Worst Corporate Image in Australia

[scorpio39]

Hi Folks,
Which company has the worst corporate image in Australia, nominations please !!!

[Wokkas]

The AWU, hands down!

[MITCHAY]

HIH :

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by Wokkas

The AWU, hands down!

That is a very researched opinion....................

Maquirie bank chief earning 35 million per annum is slightly more criminal.

[Mongoose]

Telstra

[SP.UTE1]

The Australian Government. :

[Mongoose]

Originally Posted by SP.UTE1

The Australian Government. :

hahaha, dam, why didnt i think of that...

[Smoke Pursuit]

with so many corporate duds thats a hard one to answer..

[Riksta]

Telstra are pretty bad, they pretend to be our "friends" and doing stuff for the country, but look how far behind we are broadband network wise due to the fact they never really got off their butts and did anything.

[Deadman]

Yeah, another vote for Telstra here. Useless, greedy and tell one lie after another.

Actually, that could describe most politicians to :P

[dave351cid]

my top 5 list

#1 telstra
#2 telstra
#3 telstra
#4 telstra
#5 telstra

the worst company i have ever delt with by far. :

[Mondie]

James Hardie, l think they even make Telstra look respectable.

[GT-E]

TEL$TRA

[Fairlane]

Yeah i was thinking James Hardie too theyd be my no1.

otherwise

Telstra
Rio Tinto

[schnoods]

Transfield - One minute they are telling the blokes of all the upcoming work, then they close the workshop down and aution the gear (including 121 welding machines as well as the rest).

Telstra - just dont give a .

[T_Terror]

James Hardie

Telstra suck bad in the frontline department, i wouldnt say their management is particularly bad.
If they dont want to roll out a new network then who can blame them. Optus' investment was considered a debacle.
A multibillion investment with questionable returns is obviously not going to be put forward at the demands of the government...

[Spizz]

Another vote for Telstra

[Zed7fiddy]

Also Telstra here, also Midas, though not as big as the other companies discussd here

[carnutt]

Banks ?

(sorry , not enough room to list them all)

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by scorpio39

Hi Folks,
Which company has the worst corporate image in Australia, nominations please !!!

It's not a corporation ... but Ford Service fits the description.

[pecker73]

All the Fuel Giants:

Caltex
Mobil Exxon
BP

All trolls......Happy to RAPE the average consumer more times than Telstra!

[flappist]

I love to see all the Telstra bashing because all the others are SOOOOO good.

I do not live in a capital city and want 3G mobile coverage; OPTUS/no, Voda/no, 3/no, Telstra/yes
I do not live in a capital city and want 2G mobile coverage; OPTUS/almost, Voda/yeh right, 3/who?, Telstra/yes
I do not live in a capital city and want ADSL; Everyone except telstra/resold telstra wholesale, TID/Bigpuddle, yes
I do not live in a capital city and want ADSL2+; Widelinx (local boutique ISP)/yes, everyone else except telstra/no, TID/Bigpuddle, yes
I do not live in a capital city and want to make a complaint to a local person in a local office who can and will actually help me (not a franchaised shop with a 17 year old kid trying to sell me extra text messages) about my communications problems; OPTUS/no, Voda/no, 3/no, Telstra, yes

I live in Hervey Bay, a regional city with a strong tourism based economy and one of the fastest growing areas in Australia. I have ADSL2+ @ 14Mb/s, HSDPA @ 4Mb/s and extensive 3G mobile voice/video covereage.
There is no way I could have this other than on Telstra, everyone else refuses to offer these services.

As far as I am concerned Telstra is GREAT.

Originally Posted by flappist

I love to see all the Telstra bashing because all the others are SOOOOO good.

I do not live in a capital city and want 3G mobile coverage; OPTUS/no, Voda/no, 3/no, Telstra/yes
I do not live in a capital city and want 2G mobile coverage; OPTUS/almost, Voda/yeh right, 3/who?, Telstra/yes
I do not live in a capital city and want ADSL; Everyone except telstra/resold telstra wholesale, TID/Bigpuddle, yes
I do not live in a capital city and want ADSL2+; Widelinx (local boutique ISP)/yes, everyone else except telstra/no, TID/Bigpuddle, yes
I do not live in a capital city and want to make a complaint to a local person in a local office who can and will actually help me (not a franchaised shop with a 17 year old kid trying to sell me extra text messages) about my communications problems; OPTUS/no, Voda/no, 3/no, Telstra, yes

I live in Hervey Bay, a regional city with a strong tourism based economy and one of the fastest growing areas in Australia. I have ADSL2+ @ 14Mb/s, HSDPA @ 4Mb/s and extensive 3G mobile voice/video covereage.
There is no way I could have this other than on Telstra, everyone else refuses to offer these services.

As far as I am concerned Telstra is GREAT.

And that is because of Telstra's anti competetive ways! An example of this is Internode/Agile spent so much putting in its own telecommunications and data infrastructure into the Coorong area of South Australia, the day Internode's service came online Telstra lowered thier retail pricing, only for that area, that same day.

When Telstra was privatised they should have split the company - lines and infrastructure - which should have remained government owned, and the actual telecommunications company.

www.tellthetruthtelstra.com for more reading.

[melbzetec]

[QUOTE=BlackLS] When Telstra was privatised they should have split the company - lines and infrastructure - which should have remained government owned, and the actual telecommunications company.[QUOTE]

Yeh!!!!!! someone else believes with what I've been saying for years!!!

[flappist]

Originally Posted by BlackLS

And that is because of Telstra's anti competetive ways! An example of this is Internode/Agile spent so much putting in its own telecommunications and data infrastructure into the Coorong area of South Australia, the day Internode's service came online Telstra lowered thier retail pricing, only for that area, that same day.

When Telstra was privatised they should have split the company - lines and infrastructure - which should have remained government owned, and the actual telecommunications company.

www.tellthetruthtelstra.com for more reading.

Telstra's anti competitive ways? HUH?

They offer a product that isn't cheaper than the others, they offer a product that IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE and if you are the only one there you are the most expensive and worst service (and the cheapest and best service) aren't you?

But then phones are like cars, if you are an anti Ford troll then nothing will ever convice you that Ford might actually do something good will it?

Having lived almost all my life in regional areas, having owned mobile phones since the early 80's when the IMTS system required operator connected calls and having used cellular mobile services employing AMPS, GSM, CDMA, TDMA, WCDMA on 850, 900, 1800, 1900 & 2100Mhz in Australia, Singo, Hong Kong, China, USA, Canada, Mexico, New Zealand and various islands the current NextG offering, despite the buggy first generation handsets and odd glitch is the best one yet.

As far as bad corporate image, there really aren't any I can think of. Unless you are directly exposed to a company you know norhing about them and therefore all you see is positive spin and if you are directly exposed then you view of them is not based on their image.

Telstra, if you hate them it is not because of the image it is for other reasons.
Petrol, yes they are expensive but you still buy a huge petrol guzzling car don't you?
AWU, is very popular with lazy drones but less so with people who actually work.
HIH, who?
QLD Transport, every K over is a dollar, I mean killer......

Originally Posted by flappist

They offer a product that isn't cheaper than the others, they offer a product that IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE

In some areas yes Telstra is a neccesary evil, only because Telstras overcharges other telcos to use Telstra infrastructure. Its very handy when you own the exhanges, lines etc and can pretty much charge other telcos whatever you want.

If infrastrucure was still government owned and all the telcos were on a level playing field, I am next to certain that phone and especially data would quicker, cheaper and more widespread.

Just for Example i was going to get charge $175 to transfer my ADSL2 Service - All that really entails is a guy going to the exchange and switching a few cables

Telstra have a $55 flat fee for cable....If you don't have the wiring in the place your moving too that will also cover a technician to install everything

This is a perfect example showing how Telstra overcharges other telcos to access exchanges/mdfs and has double standards with charges for its own customers.

On top of this its also been a long suspicion of mine that Telstra put their own customers job list in front of serving another Telco's.

But then phones are like cars, if you are an anti Ford troll then nothing will ever convice you that Ford might actually do something good will it?

Not quite, being an anti-Ford troll is an emotive state to be in. My dislike for Telstra is more logical.

Using your example, with the way i understand it, it would be like Holden owning all the roads in Australia, and Ford were forced to pay massive amounts above cost price to Holden to allow Ford to drive on its roads. Meanwhile costs of running a Falcon is 5% of what a Commodore uses and is 10x quicker, but its impossible to drive Falcon outside metro areas as it would cost so much to Ford to pay Holden its rediculous rates in sparcely populated areas. Its an obsurd position to be in yes, but in a nutshell thats exactly whats happening in the Telcos.

I am not an expert nor do I claim to be, but my observations, some past issues and dealings with ISPs, Telstra and telcos in my field of work and what I have read and researched (claims from both sides of the fence) brings me to believe what I believe. There are other things I can go into with Telstra but I'll leave it here.

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by flappist

Telstra's anti competitive ways? HUH?

They offer a product that isn't cheaper than the others, they offer a product that IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE and if you are the only one there you are the most expensive and worst service (and the cheapest and best service) aren't you?

But then phones are like cars, if you are an anti Ford troll then nothing will ever convice you that Ford might actually do something good will it?

Having lived almost all my life in regional areas, having owned mobile phones since the early 80's when the IMTS system required operator connected calls and having used cellular mobile services employing AMPS, GSM, CDMA, TDMA, WCDMA on 850, 900, 1800, 1900 & 2100Mhz in Australia, Singo, Hong Kong, China, USA, Canada, Mexico, New Zealand and various islands the current NextG offering, despite the buggy first generation handsets and odd glitch is the best one yet.

As far as bad corporate image, there really aren't any I can think of. Unless you are directly exposed to a company you know norhing about them and therefore all you see is positive spin and if you are directly exposed then you view of them is not based on their image.

Telstra, if you hate them it is not because of the image it is for other reasons.
Petrol, yes they are expensive but you still buy a huge petrol guzzling car don't you?
AWU, is very popular with lazy drones but less so with people who actually work.
HIH, who?
QLD Transport, every K over is a dollar, I mean killer......

Telstra bashing seems to be a common thread to every site and forum that i happen to stumble across in my journeys throughout cyberspace. There's a common link. As far as im concerned, the continual telstra bashing arises from one reason and one reason only.

Users on internet forums want unlimited internet for $50/month and if it doesnt happen - it's all telstra's fault. Of course it has nothing to do with the limited infrastructure available to get data in and out of the continent. Nothing what so ever

It never ceases to amaze me how far people's conspiracy theories against telco and government will go, all because they want to be able to download pirated materials from torrents 24/7 (NO - it's not linux distributions lol).

Reserve Bank

Cor that's a bit rough, what have glen the boys done? lol. If you got a beef with the RBA's decisions, fix your interest rate

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Telstra bashing seems to be a common thread to every site and forum that i happen to stumble across in my journeys throughout cyberspace. There's a common link. As far as im concerned, the continual telstra bashing arises from one reason and one reason only.

Users on internet forums want unlimited internet for $50/month and if it doesnt happen - it's all telstra's fault. Of course it has nothing to do with the limited infrastructure available to get data in and out of the continent. Nothing what so ever

It never ceases to amaze me how far people's conspiracy theories against telco and government will go, all because they want to be able to download pirated materials from torrents 24/7 (NO - it's not linux distributions lol).

Cor that's a bit rough, what have glen the boys done? lol. If you got a beef with the RBA's decisions, fix your interest rate

Its usually "monkey see monkey do" when it comes to corporate bashing like this, most do it because others do it so it must be right......
Ive had good experiences with Telstra, generally speaking they have excellent products and sevice, you pay a premium, but you get a better more reliable result.

[clontarf_x]

Originally Posted by flappist

Telstra's anti competitive ways? HUH?

Read the news lately? ACCC told them to reduce their wholesale pricing because it was considered anti-competitive. To counter this loss, T increased their wholesale local call rates. Don't believe their propoganda BS...

They offer a product that isn't cheaper than the others, they offer a product that IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE and if you are the only one there you are the most expensive and worst service (and the cheapest and best service) aren't you?

To compare, iiNet/Agile were the first people to build a nationwide ADSL2+ network, something Telstra refused to do. Only after ADSL2+ gained footing, Telstra enabled ADSL2+ only in exchanges where competitors are currently selling it. So, in short, they screwed over anyone they COULD supply ADSL2+ to and aimed at the exchanges with competition already up and running.

But then phones are like cars, if you are an anti Ford troll then nothing will ever convice you that Ford might actually do something good will it?

Since Telstra was privatised nothing good has come out of it, and it hasn't lead in ANYTHING telecommunications wise. It was second to both Optus and Hutchinson for G3 and iiNet/Agile for ADSL2+. More recently they only just decided to "upgrade australias national infrastructure" when Optus/Singtel forwarded their plans to the Government

Having lived almost all my life in regional areas, having owned mobile phones since the early 80's when the

There were no other competitors back then. It was also government back then. Times have changed.

As far as bad corporate image, there really aren't any I can think of.

Anti-competitiveness. That's a fairly bad corporate image to have...

Everything I have said so far is just from the ISP side of their business. I could rant on about their currently handling of their telecommunications infrastructure if I wanted to but that would deserve it's own thread.

So, as for the threads original question

1) Telstra
2) Liberal Government (Federal)

They just seem outdated. That combined with their attacks on the new Labor leader having almost no effect with public opinions. Not doing too well at all :P

[flappist]

Originally Posted by clontarf_x

Read the news lately? ACCC told them to reduce their wholesale pricing because it was considered anti-competitive. To counter this loss, T increased their wholesale local call rates. Don't believe their propoganda BS...



To compare, iiNet/Agile were the first people to build a nationwide ADSL2+ network, something Telstra refused to do. Only after ADSL2+ gained footing, Telstra enabled ADSL2+ only in exchanges where competitors are currently selling it. So, in short, they screwed over anyone they COULD supply ADSL2+ to and aimed at the exchanges with competition already up and running.



Since Telstra was privatised nothing good has come out of it, and it hasn't lead in ANYTHING telecommunications wise. It was second to both Optus and Hutchinson for G3 and iiNet/Agile for ADSL2+. More recently they only just decided to "upgrade australias national infrastructure" when Optus/Singtel forwarded their plans to the Government



There were no other competitors back then. It was also government back then. Times have changed.

Anti-competitiveness. That's a fairly bad corporate image to have...

Everything I have said so far is just from the ISP side of their business. I could rant on about their currently handling of their telecommunications infrastructure if I wanted to but that would deserve it's own thread.

So, as for the threads original question

1) Telstra
2) Liberal Government (Federal)

They just seem outdated. That combined with their attacks on the new Labor leader having almost no effect with public opinions. Not doing too well at all :P

Well luckily you are now old enough to vote so you can save us all..........