How are we supposed to live on mars in the future when its farther away from the sun?

[GTS_300_Coupe]

We are suppose to migrate there if we ever run out of resources here on
earth but if we were to build colonies there, how the hell do we know the
weather there isnt cold?

They would have to grow plants in green houses all over the planet for many many years until an atmoshpere and ozone layer is created.

Though I may be wrong but I think Mars is hotter because it has no ozone to block the sun.

There have been traces of water located on mars, which proves the planet could have been once livable and still could be when under the surface has been properly monitored.

On another note though, would any other planet be more livable?
Apparently one of Jupiters moons (Europa?) has an environment and atmosphere very similar to earth however scientists are yet to discover life forms on it. :

[GTS_300_Coupe]

I love astrology.

[4.9 EF Futura]

It would appear if you can provide the human race with three things:

Air
Water
Oil

Then we can make a go of it, no matter how awful the terrain is. Case in point... dubai.

Ps. Anyone else notice that's all you need to run a car as well... freaky....

[GTS_300_Coupe]

Astronomy. :

There are theories that Mars could be terraformed, since its gravity is similar to Earth's (a little heavier I believe). The guy who said it would need lots of greenhouses as actually on track, apparently carbon dioxide is plentiful there. But there are lots of gases in our atmosphere like nitrogen and trace amounts of methane and other things so I'm sure it's not as simple as setting up some greenhouses and waiting.

I think I'm gonna go read up on this stuff, its really interesting actually to know about all the possibilities in our universe within the near future.

[jimt3te50]

haven't you seen Total Recall?

[4.9 EF Futura]

Well, i mean, seeing as we're talking about interplanetary travel... wouldnt moving to another planet within our solar system be a short term solution... considering the finite life of the sun?

[GTS_300_Coupe]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Well, i mean, seeing as we're talking about interplanetary travel... wouldnt moving to another planet within our solar system be a short term solution... considering the finite life of the sun?

The sun has still got many hundreds of thousands of years left in it, I believe if we are still alive by that time we would have advanced so much that we could be able to create our own heat sources powerful enough to simulate daytime-like illumination and heat.

[BENT_8]

I saw a show a year ago that goes on about the Yanks propaganda when it comes to going to the moon.
Apparently there is a radioactive layer in the Earths outer atmosphere that is too lethal too let humans pass through.
Man landing on the moon was just an attempt to scare the soviet union during the cold war.
If travelling to the moon was possible why haven't we been there since 1963.
It makes me laugh when i see pictures of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon wearing a paper thin silver suit yet a x-ray dept operator wears lead vests for minor radiation exposure.

[XA-Coupe]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I saw a show a year ago that goes on about the Yanks propaganda when it comes to going to the moon.
Apparently there is a radioactive layer in the Earths outer atmosphere that is too lethal too let humans pass through.
Man landing on the moon was just an attempt to scare the soviet union during the cold war.
If travelling to the moon was possible why haven't we been there since 1963.
It makes me laugh when i see pictures of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon wearing a paper thin silver suit yet a x-ray dept operator wears lead vests for minor radiation exposure.

It was on TV so it must be right ?? :

[gozza]

Originally Posted by XA-Coupe

It was on TV so it must be right ?? :

so was the landing

[Perana]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If travelling to the moon was possible why haven't we been there since 1963.

Pity the first time man was there was 1969 then eh..

[LeMans]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I saw a show a year ago that goes on about the Yanks propaganda when it comes to going to the moon.
Apparently there is a radioactive layer in the Earths outer atmosphere that is too lethal too let humans pass through.
Man landing on the moon was just an attempt to scare the soviet union during the cold war.
If travelling to the moon was possible why haven't we been there since 1963.
It makes me laugh when i see pictures of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon wearing a paper thin silver suit yet a x-ray dept operator wears lead vests for minor radiation exposure.

Sorry Bent_8. The program was a practical joke but it was very well done.

They managed to bring some "real" experts into the joke so it really had me going too. I realized that I was being had though about 3/4 into it, but they did give it away totaly in the final credits too.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If travelling to the moon was possible why haven't we been there since 1963.
It makes me laugh when i see pictures of Neil Armstrong supposedly on the moon wearing a paper thin silver suit yet a x-ray dept operator wears lead vests for minor radiation exposure.

Last time was actually Dec 1972 (Apollo 17)

[LTDHO]

So why isn't a convoy of ships sent full of water and trees and etc to see if life can start? Surely this would be a multi-nation project.

Or is that too impossible?

[svo347]

I( dont get it.Mars is closer to the sun than earth?

[mcflux]

Mars has SFA atmospheric pressure, its atmosphere consists mostly of CO2, and only because it is a heavy gas. I think temperatures have been recorded at above freezing point in mid-summer. Mars' gravity is about 2/3 that of Earth's (or 1/3?)

The Red Mars/Green Mars/Blue Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson is a fantastic read. I recommend you read them ;)

Icehenge and The Wild Shore (?) are two other great books by the same author.

-Dave-

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Mars has SFA atmospheric pressure, its atmosphere consists mostly of CO2, and only because it is a heavy gas. I think temperatures have been recorded at above freezing point in mid-summer. Mars' gravity is about 2/3 that of Earth's (or 1/3?)

The Red Mars/Green Mars/Blue Mars trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson is a fantastic read. I recommend you read them ;)

Icehenge and The Wild Shore (?) are two other great books by the same author.

-Dave-

Mars actually gets well into the 30's but also get way under -100 degrees.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by svo347

I( dont get it.Mars is closer to the sun than earth?

No, it's further, about 220 million Km, Earth is about 150 million k's.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

We are suppose to migrate there if we ever run out of resources here on
earth but if we were to build colonies there, how the hell do we know the
weather there isnt cold?

They would have to grow plants in green houses all over the planet for many many years until an atmoshpere and ozone layer is created.

Though I may be wrong but I think Mars is hotter because it has no ozone to block the sun.

There have been traces of water located on mars, which proves the planet could have been once livable and still could be when under the surface has been properly monitored.

On another note though, would any other planet be more livable?
Apparently one of Jupiters moons (Europa?) has an environment and atmosphere very similar to earth however scientists are yet to discover life forms on it. :

one thing is a certainty . it would take a while to grow a certain herb up there and smoke it without polluting the small indoor atmosphere , enabling people to get on the net and write stories like this one . hahahahahahahaha.(joke) :thebirds:

[svo347]

Yep my bad... Back to school.
but on another note WGAF??

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by svo347

Yep my bad... Back to school.
but on another note WGAF??

quite true! :hihi:

[LeMans]

Colonizing Mars would be a long term prospect. Terraforming is a viable possibility according to NASA but it would take hundreds of years to bring it to a state that would be livable.

A theory is that a single chlorofluorocarbon factory would be used to create a greenhouse effect causing the temperature to rise and so liquefy the polar caps which are mostly CO2. The CO2 would then add to the greenhouse effect warming the planet further and causing the water ice to melt. It is expected that this process would take a couple of decades, but then vegetation would need to be introduced and allowed to take hold, which would take a further two centuries. It is expected that the final result though would be much like the tops of some tall mountains here on earth so an oxygen mask would still be needed.

[Smoked]

Mar is very similar to us, it has polar ice caps and the markings of where an ocean once exsisted. Nasa si at current now trying to determine if it has ground water. this i think would be critical in the planets ability to support life, since the established green houses would need to be able utilise water, as well as sunlight and CO2.

[flappist]

What do you mean no life on Mars, where do you thing the guy who designed the AU Falcon came from?

[jabba]

Originally Posted by flappist

What do you mean no life on Mars, where do you thing the guy who designed the AU Falcon came from?

Ur-anus :evilking: LOL

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by GTS_300_Coupe

We are suppose to migrate there if we ever run out of resources here on
earth but if we were to build colonies there, how the hell do we know the
weather there isnt cold?

They would have to grow plants in green houses all over the planet for many many years until an atmoshpere and ozone layer is created.

Though I may be wrong but I think Mars is hotter because it has no ozone to block the sun.

There have been traces of water located on mars, which proves the planet could have been once livable and still could be when under the surface has been properly monitored.

On another note though, would any other planet be more livable?
Apparently one of Jupiters moons (Europa?) has an environment and atmosphere very similar to earth however scientists are yet to discover life forms on it. :

Sat up all night watching X files did we?

A) life can be supported in almost any climate save for the vacuum of space. It just requires time to adapt to its environ.
B) If its too cold on Mars, how would it be more livable for you on europa when you are ever further away from the sun?
C) Mars climate is quite cold at times, it has an eliptical orbit, which means at times it is closer to the sun at certain points. Seasons typically last about 6 months. Temperatures vary from -140C to 20C
D) Mars atmosphere consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen and trace amounts of oxygen and water. The density of the Martian atmosphere is only 1% of Earth.
E) Terraforming mars is not as simple as just dumping trees there and hoping for the best. Trees require ecosystems, nitrogens in the soil, fluid water, fertilizing. None of which occur naturally on mars, none of which would survive in minus 140C.
F) A lack of ozone does not equate to heat

and on another note, for those interested in the so called "green house effect", that its quite normal for Earth to not have polar Ice Caps. The earth wont detonate and flood as soon as they melt(Despite what Kevin Costner says). Proof of this is in the fossil records of antarctica, which used to be coverered in rain forest and a variety of dinosaurs/mammals. Our current ice caps and glaciers both north and south, are left overs from the ice age, which has been reducing steadily for thousands of years, and will continue to do so until they are gone entirely.

science lesson is over children, go back to your vehicles and kill some ozone for me.

[LeMans]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Sat up all night watching X files did we?

A) life can be supported in almost any climate save for the vacuum of space. It just requires time to adapt to its environ.
B) If its too cold on Mars, how would it be more livable for you on europa when you are ever further away from the sun?
C) Mars climate is quite cold at times, it has an eliptical orbit, which means at times it is closer to the sun at certain points. Seasons typically last about 6 months. Temperatures vary from -140C to 20C
D) Mars atmosphere consists of 95% carbon dioxide, 3% nitrogen and trace amounts of oxygen and water. The density of the Martian atmosphere is only 1% of Earth.
E) Terraforming mars is not as simple as just dumping trees there and hoping for the best. Trees require ecosystems, nitrogens in the soil, fluid water, fertilizing. None of which occur naturally on mars, none of which would survive in minus 140C.
F) A lack of ozone does not equate to heat

and on another note, for those interested in the so called "green house effect", that its quite normal for Earth to not have polar Ice Caps. The earth wont detonate and flood as soon as they melt(Despite what Kevin Costner says). Proof of this is in the fossil records of antarctica, which used to be coverered in rain forest and a variety of dinosaurs/mammals. Our current ice caps and glaciers both north and south, are left overs from the ice age, which has been reducing steadily for thousands of years, and will continue to do so until they are gone entirely.

science lesson is over children, go back to your vehicles and kill some ozone for me.

(B) Europa is deformed massively by Jupiter's gravity which causes internal friction and heat ie. the majority of the heat is generated internally, not from the sun.

(D) The theory is that the Martian polar caps (which are also CO2) will vapourize, so increasing the density slightly. However, the main density increase will be achieved when the Martian water melts and vapourizes. According to NASA it will reach the equivalent density of earth at high altitudes.

(E) NASA believes that the atmosphere density temperatures can be brought to an equivalent of earth at high altitude by using artificial global warming. Establishing an ecosystem is then possible with good planning and lots of effort but will take hundreds of years to establish.

The other question as to why we are not going there with trees now. The answer is that we are taking the first steps. First we have to send probes to see what we have.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by LeMans

(B) Europa is deformed massively by Jupiter's gravity which causes internal friction and heat ie. the majority of the heat is generated internally, not from the sun.

As i outlined in my second post. And while geothermal heat is great at depth, it doesnt do a hell of alot for surface temperatures required to create a viable atmosphere.

(D) The theory is that the Martian polar caps (which are also CO2) will vapourize, so increasing the density slightly. However, the main density increase will be achieved when the Martian water melts and vapourizes. According to NASA it will reach the equivalent density of earth at high altitudes.

Thats a great theory. Theres no simple practical way to melt millions of tons of frozen CO2. And just "making" possible martian water to melt from possible frozen deposits(And they would need to be vast deposits to effect an atmospheric change) is no easier either.

(E) NASA believes that the atmosphere density temperatures can be brought to an equivalent of earth at high altitude by using artificial global warming. Establishing an ecosystem is then possible with good planning and lots of effort but will take hundreds of years to establish.

Establishing an ecosystem is even more of an immense task then changing the climate of an entire planet. Micro organisms, bacterias & fungus, compatible insects, soil nutrients, specific soil types and plant refuse to insulate it, nitrogens in the soil, hardy engineered plants capable of surviving extreme conditions, these are only some of the most basic items required for a very crude ecosystem, which we are spoiled by having already in place here on Earth. Introducing one that can survive in an alien environment devoid of all essential elements is a task of Thousands of years, not hundreds. It took eons for our own ecosystems to evolve, the concept of introducing a successful one to mars in only hundreds of years is ludicrous, human assisted, engineered, or otherwise. You cant just genetically engineer a super plant, drop it off with a barrel of osmocote and hope for the best. Even the most basic ecosystem will have to be revised and revised and revised again insitu and while it in progress to ensure its balanced and capable of long term survival. It will have to be managed to ensure it also isnt so aggressive that it will override any future agro culture projects for food cropping.

The other question as to why we are not going there with trees now. The answer is that we are taking the first steps. First we have to send probes to see what we have.

cheaper faster nastier is NASA's policy, and will likely stay that way for many years to come. No terraforming project could be completed in 4 years, nor at a minimal budget, so dont expect an american administration to commit the political or financial resources to make it happen or even start in our life times.

There are too many rednecks in assbite Iowa complaining about spending a whole 40 bucks to fill their SUV then there are scientists screaming about terraforming projects.

[new2ford]

But is there a Ford service centre on Mars? And what's the parts situation like?

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by new2ford

But is there a Ford service centre on Mars? And what's the parts situation like?

Not sure about a Ford service centre, but there's a red Crewman out that way...