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A few times at the drags when shooting the breeze with people about their cars they say they have run their setup for over 100 passes??
Are they trying to say its some sort of reliable / tough setup? If a street registered car what sort of statement is that? 100 passes is equivalent to under 50km.. And they would only do 5-6 passes max on a particular night. (Not Counting the return trip that is done at 10km/h) so it isn't back to back. Isn't that sort of statement a little silly to confirm their setup as reliable? Would one pass be tougher on the car than driving a whole week doing daily duties? Or driving 100km up the highway in one run? Most cars do 200000km before giving up so why would 100 passes down the quarter mile mean much? What is the relevance of this statement? |
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Peter Car
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100 full power launches. Think about it. Sheesh.
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the more you stress the engine, the more you stress the engine. Think about it like this, it takes slow dripping water millions of years to form a mountain/rock face, now go get a high cleaner n blast it at the rocks, bet ya doesn't take a high pressure water blaster millions of years to form the rock!
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I saw a rock once...
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Hmmm
so if you buy a bog stock brand new falcon and after you have run it, you then run it down the quarter for a hundred passes, your saying this car with 50km on it is worse than a car driven for million of years? Lol a new ford would have almost no wear after 100 passes but people try and carry on about their used cars that have run 100 passes. They carry it round like a badge of honour that their car has held together.. its funny isnt it. 50km use..lol |
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No my point is just the opposite.. modded cars arent built reliably and cant match stock cars for taking a beating. Even running 100 passes (or 50km flat chat) shouldnt be a badge of honour validating mods..
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It's the extra load sticky tyres, more power and torque make. What exactly is your point?
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I want my sixty seconds back!
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I normally don't mind the normal hulk threads but this ones all sort of stupid.
Especially in high powered cars 1/4 mile runs are brutal on cars, they either get no warm up time, or sit in the staging lanes for hours with heat soak running amuck Then you do a (not so little) burnout to heat up those street tyres (mostly unnecessarily), stall it up on the brakes and wait for an eternity for the dude in the other lane to stage, then mash the accelerator on the last yellow keeping it absolutely pegged for at least 400m then it's the exact opposite, hard on the brakes (those nice cold brakes that haven't done anything in maybe hours) to make the exit lane turn... Then make your way back to the staging lanes and repeat.... Yup, nowhere near as brutal as daily driving. |
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No doubt its hard on the car but for 10-15 seconds?
So running a pass down the quarter mile = how many daily drive km? also what is the conversion to police km? Lol |
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I think i'm actually dumber for reading this thread.
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If the car is stock or near stock I see no real stress on engine or trans, but start adding 100 plus pony's to a engine that wasn't built for it then the stress will up............Simples
Wear and tear on drive line is another story, use my car as an example: 74000km on the od has done a little over 300 passes in eight years.......now on my 5th clutch and broke two T5 gear boxes before I found a well priced (used) T56 conversion.............If this car never saw a drag strip It would most certainly still have the same clutch and gear box it left Broadmedows with way back in 2002.
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But modded cars struggle to hold together for even 100 passes or 50km of work. Not many modded cars would handle what the police would dish up. |
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Not trying to be mean Hulk, but you must have zero mechanical aptitude.
Next time you are at the drags, stand right where cars launch and watch. Watch and think about what is actually happening through the driveline, down to the tyres and onto the track. Inertia vs force is literally trying to break every single link in the chain that takes revolutions of the engine crank to forward motion of the vehicle. |
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Maybe you could attend here & show us all?
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11414409 |
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My point is some people will run their cars for a mid 10 but next pass blow up the motor.. is that really a 10 second car if it was lucky to hold together the first pass??
even after a hundred passes i wouldnt call it a 10 second car until it proves itself reliable.. not after one lucky pass. (It needs a few years of trouble free km under a variety of conditions) |
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You still call that reliable?... No you call it a pie-cooker that overheats and breaks down. Brain at 98% and falling |
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more than a few cars turn up every year to the drag nats for 1 or 2 passes to then be towed away. its crazy isnt it? |
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What are you trying to prove Hulk? Or are you just trying to insult forum members here who enjoy modifying their cars and using them on a drag strip? It's their choice and you're in no position to be calling them crazy.
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or setup has run 100 passes "reliable"
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So if 100 passes isn't reliable in the hulk world... what is?
Doing 100,000km of street driving won't prove anything, you could do that in a 600kw car with a stock driveline as long as you don't put your foot down.
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Driving a car daily at normal restricted speeds without taking off at WOT at every set of lights - is within its intended purpose. One would expect that with regular servicing and maintenance - you would see 2 - 300,000 Klms - Is that reliable - YES - is it expected - YES. Is thrashing the $%^& out of your car at the drags its intended purpose - NO ( unless you have extensively modified it to suit ). Is 100 passes with mostly stock parts reliable - YOUBETCHYA. Its also a good measure on which aftermarket parts work better than others when coupled with other parts etc etc. |
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however, If your intended purpose is drags and full throttle launches then why mod the car to not be able to reliably handle this scenario?? funny isnt it? 100 passes is no test for reliability. |
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