P plates behind tinted windows

xxxc · 29-08-2005, 08:18 PM

has anyone been done for having Ps behind their dark as tinted windows?? ,i.e -fined for not displaying p plates cause they cant be seen?

my windows are dark as

: ,can hardly see the rear P plate at night ,how bout YOU

b2tf · 29-08-2005, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DUMPT

has anyone been done for having Ps behind their dark as tinted windows?? ,i.e -fined for not displaying p plates cause they cant be seen?

my windows are dark as

: ,can hardly see the rear P plate at night ,how bout YOU

depends on the cop who pulls you up i guess, but yes you can get done for it.

LTDHO · 29-08-2005, 08:26 PM

A mate did once, He had to put it on the outside.

I think they do ya if they want a reason to pull ya over.

**Polyal** · 29-08-2005, 08:26 PM

why would you gt done for it? Unless you were being a smart **** of course. I had really dark tint while on my p's and never had an issue.I was pulled over a few times and it was never mentioned.

TIKFD6 · 29-08-2005, 08:33 PM

Honestly, you ask why you'd get done for your P plate not being visible?
You know your tint is dark, thats why the cops pull you over.

29-08-2005, 08:35 PM

Mine's behind the window. 20% tint.

Put it under the plates, some fag will steal! :o

xxxc · 29-08-2005, 08:35 PM

its a fair rule ,but 3 points for no Ps is harsh i think

FordFan86 · 30-08-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DUMPT

its a fair rule ,but 3 points for no Ps is harsh i think

As is a $75 dollar fine and 6 months disqualification.... (or was it 3)

RED_EL_XR8 · 30-08-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FordFan86

As is a $75 dollar fine and 6 months disqualification.... (or was it 3)

Why? It's a simple requirement, that does not in anyway interfere with your usage of the vehicle unlike other restrictions such as addition speed limits.

Just imagine the penalty description was changed to the offence of "being a defiant knob for no good reason". I honestly cannot see what all the fuss is about.

T_Terror · 30-08-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

Why? It's a simple requirement, that does not in anyway interfere with your usage of the vehicle unlike other restrictions such as addition speed limits.

Just imagine the penalty description was changed to the offence of "being a defiant knob for no good reason". I honestly cannot see what all the fuss is about.

But it isnt simple thats the problem.

Keeping them on isnt a problem. But issues like tint is.

Ive been told off for having a P-plate behind the sun-tint bit thats on top of windscreens (as most/all p-platers do) and others have been fined for this =3points and whatever the fine is and losing their licence.

The penalty behind the law is the problem which was placed as another "get tough, knee jerk reaction". Its the same penalty as runnign a red light.

What was wrong with the original $100 fine penalty? When i jump into others cars i dont stop at servos to affix P-plates and people who didnt wear Ps before dont now.

RED_EL_XR8 · 30-08-2005, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

But it isnt simple thats the problem.

Keeping them on isnt a problem. But issues like tint is.

Ive been told off for having a P-plate behind the sun-tint bit thats on top of windscreens (as most/all p-platers do) and others have been fined for this =3points and whatever the fine is and losing their licence.

The penalty behind the law is the problem which was placed as another "get tough, knee jerk reaction". Its the same penalty as runnign a red light.

What was wrong with the original $100 fine penalty? When i jump into others cars i dont stop at servos to affix P-plates and people who didnt wear Ps before dont now.

What isn't simple about it? You all know what is required, you all ignore the requirement and put them behind tinted bars, then all get upset that people like me don't feel sorry for you if you get pinged for it. I see the problem and it isn't with the penalty.

What good reason can you give me for trying your obscure your P-Plate that is worth 3 months of public transport?

xxxc · 29-08-2005, 08:36 PM

the solid plates tand out more too!

Psycho Chicken · 29-08-2005, 08:37 PM

Nonsence, god knows how many people you could of killed.

xxxc · 29-08-2005, 08:47 PM

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why would you gt done for it? Unless you were being a smart **** of course. I had really dark tint while on my p's and never had an issue.I was pulled over a few times and it was never mentioned.

depends what they are pulling u up for i guess ,if its cause they cant see ya tint ya probaly stuffed ,got pulled over last night and the cops friggen put there high beams on the whole time ,so no probs there lucky i had tint woulda blinded me lol

Fairlane · 29-08-2005, 08:50 PM

Got mine behind a 20% tint. Cops dont seems to car when i'm pulled over-so they stay as they are.

RED_EL_XR8 · 29-08-2005, 09:06 PM

It is a requirement for provisional license holders to display P-Plate on any vehicle they are driving.

Partially obscure them at your own risk/peril, more importantly if you do get nabbed don't come bleating on the forum about it. The law is quite clear as is the penalty.

Despite many claims to the contrary most police are not sitting waiting for you, and yes most coppa may just understand that P-Plates outside the vehicle often get pinched, and as such are prepared to turn a blind eye to plates displayed behind window glass.

The law is clear, the risk is your to decide. For my money, I'd hate to be catching the bus again just because l tried to obscure my P-Plate.

XD-Machine · 29-08-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RED_EL_XR8

The law is clear, the risk is your to decide. For my money, I'd hate to be catching the bus again just because l tried to obscure my P-Plate.

i agree with you. accept that you are a P plater

PULLY6 · 29-08-2005, 09:00 PM

Same. 20% with a solid plate behind it. Never been mentioned.

T_Terror · 29-08-2005, 09:03 PM

One of the members here got done for it 3points and all.

Ridiculous IMO, the 3points is a killer.

Youd have to have bad luck to run into a cop that would do that though.

BA_Turbs · 29-08-2005, 09:05 PM

The law is P-Plates must be "clearly visible from a distance of 20 metres".

That's that. If its behind tint and it can't be seen form 20 metres, then it can't be seen. It's also worth noting that the act states (in Victoria) that a "P-Plate" is a 15cm x15cm red disk with a white P. Therefore, if you are driving with a NSW white plate and red P or one of the P-Plates that is cut out to just be a P, then you can be done for it.

Food for thought.

(PS, in anticipation - don't quote me and argue with this, it isn't my OPINION, its law)

ShallowCrossing · 30-08-2005, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

The law is P-Plates must be "clearly visible from a distance of 20 metres".

That's that. If its behind tint and it can't be seen form 20 metres, then it can't be seen. It's also worth noting that the act states (in Victoria) that a "P-Plate" is a 15cm x15cm red disk with a white P. Therefore, if you are driving with a NSW white plate and red P or one of the P-Plates that is cut out to just be a P, then you can be done for it.

Food for thought.

(PS, in anticipation - don't quote me and argue with this, it isn't my OPINION, its law)

Where is the reference for visible from 20 metres in the law?

Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 1999

217. Probationary drivers must have "P" plates
(1) A probationary driver must not drive a motor
vehicle (other than a tractor) on a highway unless
a "P" plate is conspicuously displayed—
(a) in the case of a motor cycle or motor trike,
facing out from the rear of the motor cycle or
motor trike; or
(b) in any other case, facing out from the front
and rear of the motor vehicle.

It must be "conspicuously" displayed so that would be subject to interpretation. Did you find that 20 metre reference in some case law? If so can you let us know the case title?

merlin · 30-08-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

It must be "conspicuously" displayed so that would be subject to interpretation.

Dictionary defines "Conspicuously" as:
1) Easy to notice; obvious.
2) Attracting attention, as by being unusual or remarkable; noticeable.

I would interpret that to mean that P plates behind a dark tint would be illegal if it could not be "easily" seen.

RED_EL_XR8 · 30-08-2005, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

..........It must be "conspicuously" displayed so that would be subject to interpretation.

And which interpretation do you thing will count, the one of the provisional driver with the dark tint or the one of the policeman with the ticket-book after a day of attending road accidents? I know who my money is on.

Heeno · 30-08-2005, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

Did you find that 20 metre reference in some case law? If so can you let us know the case title?

its not a law but the 20m rule does exist, can't provide facts but im sure the cop that told me about this will be able to point you in the right direction, just ring up albany creek police and ask for Green, he'll tell you all about the 20m visibility rule.

ShallowCrossing · 30-08-2005, 11:53 AM

Thanks Heeno, but I was specifically quoting Vic legislation. I'll give Mr Green a call though and let him know you are giving out his name to answer all legal questions at AFF.

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Laminge · 30-08-2005, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

Thanks Heeno, but I was specifically quoting Vic legislation. I'll give Mr Green a call though and let him know you are giving out his name to answer all legal questions at AFF.

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Classic!!!

Im sure he will have great pleasure in recalling Heenos details and adding it too the BA listings

Heeno · 30-08-2005, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

I'll give Mr Green a call though and let him know you are giving out his name to answer all legal questions at AFF.

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yea thats cool, afterall the cops are there to serve and protect so they should have no worries in helping you out or anyone else.

BA_Turbs · 30-08-2005, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

Where is the reference for visible from 20 metres in the law?

Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 1999

217. Probationary drivers must have "P" plates
(1) A probationary driver must not drive a motor
vehicle (other than a tractor) on a highway unless
a "P" plate is conspicuously displayed—
(a) in the case of a motor cycle or motor trike,
facing out from the rear of the motor cycle or
motor trike; or
(b) in any other case, facing out from the front
and rear of the motor vehicle.

It must be "conspicuously" displayed so that would be subject to interpretation. Did you find that 20 metre reference in some case law? If so can you let us know the case title?

My apologies, you are correct, the only thing that is in law is the definition of a "P-Plate". I am very confident that 20 metres is the accepted rule in a courtroom though, same as number plates must be clearly visible from a 45 degree angle each side of centre to a distance of 20 metres.

It is possible that it is case law or in the Victorian Government Gazette. As far as asking me to quote case law, we both know that's not going to happen with me typing from my computer at home. Perhaps if I was sitting in a solicitor's office, and I had 5 hours to spare, that might happen.

b2tf · 30-08-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ShallowCrossing

Road Safety (Drivers) Regulations 1999

217. Probationary drivers must have "P" plates
(1) A probationary driver must not drive a motor
vehicle (other than a tractor) on a highway unless
a "P" plate is conspicuously displayed—
(a) in the case of a motor cycle or motor trike,
facing out from the rear of the motor cycle or
motor trike; or
(b) in any other case, facing out from the front
and rear of the motor vehicle.

It must be "conspicuously" displayed so that would be subject to interpretation. Did you find that 20 metre reference in some case law? If so can you let us know the case title?

So I can drive a tractor round with no P plates?! Sweet!

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Dezza · 30-08-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BA_Turbs

It's also worth noting that the act states (in Victoria) that a "P-Plate" is a 15cm x15cm red disk with a white P.

Wow. So when I was driving with a set of homemade p-plates (Mum drove off with the good ones in the other car), that was illegal. I put so much effort into making them too! Numerous times, when I was driving my parent's wagon, the rear p-plate fell down without me realising too. I'm lucky. Sometimes I'd driven past a cop only to realise later that my rear plate had fallen off. I'm off my P's now so at least I don't have to worry about that problem anymore.