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Barras, especially turbo versions, are known for being very good things. Of course, I'm preaching to the educated on a Ford enthusiast forum.
In saying that, one thing even the most ardent Barra fan will admit, is that they generally don't sound all that great. Sure, some sound better than others, however, universally they just aren't renowned for being a great sounding engine. For anyone who has followed the American YouTuber, AdamLZ, you'd know that he fitted a Barra to his GT350 after the original engine met its demise after catching fire from a leaking oil filter. For those who haven't followed his progress, I suggest you search for him and have a listen to his car. It is by far the best sounding Barra I've ever heard. So, how is it that a Yank got hold of one of our motors and made it sound so damn good? I've heard plenty of Barras with all different exhaust combinations, from single 3.5 and 4" systems, to twin 2.5". The only off-the-shelf setup I haven't heard is Manta's twin 3". I have a twin 2.5" Manta on my F6X and it sounds fine, but it's hardly got what I'd describe as a memorable note. What is it about Adam's exhaust that sets it apart? Well, it's essentially the GT350 factory axle-back, with some modifications to merge a custom 4" cat-back section to the factory twin system. I can't work out why it sounds so good, but it does! I have a Manta on my F6X, as previously mentioned, and I'm going to fit a Venom twin 2.5" exhaust to my FG shortly. Currently I am running a straight-thru centre muffler, which sounds a little louder than stock, but not exactly a great note. What's everyone done with their Barras to make them sound better? I'd love to hear what custom combos people have done. |
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Its interesting because the old OHC in my poxy EA/ED and the Ticky I6 in my EL Ghia sounded pretty tough back in the day. I was also younger then and probably easily pleased.
But on a few occasions, I had people stop me and say it sounded good. So not sure why the architecture of the Barra seems to make it sounds like a vaccum cleaner?
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Even the BA XR6 N/A around 2007/08 the ex and I had sounded pretty bloody good with Pacemaker comps, Magnaflow cat and XR6T catback with hotdogs in place of the centre muffler. I'm not sure if it's a combination of the turbo and the twin cam head? Someone one Facebook reckons the head design doesn't lend itself to sounding good, but who knows? What I do know is that AdamLZ's Barra-powered Mustang sounds great, and all the Yanks who've never heard a Barra before think they all sound like that when in reality they do not. |
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Turn the key...enough said ...joking aside they sound pretty good .. funnily enough owning my XR6 and also the dear ol' AU Futura both basically stock exhausts I reckon the old SOHC Intech has a more throaty sound for some reason ..Only my opinion though . After that the Barra sounds nice and of course is way quicker to drive ..goes without saying ...
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As for the Intech vs Barra (talking about the N/A's here), the SOHC gets really nasty above 3500 - 4000 rpm, as in very thrashy and strained with a lot of valve train whine. The Barra doesn't quite have the same deep sound at low revs but has more snarl up top and without that valvetrain thrash.
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I’ve watched his videos and I 100% agree. Sort of sounds like a Barra mixed with an R35 skyline. If I owned one I’d be trying my hardest to replicate his setup.
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I'm not going to make friends with this post, but I think Barra's sound best when NOT fitted with an aftermarket exhaust.
I prefer the rasp of the NA, but the deeper tone of the turbo is nice too, especially the fart on upshift. Listen to it scream at 1.30 -
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I have a Ba Typhoon fitted with a Herrod stainless cat back and a Venom bolt on cat pipe. Car sounds really nice, with a warm deep burble about it, then the cat gives it that angry raspy sound when on boost. Only intake mod is a panel K&N. There are so many ****ty sounding turbos around though so agree with you for the most part DFB.
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The problem I have is most of the ones I hear are of people trying to make it sound like something it will never be. Not trying to offend anyone, I'm strange in that I prefer intake/induction noise over exhaust. Or more to the point when both are in harmony, not one trying to outdo the other.
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I am going to go mild steel Venom cat-back. I have the stainless Venom cat. I am hoping the mild (aluminised) steel system sounds better than stainless. |
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The mild steel rusted behind the rear muffler after about 2 years/very minimal kms sadly. Went stainless and i know its personal preference, but i think the stainless system in my application sounds better.
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I did speak to George from Venom and he reckons the aluminised steel versions last a fair while with the coating compared to conventional mild steel systems. |
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The only good one I've heard has been Adam LZ's
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I have a Venom twin 2.5 inch stainless system with middle muffler delete and high flow cat. Coupled with a turboside intake i think it sounds pretty good. Havnt recorded the current set up, sounds pretty good from the inside. Nice noises on the down shift too (manual)
I believe and could be wrong. The application can change the note ie sedan/ute/territory etc
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I reckon all 4 and 6 cylinder engines sound absolutely junk, I reckon only a little bit of exhaust but get the intake noise going with the turbo flutter or externally vented blow off valve for maximum Franco
5/8 (except Euro) and 10 cylinder engines sound the best I reckon |
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[QUOTE=Franco Cozzo;6834091
5/8 (except Euro) and 10 cylinder engines sound the best I reckon[/QUOTE] I like some of the old Euro V8s, they sounded pretty good. I remember when the World Sports Car Championship race at Sandown, the Mercedes V8s exhaust note was awesome. The new Ranger Raptor sounds horrible. |
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This one sounds great!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urx_8xswc4A |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH-K44lKPLo
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Ive not heard mine from the outside until today mind you, the wind noise on the old gopro was quiet loud and it wasnt mounted in the best spot. But gave me a little insight into the sound.
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I'm not sure on the sizing of the Herrod stainless catback, and doubt they even make them anymore, but i will say that it has proper full sized mufflers mid and rear. It has also been on the car for 18 Years and still looks like brand new! One of the benefits of going proper stainless I guess.
I will try to get a video but noone else drives my car so it can be pretty hard to get a video of it!
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I find it strange people are having drama with mild steel exhausts rusting out early, the one on my Focus is coming up on 10 years and she's still good.
Was daily driver though so no chance for moisture to build up and sit in there. Fair enough if you live near the ocean but makes me wonder if it's a Chinese steel problem. |
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Make a barra sound good....put a barra 220 in it...
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