Which korean car would you choose?

[CODSASR]

Since I have started to work at a Kia dealer as a salesman I have reallised how good they really are for the price. Alot of people think a Kia is just Hyundai with different styaling but one big difference is that Kia change the suspension to suit australian conditions and also use there own 6 speed auto instead of hyundais 5 speed.

So though I would see what others thought of the Koreans here is a few pics to help you choose.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CODSASR

Since I have started to work at a Kia dealer as a salesman I have reallised how good they really are for the price. Alot of people think a Kia is just Hyundai with different styaling but one big difference is that Kia change the suspension to suit australian conditions and also use there own 6 speed auto instead of hyundais 5 speed.

And that 6-speed auto comes from.........

[SM1DY]

I saw an i45 at Melbourne airport when I was down there last July and as a Hyundai is liking what I saw. Don't mind the KIA, but I just don't think very highly of them, personal perception really.

[Paxton]

I'd have the i45. All it needs is a V6.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Paxton

I'd have the i45. All it needs is a V6.

The genesis will be here next year, V6 or V8 & RWD.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by flappist

The genesis will be here next year, V6 or V8 & RWD.

I'm looking forward to driving one. If it handles, and drives well, Ford and Holden have a fight on their hands. Hyundai are mad if they don't push it at the same market that Falcon and Commodore currently occupy.

[FalconXV]

Originally Posted by flappist

The genesis will be here next year, V6 or V8 & RWD.

How do you know? Most reports I've read say Hyundai have no intention of building them RHD... Hope you're right though, would make for a more interesting automotive landscape.

[CODSASR]

The auto is a joint venture between Kia, Toyota, GM and the big one Ford

[blueoval]

My sister was very close to purchasing the Kia Koup with all the fruit on it. I must admit it looked and felt nice. The crunch was with the KIA dealer itself and them doing dirty dealings (stuff I wont mention here) she chose a Mitsu Lancer VRX instead.

I love the look of the latest Hyundai range, and if I had to choose between Kia and Hyundai, I would choose the Hyundai hands down. They have won quite a few awards from what I hear, and their quality has improved a lot over the past few years. The latest i-series seems to be a hit with most younger folk.

The front of the i45 just looks more classy to me.

[2011G6E]

The Optima has the "stop you in your tracks" feature, especially in darker colours, that cars need to steer people towards them from the plethora of choices now available,

We saw one when we were looking for a new car before buying the G6E.
I don't know if anyone is familiar with the Ford dealership in Rockhampton, but after turning off the road, you enter the dealership, and there is a driveway around the front of the dealership, past first the second hand cars, then the Ford section, then Mitsubishi and Kia, and on out a back gate to another road.
As we first entered the dealership to just have a quick browse at the end of the day when we were down there shopping, we glanced at the used cars, drove slowly past the Ford cars, commented on a couple that were there ("That grey one is nice...the blue XR6 looks the goods too", that sort of thing), and then drove past the Mitsubishi and Kia section and actually hit the brakes when I saw the low sleek shape of a dark silver car. My missus said "What did you stop for?", and I pointed out the car, not even really knowing what it was. I saw later it was an Optima.

Several other people I've spoken to also mentioned this "whoa" moment when first seeing one.

That's what needed in todays competitive market...something that will stop you in your tracks and force you to walk into the dealership and ask about it.

As nice as our G6E is, it didn't really stick out in amongst the other Falcons and XR6's. There needs to be a "smack you in the eye" style to higher end models that clearly differentiates them from ther others in the range. A badge and a tiny bit of chrome simply won't cut it anymore.

Not Korean, but another competitor that I'm expecting to see big things from is the Suzuki Kizashi. We took a Sport AWD one...bright red with black leather and standard Rockwell Fosgate 12 speaker stereo system...for a drive. It was amazing...comfortable, plenty of interior room, carved the corners nicely, and really looked the goods...the only thing lacking was a bit of grunt. The dealer said later this year a turbo version of the Sport AWD will be released...watch them walk off the floor in droves, he said.
We were, at the time, only looking at trading the Landcruiser on an XR6 or SV6, and the $49,000 for the Kizashi sport AWD we thought was out of our range.
We ended up with a $50,000+ G6E. Oh well. Got a good trade price for the Landcruiser.

[Polyal]

If I had a gun to my head and had to choose? Assuming Ford et al where not an option?

Id go Kia, they look better but I dont like the badge...yes that sounds stupid but for some silly reason if a Kia had a Hyundai badge then I would be more receptive of it.

How many cars do we purchase in our life time? There is no way in hell id choose a Kia/Hyundai over a Mondeo or Focus...dont even try comparing them to a Falcon. Different segment, slightly different needs. A XR6T person wont cross shop the above.

The i45 looks ok in pics but in person its awkward, and thats from an AU owner.

[kpcart]

[/QUOTE]
The i45 looks ok in pics but in person its awkward, and thats from an AU owner.[/QUOTE]

i disagree. it looks great in person, better then in pictures, the AU on the other hand you are correct on. you sound like you think your AU looks better, thats like saying Magda Szubanski is better looking then Miranda Kerr. Each to their own.

[4.0i OHC]

The i45 looks ok in pics but in person its awkward, and thats from an AU owner.[/QUOTE]

i disagree. it looks great in person, better then in pictures, the AU on the other hand you are correct on. you sound like you think your AU looks better, thats like saying Magda Szubanski is better looking then Miranda Kerr. Each to their own.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, I've seen a few i45s on the road, and they look ill-proportioned to me. Then again, I find the VT/VX Commodores and pretty much any modern Toyota ugly, so maybe I'm just strange.

If you're going to compare any car to Magda Szubanski, it'd have to be the VT Commodore

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by Polyal

How many cars do we purchase in our life time? There is no way in hell id choose a Kia/Hyundai over a Mondeo or Focus...dont even try comparing them to a Falcon. Different segment, slightly different needs. A XR6T person wont cross shop the above.

A Fairlane/LWB person such as myself wouldn't cross shop the i45 or Optima. However, if for whatever reason, I was required to purchase a new car in this class, I'd take a Mondeo; I simply don't see what these two offer above a Mondeo, or even a Mazda 6.

Originally Posted by Polyal

The i45 looks ok in pics but in person its awkward, and thats from an AU owner.

I agree competely. I also doubt that an i45 will drive as well as an AU does (especially one with IRS), judging by reviews. However, I'll reserve final judgement until I actually drive one.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by fairlaneman

I agree competely. I also doubt that an i45 will drive as well as an AU does (especially one with IRS), judging by reviews. However, I'll reserve final judgement until I actually drive one.

The AU IRS was better than the BA IRS, it was not magical and in the big picture I have driven many many cars that drive better than both of them.

[drew`SEVNT5]

Originally Posted by fairlaneman

A Fairlane/LWB person such as myself wouldn't cross shop the i45 or Optima. However, if for whatever reason, I was required to purchase a new car in this class, I'd take a Mondeo; I simply don't see what these two offer above a Mondeo, or even a Mazda 6.

A dealer network that a) cares; b) doesn't just look at the car dumbfounded when it is in for repairs

[malazn mafia]

That optima looks tops. The lines/etc are really what the falcon should be up to by now. Falcon still has a bit of a 2002 air about it. The optima makes the VE commodore/statesman and aurion/camry look so yesterday. Why don't Ford just do another 'Festiva' and put the blue oval in place of the unsightly kia badge - at least this one looks worthy.

[blueoval]

I saw the Optima from behind in the KIA dealership I was in and I looked like it had some semi-AUDI accents to it. The Sales lady said that KIA had recently acquired an ex AUDI manager in the design team when the latest run of KIA's were on the drawing board. Which if true, explains some of the accents I recognized.

Dont get me wrong, the KIA Optima stills looks like a decent car, but I can't help but be reminded of the failure they were when they're cars first came to Australian shores.

[CODSASR]

the designer you speak of is paul schreyer the current kia grills are known as the schreyer grill

[blueoval]

I actually got to sit in the Optima for a bit and was pleasantly surprised to see a fairly well thought out driving layout interior wise. Seats felt comfortable and it seemed to have a tonne of features going for it for what was told to me was a vehicle between 40-50k.

[GreenR]

My parents used to have a Hyundai Santa Fe and my sister had a Hyundai Accent . Cheap . And not surprisingly poor quality. Things may be different now though

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by plarazza

My parents used to have a Hyundai Santa Fe and my sister had a Hyundai Accent . Cheap . And not surprisingly poor quality. Things may be different now though

The new Hyundais are like Chalk and Cheese compared to the Excels and Lantras of old.

A Mate of mine had Lantra Sportswagon when they were new, and it was rubbish. His wife has a new i30cw, and it is probably better built than the new Corolla is. Definitely better than his Prado.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Paxton

The new Hyundais are like Chalk and Cheese compared to the Excels and Lantras of old.

A Mate of mine had Lantra Sportswagon when they were new, and it was rubbish. His wife has a new i30cw, and it is probably better built than the new Corolla is. Definitely better than his Prado.

This says a lot considering Toyota has had such a good reputation of the past. Is it just that KIA/Hyundai have stepped up or Toyota have dropped the ball?

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by blueoval

This says a lot considering Toyota has had such a good reputation of the past. Is it just that KIA/Hyundai have stepped up or Toyota have dropped the ball?

I'm happy to stand by it. Toyota isn't the quality powerhouse it used to be. They've cut more corners than Nascar to get where they are today.

Edit: Hyundai and Kia have stepped up. It was always going to happen, but they, like the Japs before them (and the Chinese after them) have to go from bad to good, otherwise, when the cheap and cheerful tag wears off, they've got nothing else to sell their brands. I, would buy a Hyundai i45 today, if was a) AWD, and b) V6. No medium car offers that, so I've had to compromise.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by blueoval

This says a lot considering Toyota has had such a good reputation of the past. Is it just that KIA/Hyundai have stepped up or Toyota have dropped the ball?

Both. Hyundai invested big at the beginning of the decade in R&D and quality control and it is bearing fruit now in the products they are bringing to market. Toyota hasn't really done a lot apart from cosmetically update its vehicles.

As for buying one, it would really depend on what type of vehicle I was shopping for at the time. Obviously neither of them have a Falcon-esque car available here so so there's no point looking to them for something like that. However, if I was after a small shopping trolley, I would happily check out an i30, I quite like the look of them. But at the moment, I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the Kia Sportage. I really, really like the look of them. And the turbo diesel is more powerful, torquey and economical than either petrol engine in the range. Ford don't offer a competitor in this segment, and they won't bring the Kuga here, so it's an easy decision.

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Both. Hyundai invested big at the beginning of the decade in R&D and quality control and it is bearing fruit now in the products they are bringing to market. Toyota hasn't really done a lot apart from cosmetically update its vehicles.

As for buying one, it would really depend on what type of vehicle I was shopping for at the time. Obviously neither of them have a Falcon-esque car available here so so there's no point looking to them for something like that. However, if I was after a small shopping trolley, I would happily check out an i30, I quite like the look of them. But at the moment, I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the Kia Sportage. I really, really like the look of them. And the turbo diesel is more powerful, torquey and economical than either petrol engine in the range. Ford don't offer a competitor in this segment, and they won't bring the Kuga here, so it's an easy decision.

Toyota changed their goal from having the biggest market share, to being the best in customer customer service. I read it this morning, but now for the life of me can't remember where I saw it to find again...

I'd have to say...I like the look of the Kia - I saw one on the Ippy Motorway the other day, it looked fairly stylish...but I'm still happy with the FG....

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by blueoval

This says a lot considering Toyota has had such a good reputation of the past. Is it just that KIA/Hyundai have stepped up or Toyota have dropped the ball?

In terms of commercial vehicles I find the Hyundai's are put together much better then the Toyota's. Mind you the commercial Toyota's aren't really from Japan anymore.

Mind you if I was to buy Korean it wouldn't be new.

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by Paxton

The new Hyundais are like Chalk and Cheese compared to the Excels and Lantras of old.

A Mate of mine had Lantra Sportswagon when they were new, and it was rubbish. His wife has a new i30cw, and it is probably better built than the new Corolla is. Definitely better than his Prado.

Lol, having owned both prado 150 and current Santa Fe at the same time ,your mate no offense is telling fibs...the boondy don't hold a candle to the prado full stop , quality is not the Hyundais selling point its price ...it was falling apart after twelve months , rattling, thin paint , terrible driving dynamics , hard seats , poor visibility. Each to there own and sales will dictate who wins .I won't buy another

[Rodp]

I thought hard about the Kia 6 months back but opted for a second hand Ghia - ended up being a bad move as I bought a second hand lemon.

If performance was a non-issue for me, the Kia would be a real contender. The appointments and styling seem beyond its price to me. Seems like a good bit of kit.

[CODSASR]

The I30 is a different class to the sportage if looking for a small car I would go the Kia Cerato SLI