Want Proof Speed Cameras are nothing more than Revenue Raisers??

[csv8]

"THE Palaszczuk Government is banking on a fines and forfeiture bonanza to raise an extra $82 million this financial year.

And with police to receive an extra $16.3 million for new fixed and mobile speed cameras, that figure could be even higher."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1227441913107
My Comment : I have nothing against speed cameras only how they are used..If they are used as originally intended, ok. But they are not....

[simon varley]

as long as the revenue is included in the budget they cannot be about road safety. If that was truly the intent, then the forecast income should be $0

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by simon varley

as long as the revenue is included in the budget they cannot be about road safety. If that was truly the intent, then the forecast income should be $0

But the Government is smart enough to know that the general population is stupid and don't pay attention to the road around them, anyone that has an ounce of intelligence and even casually takes note of their surroundings when driving will never pay a speed camera fine.

I average 1400-2000km per week of driving every week and generally spot a speed camera miles before you ever get to it.

The way I see it if you get caught by a speed camera you deserve to pay, as obviously you were speeding AND not paying attention to what is right in front of you, the sort of driver I really don't want to be sharing the road with.

[Tom Tucker]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

The way I see it if you get caught by a speed camera you deserve to pay, as obviously you were speeding AND not paying attention to what is right in front of you, the sort of driver I really don't want to be sharing the road with.

We're very far apart on this one.

I've never been caught by a speed camera, but self rightiousness doesn't interfere with my contempt for the principles involved here.

This is a case of a government using tax payer money to fund improvements to an optional road user tax, by making it less optional. And they're calling the scheme "road safety", as if they're doing the community a favor. It's absurd

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Tom Tucker

We're very far apart on this one.

I've never been caught by a speed camera, but self rightiousness doesn't interfere with my contempt for the principles involved here.

This is a case of a government using tax payer money to fund improvements to an optional road user tax, by making it less optional. And they're calling the scheme "road safety", as if they're doing the community a favor. It's absurd

There are no principles at work, I think most people read too much into it, and some commenters probably get around in tin foil hats.

They are a device installed in an attempt to control a problem, the camera detects inattentive speeding drivers and issues them with monetary fines.

Inattentive and speeding is a very dangerous combination IMO.

People can still be happily speeding along and pay attention to the road and never get caught. I am quite happy for these cameras as they catch people who probably should not be on the road anyway, remember you have to be doing at least TWO things wrong to be caught and fined, the most important IMO is not the speeding itself, but being so inattentive to the road while speeding that you don't see what is right in front of you. I bet they could put flashing amber lights and neon signs with speed cameras and people would still get caught and complain about it

The complainers call them revenue raisers, What else are they supposed to do?? Ok, lets not fine people, lets just take their license away, what would people say then?? Or may be send them a letter to present themselves in the town square to receive ten lashes with a cat of nine tails

I would rather inattentive and law breaking drivers pay these fines than me having to pay more income tax, This way I get a choice whether or not I want to make additional contributions to the Governments income...I choose no.....its an easy decision and a no brainer for me, many others obviously feel happy to make extra contributions and pay the stupidity tax.

At the end of the day every person is in control of their own actions and when you do get fined it is your own personal actions and decisions that have caused your situation, no one else is at fault no matter how much you try to blame others for your situation.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

There are no principles at work, I think most people read too much into it, and some commenters probably get around in tin foil hats.

They are a device installed in an attempt to control a problem, the camera detects inattentive speeding drivers and issues them with monetary fines.

Inattentive and speeding is a very dangerous combination IMO.

People can still be happily speeding along and pay attention to the road and never get caught. I am quite happy for these cameras as they catch people who probably should not be on the road anyway, remember you have to be doing at least TWO things wrong to be caught and fined, the most important IMO is not the speeding itself, but being so inattentive to the road while speeding that you don't see what is right in front of you. I bet they could put flashing amber lights and neon signs with speed cameras and people would still get caught and complain about it

The complainers call them revenue raisers, What else are they supposed to do?? Ok, lets not fine people, lets just take their license away, what would people say then?? Or may be send them a letter to present themselves in the town square to receive ten lashes with a cat of nine tails

I would rather inattentive and law breaking drivers pay these fines than me having to pay more income tax, This way I get a choice whether or not I want to make additional contributions to the Governments income...I choose no.....its an easy decision and a no brainer for me, many others obviously feel happy to make extra contributions and pay the stupidity tax.

At the end of the day every person is in control of their own actions and when you do get fined it is your own personal actions and decisions that have caused your situation, no one else is at fault no matter how much you try to blame others for your situation.

This would be all well & good IF the speed limits were appropriate for the circumstance & road condition, but they are far from it.

Also, the fines them selves are way out of proportion to the offence committed.

I believe in making fines realistic, not burning someone several days pay for speeding a small amount over the limit. I think that demerit points are more effective.

I'm sure if you had been driving in Sydney with your "I've never gone over the speed limit in my life" attitude, you would be easily caught out.

Since they've put the mobile speed cameras out to private tender, the lines are very much blurred on getting caught. Their standard stunt is to find an area where the limit is artificially low & the park their vehicle or "rearrange" some tree branches, so that the speed limit sign cannot be seen. They then park their car obscurely & not put their signs where they should. Who's going to go thru the court system to fight that.

Any driver not familiar with that particular street & not being the sign will wrongly assume that it's a 60 or 80 km/h zone, much the same as the surrounding area. But of course it's a 50 or 40 zone, so your a gonna.

I've got a good driving record of over 45 years, with currently no demerit points, but I could be caught with that scenario, as many people have.

Dr Terry

[noflac52]

[QUOTE=XB GS 351 Coupe;5437988]There are no principles at work, I think most people read too much into it, and some commenters probably get around in tin foil hats.

There are always principles involved when a government imposes taxes and levies on a population and the main principle here is that this tax is rather fraudulent because it is disguised as " road safety" which in the majority of incidents its is clearly not.

You are missing the point when you go on about how drivers are fined for speeding because they are not paying attention. Its not the fact that drivers are being caught out that is relevant it is the fact that they are paying fines under false pretences that is the debate here.

Just because you think that these drivers are stupid and you are not does not in anyway make the fraudulent practice of fining people under the present system right.

It actually has very little to do with the way people drive it has everything to do with using the motoring public as a cash cow under false pretences.

There are some very important principles involved here!

[blackf6]

All the fines should be put towards road safety campaigns and driver training in schools, then the whole system would have credibility.

[mtbkym01]

Australian Police would make a killing here in Canada, on the highways/freeways here, most seem to do ATLEAST 20km/h above the posted limits, took a while to get used to it, now I hope I don't follow the trend back home in a week

[cheap]

And when the coppers fail to met the revenue targets, they will reduce the tolerances to 0 km/hr.

[kaniSS]

Originally Posted by mtbkym01

Australian Police would make a killing here in Canada, on the highways/freeways here, most seem to do ATLEAST 20km/h above the posted limits, took a while to get used to it, now I hope I don't follow the trend back home in a week

Australian Police and governments are already making a killing.

[Mowdit]

Originally Posted by DeJaVu GT

All the fines should be put towards road safety campaigns and driver training in schools, then the whole system would have credibility.

And improving roads in know risk area's

Tolerances should be raised, not reduced.
Catching a fool speeding and being a high risk is one thing, booking Nana for keeping up with traffic flow at 3kph over is a rort

In Australia our political system sux, they ALL should be sacked.
Show your disgust next election, DONT VOTE (or donkey it) !!!!

[Tom Tucker]

This is straight up misappropriation of law enforcement by a fascist government with an outrageous attitude towards the citizens and road users it's meant to serve.

How is this sort of **** even constitutional?

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by Tom Tucker

This is straight up misappropriation of law enforcement by a fascist government with an outrageous attitude towards the citizens and road users it's meant to serve.

How is this sort of **** even constitutional?

Ollie agrees Tom.

[Tom Tucker]

Thanks Ollie.

Up next, the explosion in sales of push bikes, the faster way to travel thousands of kilometres around Australia whilst staying out of prison.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Mowdit

Show your disgust next election, DONT VOTE (or donkey it) !!!!

Your advice exhibits a clear and complete misunderstanding of the consequences of a donkey vote

Best way to ensure that you don't get the best outcome is a donkey vote.

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by csv8

"THE Palaszczuk Government is banking on a fines and forfeiture bonanza to raise an extra $82 million this financial year.

And with police to receive an extra $16.3 million for new fixed and mobile speed cameras, that figure could be even higher."
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1227441913107
My Comment : I have nothing against speed cameras only how they are used..If they are used as originally intended, ok. But they are not....

My agreement with you about these revenue raising cameras is confirmed in the many threads on this subject.
But going off on a tangent now, I have to say I am disgusted that the present Premier of Qld has convinced the media that her Chardonnay Left name is pronounced "Pallachais". The correct Polish pronunciation is "Pallachuck".

[b0son]

Palashchook.... I can't see how the hell it could ever be Pallachais. Was she taking the ****?

[tapeworm]

Would prefer to make my donations to charity rather than the Gov. This would be another way to move away from the revenue raising fact it is now

[lucas2]

Except for Victoria where our mobile speed cameras are much more covert than other states. After a while you learn to slow down when you spot any Captiva, Outlander, VE/F wagon and occasional Territory parked on the side of the road.

[LTDHO]

It's nothing new. The public have accepted this, no matter how hard the government forces "Safety Camera" at us.

The strange thing is, when watching "highway patrol", I am surprised the penalties for a lot of driving infringements are so low. These are fines that actually required an officer or two. Not very economical!

[csv8]

Pedro..Pallachais". sounds better than "Pallachuck".!!!!!

[Harrison]

Yeah but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQaOSgf7uk4

[Dr Terry]

What only $82 million for the whole state ? Your coppers aren't trying hard enough.

The Sydney City Council that governs the CDB only, plus a few small inner city areas got $79 million in parking fines alone last year, plus another $80 million for parking fees & licenses for inner city parking areas.

I realise that one is speed revenue & the other is parking, but the I find comparison amazing.

We have 3 different types of speed traps in NSW, I don't know what the earn is, for all 3 combined, but it would be in the 100s of $millions.

Dr Terry

[Trevor 57]

I got an idea on how you can **** up their budget hehehehehe - don't speed.

[You Yangs]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I got an idea on how you can **** up their budget hehehehehe - don't speed.

Trev wins at the internet today, close thread now.
Simple problem solving is remove the root cause, if you don't speed then you remove the root cause of the problem.
Problem solved means nothing to complain about, only people who complain about speed cameras are the ones who get caught!!!

[steve.zissou]

Originally Posted by You Yangs

Trev wins at the internet today, close thread now.
Simple problem solving is remove the root cause, if you don't speed then you remove the root cause of the problem.
Problem solved means nothing to complain about, only people who complain about speed cameras are the ones who get caught!!!

wrong !!!!!

because we seem to be following down the same solcialist utopia path that has done so much for spain/ greece and italy. we will probably do the same regarding drivers that slow down too much
http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/news.asp?ID=3523

I'd like to see the adds for fines that target people that slow down too much like spain.

Speeding kills, every km counts * except in circumstances where it doesn't and going to slow kills.

Then after that doesnt work they will probably just fine every body an average of $300 a year in anticipation of them speeding

I like driving in the US - 20 km over the limit was no problem and traffic flow was great. Every one wasnt riding every one else's **** because they want to go 1 km/h faster like they do in melbourne (although every single person seems to text on their phone)

[csv8]

Minions!!!

[Sprint]

Originally Posted by You Yangs

Trev wins at the internet today, close thread now.
Simple problem solving is remove the root cause, if you don't speed then you remove the root cause of the problem.
Problem solved means nothing to complain about, only people who complain about speed cameras are the ones who get caught!!!

We did that and the tolerance got lower and lower, 3kms at the moment isn't it?, If we were all good they would just target the 1km over, or jump on other non issues like distraction etc.

The system relies on money, the money has to come from somewhere!, don't think the governments or fat police will let the system die, it only gets bigger. Cant wait until we are all slaves and have a chip in out brain, then they can get us for thinking about speeding before it happens.

[joolz]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I got an idea on how you can **** up their budget hehehehehe - don't speed.

People have been slowing down. But what does the GovCo do? Reduce limits further. I have only seen over the past 2 decades a reduction on major arterials across Melbourne. Funny enough most of these major roads have fixed speed cameras. Princess Hwy, Stud Rd and Springvale Rd just to name a few. Went for a drive Saturday inbound on the Monash FWY. Just before the new cameras at High St the speed was reduced to 80 from 100 for no reason. No breakdowns, hazards nor any signs saying anything about hazards. Too bad if you didn't notice the speed reduction as you will be losing 3 points and 2-3 days pay going to GovCo...