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[Laminge]

6 and 8 Cyl cars
Rules and criteria.

Factory Stock.
Cars are to be run as purchased.
No mods with standard tyres.
Tyres can be replaced with same tyre equivalent.

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed.
Must stay N/A.
Must run 98 octane fuel.
Un opened engines.
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed.
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards)
All body parts must stay intact.
No removal of exhaust components.
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed.
Must run Cats.
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Diff Changes

Pro Street.
Same rules as Performance Street but any tires and rim configuration allowed. Slicks or DOT tyres. No limit. Must retain standard wheel arches.
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Cubic Engine changes in this section
Cam Changes allowed
Diff Changes allowed

Outlaw Street.
All mechanical restrictions removed.
No body mods allowed or chassis hanges.
All forms of power adders allowed. (Turbo’s S/C NO2).

Turbo 6

Factory Stock
Cars are to be run as purchased.
No mods with standard tyres.
Tyres can be replaced with same tyre equivalent.

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed.
Must run 98 octane fuel.
Unopened engines.
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed.
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards)
All body parts must stay intact.
No removal of exhaust components.
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. Must run Cats.
No Diff Changes


Pro Street.
Same rules as Performance Street but any tires and rim configuration allowed.
Slicks or DOT tyres. No limit.
Must retain standard wheel arches.
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Cubic Engine changes in this section
Cam Changes allowed
Diff Changes Allowed

Outlaw Street.
All mechanical restrictions removed.
No body mods allowed or chassis hanges.
All forms of power adders allowed. (Turbo’s S/C NO2).


Other catergories
Drag Setup Cars

X Series ?


All states must have a member of the FF.au team that is acknowledged as being qualified to scrutineer cars to be allegeable. Once car has been qualified and placed in class all times recorded and shown with time slip will be recognised.

There will be an end of the year special Drag Day In Melbourne, and run with other states if required, still to be determined.

AT the end of each year thee will be National award and competition day.

Hi All

Just to qualify times and standards, the above guidlines have been developed to run a uniform system for each state.

Each states event section will have an Events section for posting of times over the next couple of days.

Have a read people and coment please, tah

[Casper]

Interesting. Just one question though. Does "Un opened engines" mean no changes to cams?
Technically a cam change is opening the engine and replacing a part but its so common now that its hard to say if it is really a major change even though it does have a major effect.

[Laminge]

Changes made

Please remeber this is an honesty system as well, we are all here to have fun

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by Laminge

Changes made

Please remeber this is an honesty system as well, we are all here to have fun

i Agree Fun is the major factor here, if there is no fun its not worth doing..
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What year did cats become compulsory by law for car manufactors to fit to cars..

[Xtreme F6]

looks good minge

[Work Horse]

There has to be lines drawn in the sand somewhere. And I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this Laminge. But someone will always whinge.
So let me start :hihi:
It strikes me that the rules have been drafted with late model Fords in mind.
If there is an "unopened" Cleveland getting around the streets it's got plenty of km's on it.
"Must run cats" I would add where fitted.
The "standard manifold" on a Windsor or Cleveland is a much larger handicap than on an XR8
Perhaps we could have some sort of age based modification allowance?
I will think on this more and try and come up with some idea instead of just whining :

[Fordy]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

There has to be lines drawn in the sand somewhere. And I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this Laminge. But someone will always whinge.
So let me start :hihi:
It strikes me that the rules have been drafted with late model Fords in mind.
If there is an "unopened" Cleveland getting around the streets it's got plenty of km's on it.
"Must run cats" I would add where fitted.
The "standard manifold" on a Windsor or Cleveland is a much larger handicap than on an XR8
Perhaps we could have some sort of age based modification allowance?
I will think on this more and try and come up with some idea instead of just whining :

Yeah good points, i think the earlier model cars, that have been modified should come under pro street, but it should allow cubic engine change and engine to be opened up, but keep everything else, this will still cater for later model cars that have gone that extra bit further aswell.

my 1.5 cents.

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

There has to be lines drawn in the sand somewhere. And I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this Laminge. But someone will always whinge.
So let me start :hihi:
It strikes me that the rules have been drafted with late model Fords in mind.
If there is an "unopened" Cleveland getting around the streets it's got plenty of km's on it.
"Must run cats" I would add where fitted.
The "standard manifold" on a Windsor or Cleveland is a much larger handicap than on an XR8
Perhaps we could have some sort of age based modification allowance?
I will think on this more and try and come up with some idea instead of just whining :

My thoughts exactly.

Okay, here is a few ideas. As Work Horse said, In classes where it says MUST RUN CATS, make it MUST RUN CATS WHERE LEGALLY REQUIRED (IE 1986 and after cars).

I also don't like the idea of running X series cars in different classes to E Series / AU / BA. I think there is someway you can run them toghether.

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed. (Agreed)
Must stay N/A. (Agreed)
Must run 98 octane fuel. (Agreed)
Un opened engines. (How about Standard Rebuilt)
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed. (Reword to Include Carburettors)
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) (Agreed)
All body parts must stay intact. (Agreed)
No removal of exhaust components. (I assume you mean "Dropped Pipes")
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. (Agreed)
Must run Cats. (Where Required)
No body mods allowed or chassis changes. (Agreed)
No Diff Changes (Please clarify if a Ratio Change is included in this)

Will post more ideas later. Thanks for everyones input.

[Work Horse]

Here's my ideas so earlier models can play with everyone else on a levelish playing field. Changes for X series or pre 1986 in Red

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed.
Must stay N/A.
Must run 98 octane fuel.
Un opened engines.
Engine must be factory fitted or an option. Eg 351 in XD yes 460 in cortina no.
Engines may be modified but no roller cams,stroker cranks or aftermarket heads
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed.
Any single 4 barrel and after market manifold that fits under a standard bonnet. Shakers ok no high rise manifolds tunnel rams multi carbs etc
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards)
All body parts must stay intact.
No removal of exhaust components.
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed.
Must run Cats.
Where factoy fitted
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Diff Changes
Factory diffs any ratio

I would leave the other classes as they are.
Rods pursuit would be leading the Performance street class as it stands, so it will take mid 12's to be competitive. I don't believe my suggestions go too far, what do others think?

outback_ute you should run the 8 plys and fill BOTH petrol tanks, wear a really big hat over your crash helmet and get one of those canvas water bags for the bullbar, thats closer to stock John :hihi:

[Work Horse]

I could not agree more that you will not please everyone, all you can do is try your best. I'm sure that is all you are trying to do. No one is saying your rules are shit, far from it. You may be mistaking other peoples ideas as criticism, not so.
I posted this earlier without much detail. I could add much if most people are interested in everyone competeing. If it's just me and a few others I will not bother and stop confusing an otherwise great idea you have.

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Here's my ideas so earlier models can play with everyone else on a levelish playing field. Changes for X series or pre 1986 in Red

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed.
Must stay N/A.
Must run 98 octane fuel.
Un opened engines.
Engine must be factory fitted or an option. Eg 351 in XD yes 460 in cortina no.
Engines may be modified but no roller cams,stroker cranks or aftermarket heads
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed.
Any single 4 barrel and after market manifold that fits under a standard bonnet. Shakers ok no high rise manifolds tunnel rams multi carbs etc
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards)
All body parts must stay intact.
No removal of exhaust components.
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed.
Must run Cats.
Where factoy fitted
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Diff Changes
Factory diffs any ratio

I would leave the other classes as they are.
Rods pursuit would be leading the Performance street class as it stands, so it will take mid 12's to be competitive. I don't believe my suggestions go too far, what do others think?

outback_ute you should run the 8 plys and fill BOTH petrol tanks, wear a really big hat over your crash helmet and get one of those canvas water bags for the bullbar, thats closer to stock John :hihi:

[Xtreme F6]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Here's my ideas so earlier models can play with everyone else on a levelish playing field. Changes for X series or pre 1986 in Red

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed.
Must stay N/A.
Must run 98 octane fuel.
Un opened engines.
Engine must be factory fitted or an option. Eg 351 in XD yes 460 in cortina no.
Engines may be modified but no roller cams,stroker cranks or aftermarket heads
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed.
Any single 4 barrel and after market manifold that fits under a standard bonnet. Shakers ok no high rise manifolds tunnel rams multi carbs etc
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards)
All body parts must stay intact.
No removal of exhaust components.
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed.
Must run Cats.
Where factoy fitted
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
No Diff Changes
Factory diffs any ratio

I would leave the other classes as they are.
Rods pursuit would be leading the Performance street class as it stands, so it will take mid 12's to be competitive. I don't believe my suggestions go too far, what do others think?

outback_ute you should run the 8 plys and fill BOTH petrol tanks, wear a really big hat over your crash helmet and get one of those canvas water bags for the bullbar, thats closer to stock John :hihi:

ahh now see there inlies the next hurdle.. how do we incluse cars times that have run before being scrutneered??not to mention as an example, rods car wouldnt fall into Perfromance street, from memory it has headlights out, comp ta tyres, ect headlights being a body part.

[GT-P 738]

Originally Posted by GTP-330

ahh now see there inlies the next hurdle.. how do we incluse cars times that have run before being scrutneered??not to mention as an example, rods car wouldnt fall into Perfromance street, from memory it has headlights out, comp ta tyres, ect headlights being a body part.

Isn't any removal of essential (road license) items considered as not how it is driven on the street .

[Xtreme F6]

Originally Posted by smciner1

My thoughts exactly.

Okay, here is a few ideas. As Work Horse said, In classes where it says MUST RUN CATS, make it MUST RUN CATS WHERE LEGALLY REQUIRED (IE 1986 and after cars).

I also don't like the idea of running X series cars in different classes to E Series / AU / BA. I think there is someway you can run them toghether.

Performance Street.
All bolt ons allowed. (Agreed)
Must stay N/A. (Agreed)
Must run 98 octane fuel. (Agreed)
Un opened engines. (How about Standard Rebuilt)
Standard manifold, Oversize throttle bodies allowed. (Reword to Include Carburettors)
Tyres, can run changes to equavalent ratings, NO adr or Drags (RWC Standards) (Agreed)
All body parts must stay intact. (Agreed)
No removal of exhaust components. (I assume you mean "Dropped Pipes")
Aftermarket Exhaust allowed. (Agreed)
Must run Cats. (Where Required)
No body mods allowed or chassis changes. (Agreed)
No Diff Changes (Please clarify if a Ratio Change is included in this)

Will post more ideas later. Thanks for everyones input.

You couldnt get it to work including the older cars in the same catagory... WHats the problem with having them have there own?


It gets way to hard to try and blend all the cars. Its just easier to have a few of you guys who run the older mofels to make a couple of classes for the older cars that are fair...

If you guys want ill do them for you and then you make your minds up on changes.

[SpoolMan]

Originally Posted by smciner1

No Diff Changes (Please clarify if a Ratio Change is included in this)

Will post more ideas later. Thanks for everyones input.

Hi Shane, bit slack on the (TM) in your post....
Diff changes changing ratio's should be allowed, to put a ratio change in the same vain as a opened engine would be wrong...
as long as you are still using the same factory drive shafts, cv's, axles.
there is no strengthing of parts with a ratio change...its a factory part..(TM)

[smciner1]

Originally Posted by XRFPV8

Hi Shane, bit slack on the (TM) in your post....
Diff changes changing ratio's should be allowed, to put a ratio change in the same vain as a opened engine would be wrong...
as long as you are still using the same factory drive shafts, cv's, axles.
there is no strengthing of parts with a ratio change...its a factory part..(TM)

I gues us guys running Top Loaders (tm) and 9" Diffs (tm) have an advantage then.

:sm_headba

And yes, I have been Slack (tm) due to ADSLBUSTEDARSEP0RNPIPE (tm).

[Laminge]

Good points work horse

but your not having a whinge, your points are valid, will have a think about it and see what cane be done.

Sorry, was only catering for the plastics, didnt even occur to think about the real machines!

[strife]

I think you should look at pro street and outlaw street in a little more detail so far there is no class that allows an all out setup

pro street with a diff and cam change seems a little lightweight

usually pro street and outlaw would allow chassis mods

Ill pm you some more stuff

[Xtreme F6]

Originally Posted by strife

I think you should look at pro street and outlaw street in a little more detail so far there is no class that allows an all out setup

pro street with a diff and cam change seems a little lightweight

usually pro street and outlaw would allow chassis mods

Ill pm you some more stuff

if you allow chassis changes ect your taking the realism out of it.. whos going to 3 quarter chassis a new gt....i dont think this was really meant to be a drag car affair, its for guys with street cars who want some fun and something to strive for... Makes everyone look at a basic class and go .. yep thats for me.. lets race.

As for the older cars maybe start something up for the older ones. I mean its not like your being persicuted cos u drive an older car, its just that 9 times out of 10 the only guys hitten th etracks at the street meets are the later models.

[strife]

Originally Posted by GTP-330

if you allow chassis changes ect your taking the realism out of it.. whos going to 3 quarter chassis a new gt....i dont think this was really meant to be a drag car affair, its for guys with street cars who want some fun and something to strive for... Makes everyone look at a basic class and go .. yep thats for me.. lets race.

As for the older cars maybe start something up for the older ones. I mean its not like your being persicuted cos u drive an older car, its just that 9 times out of 10 the only guys hitten th etracks at the street meets are the later models.

the holden guys seem to do it alot

regardless it would be a different higher class so it shouldnt affect anything, having 13 second outlaw class seems odd

maybe classes should be more aimed at brackets ie 12 13 etc

[Xtreme F6]

Originally Posted by strife

the holden guys seem to do it alot

regardless it would be a different higher class so it shouldnt affect anything, having 13 second outlaw class seems odd

maybe classes should be more aimed at brackets ie 12 13 etc

hang on a minute. Think about what you type carefully. you dont make guildlines to suit cars.... you make cars to siut guidlines. We have set fourth some rules that will cater for all different types of mods. This isnt for Simon Travaglinis BA Door slammer, this is fo street cars that your misses jumps in and takes to the shops and that you wanna go for a run in at the track and try your car against someone esles with differnet mods, to different manuafacters.

These are just some ideas that we have come up with. It means you dont have to spend a million bucks to race ytour car to a class and get some recognition for your car.
ITS FOR FUN!.

[strife]

Originally Posted by GTP-330

These are just some ideas that we have come up with. It means you dont have to spend a million bucks to race ytour car to a class and get some recognition for your car.
ITS FOR FUN!.

Im not arguing that however where does someone sit in between who does go that little bit extra its not a big leap from motor to minitubs and some rear end work trust me there a few people on this forum that arent that far off it

Im not saying cut the other classes

its better to think of it at the start then half way through

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by GTP-330

its just that 9 times out of 10 the only guys hitten th etracks at the street meets are the later models.

Not sure what happens where you race but it's about 50/50 when I race.

But I agree maybe a separate class for older cars is the go. I can not think of a set of rules that would cater for all models. Not in a way that was comparable anyway.

Of course this is just for fun (have you seen what I drive!), But if we are going to the trouble of setting class rules we may as well get them right.

I will try and think up some rules for Xseries cars. ( Read rig it so a Van running a huge shot of n2o wins everything :hihi: )

[X ORSMXR]

Laminge these rules look and sound fantastic
l think this will sort out alot of arguements.
But as you said this has to be a honesty rule ,but still very good as most of us know
if a car is in a bracket it's not suppose to be in.

Orsmxr has just awarded laminge with a bid GOLDEN STAR lol........

[dansedgli]

Oh crap Im in outlaw street and I only run high 13's lol. :

Good work on getting the categories sorted though. At least now we know even if only our forum uses these we get more of an idea of how everyone goes.

[Laminge]

Ive added 2 catorgories at the end, which will need to be discussed further.

1) Drag Racing Cars - obviously cars setup for the strip only, Whatever class whatever the engine type

2)x series, guys help me out here as in to organise a fair class, and remeber that its for the average joes out there

[Fordy]

Originally Posted by Laminge

Ive added 2 catorgories at the end, which will need to be discussed further.

1) Drag Racing Cars - obviously cars setup for the strip only, Whatever class whatever the engine type

2)x series, guys help me out here as in to organise a fair class, and remeber that its for the average joes out there

Gaz, theres no reason why the xseries cant fall into the category of pro street if allowed open engines and cubic inch change, may be just call it Pro Street X, anything before the EA or whatever year it was made???

Slicks or DOT tyres. No limit.
Must retain standard wheel arches.
No body mods allowed or chassis changes.
Open engine allowed
Cam Changes allowed
Diff Changes Allowed

[GT 8888]

I assume Edits or "Piggybacks" fall into the Performance Street category...

Brad

[Xtreme F6]

Originally Posted by xr8888

I assume Edits or "Piggybacks" fall into the Performance Street category...

Brad

Yerp they do

[Laminge]

I carnt take all the credit for this, Simon GT 330 has helped out heaps


I would also like a list of names for each state to manage the respective drag racing forums please.

Simon has the WA scene under control, just need the other states covered.

[geea]

In my normal drag mode my car uses 98ron fuel plus an octane booster. This doesn't seem to be an option.
Are the Nitto drag radials classed as a normal tyre as they are the same specs as the factory items.
With regard to being open or unopened. My car has had billet rods fitted and been balanced and blue printed. These changes wont make the car quicker they will only stop it blowing up. Would these make the car opened?

I like the idea of the different classes it gives everyone more of a chance to compete against similar cars.

Geea.