tafe pointless?

kyro_02 · 21-07-2006, 02:46 PM

hmm should i go to tafe.. get a few pieces of paper(certificates) and get a temporary job until i finish tafe.. than look for a proper job.. or should i just go out and find a job [i have no qualifications!]

i need work either way .. need to support my habit of driving until i settle down than it will be sweet, trying to enjoy myself but cannot cope with no $ !

anyone know of cash in hand jobs :( ?

bArNsY · 21-07-2006, 02:57 PM

I did two years completing certificate 3, diploma and advanced diploma of Business (accounting). It got me heaps of credit points in getting into uni.

When looking for a job what makes you better than other candidates? If a piece of paper that says you have done such and such course and gives you an advantage above the rest then I say go for it. It all depends on what industry you would like to get into and to what extent are you willing to take your education?

I found in Geelong that people would rather employee tafe accounting students over uni students just for the fact that TAFE seems to have a more hands on approach.
In general...if the job is easy, it doesn't pay much
my 5 cents worth...

nat_daly · 21-07-2006, 03:01 PM

definately dont throw away education if your unqualified.. get qualified in something then youll be able to earn a half decent wage.

Kenster · 21-07-2006, 03:01 PM

What course you are considering of doing first especially go for the job you see yourself donig for a while due to the fact of completition in the workforce without been on casual.

I myself done a fair course 2 i didnt complete due to lost interest or it wasnt for me but i just finish my cert 2 in Automotive and looking to do cert 3 if im able to get an apprenticeship spot at a place

turboute · 21-07-2006, 03:01 PM

Tafe will get you into a job if you do not know people- if you can get a start said job without tafe then you will never need it. IE I am a draftsman, got into it without any qualifications never needed them and never will because experience counts for soo much more.

However if you want to go into a field where qualification is necissary (trade etc) then definitely do it as you will not have the ability to get a licence or get insurance etc.

Jeld-Wen Falcon · 21-07-2006, 03:02 PM

Im at TAFE now, and personally I think its a waste of my time at the moment, but it will be beneficial when I look for a job.

big_pete · 21-07-2006, 03:04 PM

im also at tafe, it not bad, im still learning and it doesnt cost me anything near what my uni course cost!

bArNsY · 21-07-2006, 03:06 PM

I know a few people who are 40-50yrs and they are goin to TAFE and doing different courses so they don't have to put up with the Newstart policies from Centrelink!

Tony xa · 21-07-2006, 03:23 PM

I start tafe next week in pre-apprenticship in spraypainting .I think its a waste of 6 months for me but it will help get that apprenticship so I am prepared to throw 6 months down the drain .I only say the above because I am 31 and have built a few cars in my time so far .I have always wanted to be a car painter and I was sick of having no trade and being a car parts interpretor for the last 12yrs just was not cutting it anymore ,nowhere to go in the job no extra money can be earned .

If you do or don't go to tafe finding any trade is worth while and tafe does make that easier to find .

gozza · 21-07-2006, 03:24 PM

If you go to Tafe you have to be committed..they won't hold your hand...

Not all empoyers will care about your quals but more so experience...others don't care about experience but quals only...But if your up against someone with the same experience and you have more quals then its a no brainer isn't it....but having quals doesn't necessarilly mean you will get employed.

Depending on what you do you could think about a traineeship...Employers get goverment inccentives...you get a qualification and also paid.....not a whole lot but its better than nothing....then depending on how you go the employer can choose to keep you on

tafe are government funding sucking leeches

**Mechan1k** · 21-07-2006, 03:33 PM

I learnt a hell of a lot more at TAFE than I did at High School ... and I actually enjoyed it ... was very easy.

I had the choice of Uni or TAFE ... I chose TAFE and made the right decision.

The majority of people i knew at school chose Uni ... got stuck with it for 4-6 years ... came out with qualifications and no experience ... a lot of bummed around and dropped out (with a massive HECS debt) and had nothing.

I was already out there in the workforce 2-4 years before them with experience and it paid off. Uni didn't have work experience where TAFE did. TAFE was much cheaper and I found it beneficial.

I have been in the IT industry now for 10 years ... and doing pretty well (could be doing better ... but i am lazy).

Go get the education while you can ... you may think it is a drag ... but in the long run ... you will thank yourself for doing it in the first place.

kyro_02 · 21-07-2006, 03:53 PM

hmm well i dunno what i want to do for a job... forklift driver is something i think i'd like but then i wouldn't need to go tafe ... but could get a better job if i go to tafe though ! ... hard choice :|

Smoke Pursuit · 21-07-2006, 03:57 PM

Tafe is the way to build up skills and make yourself worth more dollars and especially make employers more interested in taking you on, even if you do something thats not relevant and employer is always going to give merit to those who go the extra mile.

S3SR · 21-07-2006, 04:38 PM

i wouldnt think of tafe as just a place to get some piece of paper... that piece of paper is whats looked at by many employees.. put it this way tafe is the best place to get any piece of paper that you didnt/couldnt get from high school or uni... added bonuses is that there a people to help you through that course... and as a student you get so many benefits and discounts

all depends on how you think about it

XRchic · 21-07-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro 02

anyone know of cash in hand jobs

Not much chance of getting that info out of anyone online, considering it is illegal. LOL

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Originally Posted by bArNsY

When looking for a job what makes you better than other candidates? If a piece of paper that says you have done such and such course and gives you an advantage above the rest then I say go for it. It all depends on what industry you would like to get into and to what extent are you willing to take your education?

Yep, thats exactly right. It depends on what you are trying to get into. These days hands on experience count for a lot as well. And being prepared to learn on the job or undertake further training is a big thing, so if you make it clear you want to learn more, are prepared to study while working, etc, then it helps

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Originally Posted by bArNsY

I found in Geelong that people would rather employee tafe accounting students over uni students just for the fact that TAFE seems to have a more hands on approach.

That sounds very strange. It must be for non accounting jobs as such. There are regulations for practicing accountants to have their accounting degrees, and also for certified accountants to have their CAs as well.

You will also find that most Uni degree courses these days are very hands on and practical compared to how they used to be - there are often very specific practical components. And having studied accounting at uni myself, there is not much difference in practical work to "real" work... its all the same thing! LOL.

All in all, TAFE is definitely worthwhile. You get a lot of choices of things to learn about and a lot of background, especially at a practical level. This is good for getting jobs in many fields and is also really good for getting into Uni later if you want.

It very much depends on what you want to do long term too. If you want a highly paid professional career, that will require a lot of technical knowledge you probably wont get in a TAFE course, law, pschology, science for example. However, you can get jobs very easily without ANY qualifications up in mining areas (as I have found out recently).

Doing something is way better than doing nothing mate. Anything you can put on a CV to make you more marketable is always a good thing!

Good luck

Jac

kyro_02 · 21-07-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by XRchic

Not much chance of getting that info out of anyone online, considering it is illegal. LOL

"i didn't think it was illegal" ! :P

... hmm well i might go to tafe i dunno i'll wait till i can scab some dosh for fuel an go check it out.. pending CBF factor

XRchic · 21-07-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

"i didn't think it was illegal" !

Yes, it is fraud to pass yourself off as a qualified or certified practicing accountant if you are not.

loxxr6 · 21-07-2006, 05:04 PM

I reckon that peice of paper at the end of your study will more than likely help you get a better job.

I'm in the process right now of getting a stack of paperwork together so I can bypass one of the starter IT courses and move into something more technical. I don't rate being in an average paying job and anything which can help me do better (plus is tax deductable) is a good thing.

Do your study while your still keen (and young) enough to do focus on it. Don't be in a position where you look back years later and go "why didn't I do that ?".

Tony xa · 21-07-2006, 06:18 PM

I wouldn't be as worried about going to tafe as I would be worried that you have know idea what you want to do if you do .
Going to tafe is a good idea but knowing what you want to do there is proberly more important .
My first step if I was you would be finding what you want to do .
2nd step would be does it need to be tafe first .
3rd does what I want to do require a appenticship and if so will pre-apprentice help .

Also how old are you .
Don't use going to tafe a excuse not to get on with finding a job or trade go because it will help .eg forklift driver just needs a forklift lience .
Maybe speck to a caree guidence person as this might help .

kyro_02 · 21-07-2006, 06:28 PM

i almost definately be interested as a forklift driver... i am currently signed up to WISE Employment.. they said they will pay for my forklift driving course... but i havn't been to WISE for like 5 months .. they handed me a dictionary of stuff to fill out so i was like GF .. literaly it was as thick as a melways map !

i am 21 so maybe that could help me !

kyro_02 · 21-07-2006, 07:00 PM

no no never said it in that way, as in 'Helping a mate with his work' i think is ok, i wouldn't be passing my self as qualified. but if i was offered cash in hand for a days work or something; than to me, that is fine.. not like it's permanent.

**Falcon Coupe** · 21-07-2006, 07:04 PM

The next apprentice i take on will have a tafe pre-apprenticeship course under his belt, i will not look at him otherwise, i will contact the tafe to find one, i know a few tradesman that think the same.
Going to tafe can lead to good jobs.

TEaaron · 21-07-2006, 07:16 PM

Tafe is probably the best thing I did with my life.

I never passed at school not because I didn't understand the work because I was not the slightest bit intrested in it.

I left school last year at the end of year 10 and did a engineering pre-apprenticeship because I've always been intrested in making and designing things.

I scored a apprenticeship around may through the tafe as a fabrication engineer started as a second year apprentice. I make more money than all of my mates and by the time they finish school i'll be fully qualified while they're out there trying to get a job.

So the moral of the story is that tafe isn't pointless.

Tony xa · 21-07-2006, 07:39 PM

Mate if you want to be a forklift driver tafe is pointless .Go get your forklift lience and start looking for jobs in that area .
Tafe is worth it if what you want to de requires it but worthless if it dosn't .
I still believe a trade is well worth while

XRated · 21-07-2006, 07:48 PM

I went to TAFE before Uni for just over 18 months. I've since been at Uni for over two and a half years, and I can tell you that I learnt a hell of a lot more at TAFE. I'm going to Uni for the piece of paper!

I also like the fact that I had to attend 80%+ of classes to pass. This gave me motivation and I interacted with teachers closely. At Uni, none of my tutors/lecturers would know who I am.

**thefargo** · 21-07-2006, 07:50 PM

do you end up with a massive hecs fee if you go to tafe?

Deanodriver · 21-07-2006, 08:06 PM

No. I don't believe TAFE counts for HECS, and the fees are cheaper, especially with concessions (I think my TAFE fees were like $150 or so).

loxxr6 · 21-07-2006, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deanodriver

No. I don't believe TAFE counts for HECS, and the fees are cheaper, especially with concessions (I think my TAFE fees were like $150 or so).

TAFE is definately cheap. Just out of the book here's some examples.

Yrly Cost

Statements and short courses $316
Cert 1 & 2 $370
Cert 3 $580 (although the one I am doing is $340)
Cert 4 $790
Diploma $1050

etc etc etc

Plus you can pay half yearly and get $ exemptions as others have mentioned.

big_pete · 21-07-2006, 08:34 PM

its much cheaper, especially if you are recieving any centrelink payments.
i get austudy payments, and i payed $75 for my course. when it was normally close to $700.

21-07-2006, 08:52 PM

I went to tafe, did cert 2 in IT (Helpdesk module), during year 11 and 12. After leaving school, I applied for tech support roles, was accepted to 2 IT support roles (internal and public call centre) an IT cert 4 traineeship and Database entry and retrival officer.

Its a good way to get into that position. Talking with various people in the IT industry, they all seem to agree, there are only 2 real worthwile ways to get into an IT job, have a good general knowledge of desktop support and work your way up via focused learning in certain systems ie MSCE, or study hard to get into a certain niche of the industry (learn a programming language for a business system OS).