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13-06-2011, 06:34 PM
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Peter Car
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Location: geelong
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To all the people saying 7 and 8 speed autos are a dumb idea, here's a 9 speed ZF for you.
 http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578AE00154189 |
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13-06-2011, 07:07 PM
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Just slidin'
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Thats AWESOME!!
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13-06-2011, 08:21 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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isn't nine speed getting a bit too much??? I remember the days of the two speed slush box!!!!
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13-06-2011, 08:24 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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half way now to heavy haulage truck gearbox's.. lol
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13-06-2011, 08:27 PM
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XD Sundowner
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sounds very grand turismo , can see a slide on the touch screen with infinately variable shift ...will be very interesting .
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13-06-2011, 08:29 PM
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www.sctflashtuning.com
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i hope we dont get them here , it was bad enough reverse engineering the 6 speed to calibrate
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13-06-2011, 08:46 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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13-06-2011, 11:58 PM
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I was correct - AGAIN
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 It would be nice to have more gears. The ZF 6 speed made the auto Falcon go from sluggish to spritely. |
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14-06-2011, 12:13 AM
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You dig, we stick!
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13-06-2011, 11:08 PM
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Sling Shot
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It says with the 9sp Auto the car will be sitting at 1900rpm at 120km/h. My XR6 Turbo already does that with only the 6sp auto???
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13-06-2011, 11:15 PM
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They should just call it CVT, as it may as well be.
Seems pointless to spend so much money on R&D for xxspeed gearboxes, when there must be better ways to gain economy, like WEIGHT !!!!
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13-06-2011, 11:16 PM
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can you imagine a manual 9 speed, now that would have you busy.
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14-06-2011, 07:13 AM
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Right out sideways
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Coffs Harbour NSW
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It will be great, if you are having a race, you can now change up as many gears as the guys in Fast & Furious !
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14-06-2011, 08:10 AM
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Lukeyson
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Maitland, NSW
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Well, Top Gear will be able to do a story on this.
But what are 'Fifth Gear' going to do? Just like that old Falcon Ute ad - 'Must have been stuck in 3rd'..... how fast can you go using a 9 speed tranny when stuck in 5th?  Lukeyson
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14-06-2011, 08:10 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Just get CVT's working properly...
We test drove a Suzuki Kizashi Sport AWD before buying the G6E, and apart from a bit of a lack of power (turbo coming later this year apparently), it was pretty damn good. When being driven in "automatic" mode the shifts were seamless and in "manual" sport mode, the shifts between "gears" were pretty much instant. A tougher version of a box like that in a Falcon would give the perfect ratio for any situation. Not really sure why they are continuing to stuff more and more actual gears inside an automatic...
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14-06-2011, 05:37 PM
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Peter Car
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Location: geelong
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Not many people like CVT's, they way they work makes people think it has a slipping clutch. Some people claim having so many speeds is stupid as it will keep needing to change gears all the time, but if the shifts are imperceptable as they say, and it has the ability to skip more than 1 gear at a time I don't see the problem. Its all about fuel economy and reduced emissions these days, its easier and cheaper to replace and auto with one with more gears than it is to switch to lightweight materials such as carbonfibre etc. No need to crash test either, which would be required for light weight panels. |
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14-06-2011, 05:24 PM
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http://appsprod01.zf.com/zf.productD...P_en_2007s.pdf
ZF 8 Speed - Couldn't help notice its rated up to 700 nm torque, very nice. |
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14-06-2011, 05:32 PM
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Pity the fool
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A 9 speed transmission: the answer to the question nobody asked.
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14-06-2011, 06:08 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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Even if they continue skipping only 1 gear at a time, going 2-4-6-8-9 will have it operate as a conventional 5 speed. The current 6 speeder already takes off from 2nd so that aspect is a non-issue.
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14-06-2011, 09:23 PM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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The question i ask is do we really need it???
I dont see the point after a 6 speed in both manual and auto, plus the rebuild and service cost is abit rich................
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14-06-2011, 09:42 PM
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Lukeyson
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James May argues we don't need vibrating 5-blade shaving razors either. if the 5th blade gets the closest shave, why can't you just get only the 5th blade and sod off all the rest?
I agree with the CVT comment. I can't stand them - and they are setup now to have set points in them anyway. Lukeyson
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15-06-2011, 02:17 AM
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I am Groot
 
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Nothing more than an expensive gimmick for the braggart's...
Just like the 3,5,10,22,33 speed pushbikes..... 
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15-06-2011, 03:53 AM
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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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"It says with the 9sp Auto the car will be sitting at 1900rpm at 120km/h"
It'll be worn out already by the time it hits 9th lol...FFS! |
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