Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated.

Go Back   Australian Ford Forums > General Topics > The Pub

The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 19-05-2016, 01:29 AM   #1
Crazy Dazz
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Perth, Northern Suburbs
Posts: 5,035
Default White Smoke = Water?

So, after sitting all day in the car park, when started, my daughter's car starts billowing white smoke.
However, after being idled for a while, then left to cool, and re-started, no sign of anything unusual.

To me, white smoke means water (coolant) being burnt.
So I'm thinking: Car driven to work, gets nice and hot, under pressure head-gasket starts to leak. When car is parked, continues to leak under pressure and builds up in cylinder. Car is started, burns off coolant and eventually purges all from exhaust. Engine turned off, not too hot, so no further leakage. Starts fine next time round.

The coolant looks fine, as does the oil. The coolant level was still ok.

So, with the engine cold we have topped the coolant to a precise level. Will drive the car to work, park it up, then check the level in the evening when its cold again.

It's also possible that it was simply a bunch of condensation after being driven and then parked on a cold day.

Am I missing anything?
Any other possible culprits for white smoke?

NB: It is a Nissan Tiida, with a typical, disposable, Thailand engine. So it's not improbable that the gasket or head has started to dissolve.
__________________
2024
Making Whine from the Tears of Hippies
Crazy Dazz is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 05:53 AM   #2
russellw
Chairman & Administrator
Donating Member3
 
russellw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: 1975
Posts: 107,527
Community Builder: In recognition of those who have helped build the AFF community. - Issue reason: Raptor: For Continued, and prolonged service to the wider Ford Community 
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

I think you are on the right track for the initial diagnosis although if it is using neither water or oil then it is going to be harder to diagnose.

Cheers
Russ
__________________

__________________________________________________

Observatio Facta Rotae


russellw is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 09:40 AM   #3
whitelion65
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
whitelion65's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 983
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Auto-trans fluid?? Pulled in via the manifold vacuum line.??
__________________
Steve
Current rides
2012 Mondeo Titanium wagon (TDCI)
Moondust silver
2016 Focus Trend, 1.5ecoboost, 6sp manual.
Frozen white

Previous
2004 Berlina Wagon (LS1) Vespers Blue
1995 Camry 2.2, white
1971 Ford Fairmont wagon 302w, C4 Polar white
1971 TC Cortina, 2L 4sp, Ermine white
whitelion65 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 11:51 AM   #4
11ford11
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: NSW
Posts: 1,610
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

does it disappear quickly (water) or hang in the air for awhile (oil) -
trans. oil as mentioned by whitelion65
11ford11 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 11:58 AM   #5
falconhell74
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
falconhell74's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Serpentine W.A.
Posts: 1,639
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

How cold is it out side temp? It just sounds like condensation in the exhaust as you haven't mentioned that it is hard to start or runs rough till it dissipates.
If it was a head gasket issue it would run rough and have bubbles in the cooling system .
__________________
XC GS OLD SCHOOL MUSCLE

Audi A4 S-line quttro
Xc falcon
Previous fords-
xc falcon 500 ,250 x flow 3 speed
xc gs worked 250 x flow 4 speed
xa Fairmont 302 auto wagon
xb falcon 250 log auto 4 door
xb falcon 200 log auto ute
xc gs project - had to sell :-(
xc gs 302 4 speed 4 door
xc gs 351 auto 4 door
zf fairlane 302 auto
zk fairlane 250 x flow carb auto
zl fairlane 250 x flow EFI auto
xg ute , BA falcon dedicated gas
xd, xf x 3 ,ea,eb,ef,au x 3,telstar tx5
falconhell74 is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 19-05-2016, 12:04 PM   #6
Silver Ghia
Moderator
Donating Member3
 
Silver Ghia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Foothills of the Macedon Ranges
Posts: 18,606
Technical Contributor: For members who share their technical expertise. - Issue reason: As Silver Ghia his contributions to the AU and BA technical areas have been of high quality and valuable to the member base. 
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Most likely just condensation in the exhaust system.
Silver Ghia is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 12:18 PM   #7
Pis-ton broke
Banned
 
Pis-ton broke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,621
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

might be the valve stem seals/guides. take it down a big hill and see if it blows smoke then. if it does, might need to look into getting them replaced
Pis-ton broke is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Old 19-05-2016, 01:19 PM   #8
Olbucko
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Olbucko's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Central Tablelands. NSW
Posts: 894
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Most cars blow clouds of condensation from the exhaust on a very cold day when they are dead cold, it's only water vapour.
__________________
Don't try and teach a pig to sing, it just wastes your time and annoys the pig.
Olbucko is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 06:56 PM   #9
XB GS 351 Coupe
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Mid North Coast
Posts: 6,443
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz View Post
So, after sitting all day in the car park, when started, my daughter's car starts billowing white smoke.
However, after being idled for a while, then left to cool, and re-started, no sign of anything unusual.

To me, white smoke means water (coolant) being burnt.
So I'm thinking: Car driven to work, gets nice and hot, under pressure head-gasket starts to leak. When car is parked, continues to leak under pressure and builds up in cylinder. Car is started, burns off coolant and eventually purges all from exhaust. Engine turned off, not too hot, so no further leakage. Starts fine next time round.

The coolant looks fine, as does the oil. The coolant level was still ok.

So, with the engine cold we have topped the coolant to a precise level. Will drive the car to work, park it up, then check the level in the evening when its cold again.

It's also possible that it was simply a bunch of condensation after being driven and then parked on a cold day.

Am I missing anything?
Any other possible culprits for white smoke?

NB: It is a Nissan Tiida, with a typical, disposable, Thailand engine. So it's not improbable that the gasket or head has started to dissolve.
You have answered your own question. It's just condensation in the exhaust burning off, all cars do it, second time around no condensation so no white smoke.
__________________
The Daily Driver : '98 EL Falcon, 5 Speed , 3.45 lsd

The Week End Bruiser : FPV BF GT 40th Anniversary, 6 Speed Manual, 6/4 Brembo and lots of Herrod goodies

Project 1 : '75 XB GS 351 Ute, Toploader, 9" with 3.5's

Project 2 : '74 XB GS Big Block Coupe, Toploader, 9" with 4.11's

In Storage : '74 XB GS 351 Fairmont Sedan



XB Falcon Owners Group



Mike's Man Cave


XB GS 351 Coupe is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 19-05-2016, 09:09 PM   #10
ea90gl
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
ea90gl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Adelaide SA
Posts: 1,255
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Hopefully for your self it is only just a matter of water evaporation due to the colder weather.

In saying this, and I don't mean to worry you, I once repaired a 92 Ford laser which had similar symptoms as you have described. It would blow white smoke on start up after being stationary for a while with no other symptoms of any head issues (rough idle/ running, milky engine oil, bubbles in radiator whilst running etc).

Once the head was removed it definitely revealed that the head gasket was faulty so that ended up having to be replaced and finally resolved the issue.

However as you have mentioned, just top up all relevant fluids and see how things go over time. If you notice that no fluids are getting low down the track then you should be fine
ea90gl is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
2 users like this post:
Old 21-05-2016, 12:46 PM   #11
castellan
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,215
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Quote:
Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe View Post
You have answered your own question. It's just condensation in the exhaust burning off, all cars do it, second time around no condensation so no white smoke.
Running E10 seems to do that more so as well on cold days.
castellan is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 21-05-2016, 02:04 AM   #12
Crazy Dazz
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Perth, Northern Suburbs
Posts: 5,035
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Thanks everyone.
So far, it has impossible to substantiate any coolant loss, or replicate the problem to any significant degree.
Will keep monitoring the coolant, but fingers-crossed it was just some freak confluence of weather and condensation.
__________________
2024
Making Whine from the Tears of Hippies
Crazy Dazz is online now   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
Old 21-05-2016, 01:01 PM   #13
arronm
BA/F6 BF/F6 SSV/R TTG
 
arronm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Perth
Posts: 7,251
Default Re: White Smoke = Water?

Best sell it and get her a ford.
__________________
BA BF FPV starter button repairs. PM me.


Nizpro equipped and Tuned by the BEST in the west
Xtreme Ford Tuning

479RwKw Fuel limited, more pumps and power too come.

F6#0507 & #0639 Pro racer and Tech expert

NIZPRO modifying falcons like Premcar can only dream of , see VIDEO below.
https://youtu.be/oa4IfguGQ-A
arronm is offline   Reply With Quote Multi-Quote with this Post
This user likes this post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +11. The time now is 11:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Other than what is legally copyrighted by the respective owners, this site is copyright www.fordforums.com.au
Positive SSL