FWD Commodore?

GS608 · 27-09-2010, 06:08 PM

Looks like the Commodore may beat us to it...

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/508...on-ii-platform

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Unconfirmed reports out of the US this week suggest that Holden is set to move to a front-wheel-drive platform for its next-generation Commodore, with the locally-developed Zeta platform to be dumped in favour of GM’s Epsilon II platform.

That doesn’t mean RWD is off the cards altogether, though. According to US magazine Motor Trend, which penned the report, a replacement for the RWD Zeta platform is currently in the works and is forecast to underpin a range of new GM vehicles.

A high-end Cadillac luxury sedan, a “cushier” Buick and a Chevrolet-badged sports sedan may ride atop the new Zeta architecture, with the long wheelbase Holden Caprice and “more premium” Commodore models to retain a RWD layout too.

The report adds that low-end Commodores models such as the Omega and Berlina may disappear altogether, with an Epsilon-based front-driver taking over as Holden’s budget mid-to-large size sedan.

Lending credence to Motor Trend’s report is the appearance of a left-hand drive Buick LaCrosse test mule on Melbourne’s streets. Spotted recently by our spy photographers, the Epsilon II-based Lacrosse was undergoing on-road trials but did not appear to have any obvious test equipment inside its cabin.

The US-market LaCrosse shares its platform with the Opel Insignia, which may also arrive on Australian shores in the near future.

However, unlike the Insignia, the LaCrosse is powered by the same LF1 3.0 and LLT 3.6 litre V6 engines as the Commodore, giving it a power and parts compatibility advantage over the Opel. A 136kW 2.4 litre Ecotec inline four is also offered in the base-grade LaCrosse CX.

The LaCrosse CXS model shown here has the more powerful 210kW 3.6 litre V6 and drives the front wheels, however an AWD drivetrain is available with the 190kW 3.0 litre V6. All LaCrosse models feature a six-speed tiptronic automatic, with no manual transmission offered.

In terms of interior size, the LaCrosse bridges the gap between the Commodore and the unpopular Epica. Its interior boasts a more luxurious design than both, though.

Would the LaCrosse (or any other Epsilon II-based GM product) make an adequate replacement for lower-grade Commodores? Will fleet and private buyers care (or even notice) the switch to front-wheel drive?

Future versions of Holden's sports-oriented Commodores could stay RWD even if the basic range goes FWD.
If Motor Trend is correct and both premium and sporting Commodore models remain RWD, then it appears Australia’s motoring public may be able to enjoy the best of both worlds.

Budget-conscious Holden customers will have a high-grade mid-sizer instead of the universally disliked Epica, and buyers needing more space or wanting a more involving drive will have a range of RWD sedans and wagons at their disposal.

If, that is, the rumours turn out to be true.

In response to Motor Trend's report, Holden's Senior Product Communications Manager Jonathan Rose told TMR that RWD will remain a part of the Commodore's identity for the forseeable future:

"RWD development is in Holden's DNA and we are focussed on developing more fuel and powertrain alternatives than any other time in the company's history," Rose said.

"We are developing future versions of the Commodore and continue to focus on working with other parts of GM for export opportunities for locally developed products.

"The fact that Commodore has been Australia’s best-selling car for the past 14 years highlights that there remains strong demand for RWD vehicles."

malazn mafia · 27-09-2010, 06:17 PM

Isn't the Cruze secretly going to be FWD commodore replacement..

geckoGT · 27-09-2010, 06:49 PM

If it was to happen, and that is a big if.

It would be a big problem for Holden, no FWD large family car has been a runaway success in Australia. Some have put in a good effort (magna and aurion) but none have really cracked the market.

**TUF_302** · 27-09-2010, 07:36 PM

If Commodore went FWD, i bet Falcon would follow, so i hope it stays RWD

vztrt · 27-09-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

If Commodore went FWD, i bet Falcon would follow, so i hope it stays RWD

Pretty much.

EgoFG · 28-09-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

If Commodore went FWD, i bet Falcon would follow, so i hope it stays RWD

At least the Falc would be a FWD/AWD (assuming a platform car with Taurus).
But the is still hope for GRWD in the Ford camp.

Yellow_Festiva · 11-12-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF_302

If Commodore went FWD, i bet Falcon would follow, so i hope it stays RWD

Why? I think it would be quite the opposite actually. No large RWD competition will mean RWD Falcon sales would soar IMO.

Archilino · 11-12-2010, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Why? I think it would be quite the opposite actually. No large RWD competition will mean RWD Falcon sales would soar IMO.

Thats the local school of thought but im guessing Dearborn would say "finally! Now give them the taurus and tell them to get over it. Thats an extra 1+ billion saved!"

banarcus · 12-12-2010, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

Thats the local school of thought but im guessing Dearborn would say "finally! Now give them the taurus and tell them to get over it. Thats an extra 1+ billion saved!"

Look for your answer here ^^ Yellow_Festiva

The reasoning is that the Ford Motor Company have been considering FWD large cars here for a while now. The only reason not going that direction is the fact that the main opposition still use RWD. If GMH went FWD, an Australianised Taurus would arrive on our shores in no time.

vztrt · 11-12-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Why? I think it would be quite the opposite actually. No large RWD competition will mean RWD Falcon sales would soar IMO.

No RWD commodore, no RWD Falcon.

Yellow_Festiva · 11-12-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

No RWD commodore, no RWD Falcon.

Yes... that has been said a few times. But car to explain why that would be the case???

If there was no Corolla, i30, Cruze or Mazda 3 on the market do you think sales of Focus would rise or fall?

MexicanBatman · 27-09-2010, 07:43 PM

i'll be first inline to buy one of these, by then probably 1800+kg and 2.5L V6 by current trends should be awesome LOL

whats wrong with holden, never really liked the commodore, but the 3.0L VE is a freeking joke, i swear my scooter goes better.... unless my butt dyno need re calibrating?

maybe fwd would make it a better car

go ford soon to be boosting all engines your going to be able to get a falcon with a boosted 4 6 and 8, too bad due to legalities young drivers wont be able to drive the economical version

jpd80 · 27-09-2010, 09:45 PM

This report started with Motor Trend in the USA but I think they got the plan wrong way round.

I believe that:
1) Commodore will stay RWD and ultimately move to lighter Alpha platform.
2) Zeta II is being developed by GM Shanghai for LWB vehicles only (Caprice/Park Avenue)
3) Midsized car and possibly Caprice replacement could become Epsilon II FWD vehicles.

Caprice has become like Fairlane, there is no local market to justify continuing it after this product cycle,
Caprice PPV is last gasp for it and I doubt Holden really wants their flagship to end up this way...

Gaz · 27-09-2010, 11:03 PM

Everytime we have a Falcon going FWD article it is about how it is doomed etc.

Now the commodore rumour is out and the article is fairly positive.

I know I know, one eyed Ford bias. Wrong forum people.

HULK EF · 28-09-2010, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Everytime we have a Falcon going FWD article it is about how it is doomed etc.

Now the commodore rumour is out and the article is fairly positive.

I know I know, one eyed Ford bias. Wrong forum people.

i know what you mean!!!

aualright · 28-09-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Everytime we have a Falcon going FWD article it is about how it is doomed etc.

Now the commodore rumour is out and the article is fairly positive.

I know I know, one eyed Ford bias. Wrong forum people.

I hate to be too paranoid about how journos present their stories, but I also noted that this 'will be the best of both worlds' for Holden drivers. Whereas with the FWD Falcon, I have only ever heard a pessimistic view point from our local scribes.

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mitch · 28-09-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaz

Everytime we have a Falcon going FWD article it is about how it is doomed etc.

Now the commodore rumour is out and the article is fairly positive.

I know I know, one eyed Ford bias. Wrong forum people.

Knew it wouldnt be long, after a quiet story on fwd commodore yesterday, Ford is once again mentioned on a couple of other forums with big Al saying that Ford wants to concentrate on a core amount of Ford vehicles. (and this sounds like a good idea to me). And watta ya know apparently Falcon is on its death bed again, when she was not even mentioned by Al.

Truly why does this not surprise me, who is it in the aussie media that wants Ford AUSTRALIA to fail????

deesun · 28-09-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mitch

Who is it in the aussie media that wants Ford AUSTRALIA to fail????

Just about everyone who doesn't drive one. Just like Mitsubishi they will try to hound Ford out of existence. Every time a gov handout was given to MMA it was front page news but who ever heard of the 200 million handed out to Holden.

**ebxr8240** · 28-09-2010, 07:16 AM

I drove a FWD G6 across America last year .. I must say most people would be happy with it.. Much lighter in FWD, any hint of under steer your going way too fast anyway..
The stability control takes over so the old fashioned driving style of driving by rear wheels and throttle doesn't work the same as older cars.. However very nice package to Mr / Mrs average...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac_G6

irlewy86 · 28-09-2010, 10:27 AM

The writing has been on the wall since Oct 2008, GM had 2 big budget RWD platforms one for low cost applications and one for high end. Now they have decided there will be only one. Guess who lost that battle.

Road_Warrior · 28-09-2010, 11:01 AM

Oh my goodness! I wonder what Jiz Spanks at Drivel.com.au will have to say about this little conundrum![U]

jpd80 · 30-09-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Oh my goodness! I wonder what Jiz Spanks at Drivel.com.au will have to say about this little conundrum![U]

Another Holden first beating Ford to the punch by switching production to FWD?
The death of the Falcon is now assured.....

(and before anyone posts, I'm being extremely sarcastic...

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hardlynormal · 28-09-2010, 11:05 AM

If its got a Commodore badge it'll sell.

**Elks** · 28-09-2010, 12:00 PM

Aren't Commodores already front wheel drive??

I keep seeing them with big rims on the front and little skinny ones on the rear.

4Vman · 28-09-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Elks

Aren't Commodores already front wheel drive??

I keep seeing them with big rims on the front and little skinny ones on the rear.

LOL, that's quite funny!!! (and true).

bobthebilda · 28-09-2010, 11:57 AM

Regardless of what happens, you would assume that GM seem to have decided that the commodore is going to be allowed to die, and use its own resources to attack it. Worse case scenario, they lose 1% of their global sales, by not selling any commodores. Best case, they import Opels from Europe, Chevys from US and add a bit to their asian offerings, and pick up a few thousand sales from these products.

Far better to sell a few thousand more imports at a profit, then to sell 5000 commodore derivatives at a loss each year. With every uptick of the australian dollar, just brings the increased import strategy closer to fruition.