families, but these incidents and more will happen because we are human and make mistakes, some fatal, some not, some people are lucky, some are not.

Push their own agendas? what exactly would that be, other than preventing senseless deaths?

We are all hypocrites? really, I personally dont know any one who did anything half as stupid as what appeared to happen in this incident.
From the reports this was a notorious strip of road for burnouts, speeding etc.

We have a serious car culture problem here, it doesnt have to be.