Hot hatch poll!!

[1lifeliveit]

Ok guys

we r always arguing ( sometimes out: ) abt which is the best hot-hatch. So I thought it wud b interesting to have a poll. Mind you, the winner of this poll is not the best hot-hatch. Its just most popular in this forum

[Teki04]

We discuss (or argue...) for the pure reason that there isn't really much of a BEST Hot Hatch. We all have different opinions of what a Hot Hatch should be. Some think it's a all rounder, others think it's something unique, others think it needs to be NA and raw etc etc

To be honest, being a Ford Forum though... the Focus XR5T should win ;)


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Also, there is no Poll here

[1lifeliveit]

Originally Posted by Teki04

To be honest, being a Ford Forum though... the Focus XR5T should win ;)

Not necessarily. I think most of us bought a ford coz thats what v cud afford at the time of purchase OR that was what v thought WAS best at the time of purchase

Things have changed from then and they keep changing.

And yes I agree theres no BEST. All depends on personal pref.

[Piotr]

People argue alot here because alot of us have a mentality of "My opinion is right so yours is wrong"


Audi A3 3.2 is missing from the poll and that would be my 1st pick. Second would be a Citroen C4 VTS

[Teki04]

Originally Posted by Piotr

Audi A3 3.2 is missing from the poll and that would be my 1st pick. Second would be a Citroen C4 VTS

*Scratches his head*

Audi A3 3.2 isn't as polished as the latest R32 Golf (Almost the same car...). Plus, I do believe the Audi S3 is the Audi's Hot Hatch. The C4 VTS is a Warm Hatch. Considering a Fiesta Zetec 1.6L could keep up to one....



And come on - Peugeot 307 Sport isn't much of a Hot Hatch Either. Missing (and extremely good Hot Hatches) include;

Ford Fiesta XR4, Suzuki Swift Sport, RenaultSport Clio 182, Barina SRi, HSV Astra VXR (or is that under Astra Turbo? Because, the SRi Turbo is not as good...), BMW 130iM, Volvo C30 T5, VW Golf R32...

Just to name a few.

Originally Posted by 1lifeliveit

Not necessarily. I think most of us bought a ford coz thats what v cud afford at the time of purchase OR that was what v thought WAS best at the time of purchase

Things have changed from then and they keep changing.

And yes I agree theres no BEST. All depends on personal pref.

Sorry, I was just being sarcastic... doesn't work well on the forum though ;)

[1lifeliveit]

Originally Posted by Teki04

*Scratches his head*

Audi A3 3.2 isn't as polished as the latest R32 Golf (Almost the same car...). Plus, I do believe the Audi S3 is the Audi's Hot Hatch. The C4 VTS is a Warm Hatch. Considering a Fiesta Zetec 1.6L could keep up to one....



And come on - Peugeot 307 Sport isn't much of a Hot Hatch Either. Missing (and extremely good Hot Hatches) include;

Ford Fiesta XR4, Suzuki Swift Sport, RenaultSport Clio 182, Barina SRi, HSV Astra VXR (or is that under Astra Turbo? Because, the SRi Turbo is not as good...), BMW 130iM, Volvo C30 T5, VW Golf R32...

Just to name a few.



Sorry, I was just being sarcastic... doesn't work well on the forum though ;)

Ok I thought i'll limit the poll to just the one class. Fiesta, swift, clio etc fall under a totally different class. Astra turbo is the SRi not the VXR (its price takes it into a diff class). The poll is not by any means exhaustive nor is everyones knowledge. I didnt think I did have to go to exact model names

[Piotr]

Originally Posted by Teki04

*Scratches his head*

Audi A3 3.2 isn't as polished as the latest R32 Golf (Almost the same car...). Plus, I do believe the Audi S3 is the Audi's Hot Hatch. The C4 VTS is a Warm Hatch. Considering a Fiesta Zetec 1.6L could keep up to one....

Prime example of the "My opinion is right so yours is wrong" mentality.

Maybe I just prefer the 3.2 over the S3(Which is just as quick as a 3.2) and R32 and the I like the C4 (and no a Fiesta won't keep up with it). Thats my opinion and you don't have to agree with it

[BPXR6T]

Originally Posted by Piotr

Thats my opinion and you don't have to agree with it

Ouch, man people are touching down in this part of the forums. :

Having never driven any of then I purely vote for the XR5 because I'm currently obsessed with its styling.

[Whitey Ford]

I voted for the one I bought.

Money no object, I would have bought a BMW 130i but it's not an option in the poll.

[orsest170]

Well I’m very happy with my XR5, but if I was to replace it now, and I’m gonna throw in a controversial one here, I’d be looking at the Audi A3 TDI or Golf GT diesel (both have same donk) if they bring it out here. However, If I wasn’t concerned about fuel consumption and the associated emissions, I’d go for the Audi S3 or the twin turbo 130i Bimmer (when it comes out).

Many would argue that a diesel is not worthy of hot hatch status, but the latest 2.0L VW unit puts out a respectable 125 kw and a whopping 350 nm of torque, so it’s no slouch, and turbo diesels respond better to ECU edits than petrol cars do.

But the best bit is the economy – it has a combined (urban/extra urban) consumption of 5.8l / 100 km and a quite incredible 4.5L/100km on the open road. It has the performance of say, a 2.6 litre petrol engine and puts out only the same CO2 / km as a 1.3 L petrol powered car…..works for me.

[Teki04]

Originally Posted by 1lifeliveit

Ok I thought i'll limit the poll to just the one class. Fiesta, swift, clio etc fall under a totally different class. Astra turbo is the SRi not the VXR (its price takes it into a diff class). The poll is not by any means exhaustive nor is everyones knowledge. I didnt think I did have to go to exact model names

Sorry, I just read the 'money no bar' in the poll, so I assumed the more expensive Hot Hatches should also be included.

These classes - are you talking about Price, Size, Fun or Power?

Originally Posted by Piotr

People argue alot here because alot of us have a mentality of "My opinion is right so yours is wrong"


Audi A3 3.2 is missing from the poll and that would be my 1st pick. Second would be a Citroen C4 VTS

I'm sorry Piotr - you most definitely are entitled to your own opinion.

I just never thought of the VTS as a Hot Hatch... purely for the fact every review mentions it is 'underpowered'. I just always thought that a Hot Hatch was just that - Lots of power in a smallish hatch. Topgear agree, pleeding Citroen for a 200bhp version!

I can tell you that a C4 VTS cannot get too far ahead of a Fiesta in Hot Hatch Heaven - the twisty mountains :Up_to_som

Originally Posted by orsest170

I’d be looking at the Audi A3 TDI or Golf GT diesel (both have same donk)

....

It has the performance of say, a 2.6 litre petrol engine and puts out only the same CO2 / km as a 1.3 L petrol powered car…..works for me.

I'd have to agree with you mate. Diesel cars are getting extremely interesting. I've been in a 120dM (120 diesel with M Pack) and it sure was fun! Although... at close to $65k it had better be!

Originally Posted by zetec

I couldn't vote for two. Golf GTi or XR5 Turbo for me, it'd come down to the fact that the XR5 Turbo is just too good value to refuse. Given money is no object in this debate however, I'd still have to settle for the XR5 Turbo for the engine note, the wheels, the Orange paint and the overall styling. MY head says Golf GTi, my heart say XR5 Turbo.

Don't you just hate that Matt! My heart says get an XR5T, my head says save the money. What to do...

[tabaccs]

Money no object, I would have bought a BMW 130i but it's not an option in the poll.

My old lady has a 120i and i understand where you are coming from with the 130i, that 6 engine note would be stunning and they do look the part with the kit.. But as a hatch it has no rear passenger room whatsoever, so if you have family or regularly carry passengers its probly not ideal.. Funnily enough i find myself carting around the family in my two door zetec alot of the time as it has a shietload more space.. Despite that i wouldn't be complaining if they decided to upgrade to the 130i :

[kiwijohn42]

Mini Cooper S

Spanner thrown in works?

Or an Aston Martin, sort of a hatchback.

[xurbanx]

The Golf GTi, cause I think the interior looks snazzy. It's always the Fiesta owners bickering amongst each other!
It's pretty general (the poll), there'll always be people that compare specs and say which is best. To me, I like the Golf GTi and if I had the money I'd buy one!

[XR8-260]

I voted MPS. I know that 190kw and 380Nm is not the smartest idea in a FWD... But no one can argue with the tremendous straight line performance of the MPS 3.

I like the look of the new civic type R and i'm sure it sounds sweet as, but ultimately it needs more go. Same with the golf gti, nice car... but no power.

[zetec]

I couldn't vote for two. Golf GTi or XR5 Turbo for me, it'd come down to the fact that the XR5 Turbo is just too good value to refuse. Given money is no object in this debate however, I'd still have to settle for the XR5 Turbo for the engine note, the wheels, the Orange paint and the overall styling. MY head says Golf GTi, my heart say XR5 Turbo.

[Steffo]

From that list... VW Golf GTI DSG. Simply the best.

[VippiN]

The older hot hatches just look so much better.

[Mick K.]

I'd also go for an Audi S3 or VW Golf R32 if they were on the list. Golf GTI is my pick.

If the XR5 had cruise control...

[photn]

Buy the XR5 Turbo Teki Rofl.....easy peasey... lol....iVoted XR5 cause well. its an XR5. thats all i have to say Rofl. and when i grow up. i might buy one. but i bet by that time the MK3 will be out. awe well. ill stick to the Fiesta for now. so so fun to drive and so so small. its really fun. not to mention the Exhaust Note on my is to die for. well for me anyway Rofl.

[Marshy79]

Hmm

I have not had a closer look at the VXR... but that wasnt an option anyways...

Then I love the idea of the BMW 130i... but thats not an option (and pricey as hell)... 6cyl RWD yummayness... but in reality... it wouldnt hammer through the turns... unless you drove it drifters styles re

I love the Golf... but like the wrxxy has a mario ****er try hard attribute to it... the GTI has an old man thing going with it

[BrisVegas]

R32
GTI
XR5
Zetec...

Money only stretched as far the Zetec!

[FRA]

The Citroen C4 does it for me.

[1lifeliveit]

Finally........

Originally Posted by FRA

The Citroen C4 does it for me.

I was really of the opinion that C4 and R26 wud do better than this

Im actually thinkin of selling my zetec and going for an R26 ( if things go well in the next year or so)

Anyway as they say "horses for courses"

[FRA]

Originally Posted by 1lifeliveit

Finally........
I was really of the opinion that C4 and R26 wud do better than this
Im actually thinkin of selling my zetec and going for an R26 ( if things go well in the next year or so)
Anyway as they say "horses for courses"

I've seen a few c4 around But it's the ad that really sells itself for us.
I want to go and have a look at 1, but driving into the valley puts me off driving down that long road.

[Ives]

I voted the XR5T, it may not be the fastest but it has characters that I like.

[photn]

Originally Posted by Ives

I voted the XR5T, it may not be the fastest but it has characters that I like.

and it comes in orange

[vandrsxr6]

I voted the renault Megane, my mates got a Megane clubsport and after a while they really grow on you.

And for the money the absolutely kill the XR5 for performance and features.

Oh and they come in orange too.

[Ives]

The Electric Orange is definitely a head-turned, nearly every person turned their heads to check out what it is. Looks really good in person. But Ford Aus should also bring in the 3-door.

[mbukukanyau]

I loved this one.. But.. its no longer in production



Inside, its a death trap, but that was the 80's