Holden Caprice V 2016...

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''The 2016 WN Holden Caprice V — official details on which we expect to be revealed around September — looks set to sport a series of significant updates and an uprated V8 engine to see it through to the end of production in late 2017.

Furthermore, information received this week by CarAdvice means we can exclusively reveal that Holden looks set to drop the LPG-fuelled V6 engine option as part of the wider cost-cutting measures we revealed recently, and will run with a single V8 engine and single six-speed automatic gearbox option.

The current L98 6.0-litre V8 engine that produces 260kW of power and 517Nm of torque will be replaced by a 6.2-litre V8 engine with codename L99 (an upgraded version of the LS3 current used in the naturally aspirated HSV range). This engine will locally produce 304kW of power at 5900rpm, down on the same engine used in the Chevrolet SS, in which it produces 310kW of power.

This same engine is expected to be also used in the 2016 VF Holden Commodore SS Series 2, which will launch around the same time.

image: http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/t...e_L99_1_lg.jpg
2012 "L99" 6.2L V-8 VVT (L99) for Chevrolet Camaro SS

The upgraded L99 engine comes with fuel-saving technology that includes E85 flex fuel compatibility and active fuel management that can shut down up to four-cylinders during light throttle loads. Additionally, the L99 engine also comes with camshaft phasing technology, which is the simplest form of variable valve timing, whereby the angle of the camshaft is rotated backwards and forwards relative to the crankshaft.

Our information suggests that the facelift changes and new engine will reduce weight by 2kg in total. This, in addition to the fuel-saving technology of the L99 engine, is likely to reduce fuel consumption from the current 11.7l/100km and increase performance, given the addition of 44kW of power.

The WN Caprice V design has remained largely unchanged since the car was launched in 2006, though it received a very minor exterior facelift alongside a brand new interior in 2013 alongside the launch of the VF Commodore. The same revision saw the price drop by $10,000, making it a more attainable car for those after a long-wheelbase luxury sedan.

image: http://westwheels.caradvice.com.au/t...aprice-V-4.jpg
Holden Caprice V-4

While sales of the Caprice V are up by 10.0 per cent year-on-year in 2014 (a year in which it managed 1218 units), they are down in comparison to the figures of 2011 and 2012, where the Caprice V was hitting almost 2000 units per year.

The Caprice’s only current rival in VFACTS’ Upper Large segment is the just-updated Chrysler 300. The Holden commands more than 55.5 per cent market share. With 614 sales this year, the Caprice has also more than doubled the Hyundai Genesis (282).

The full degree of the facelift is currently unknown and there’s no official confirmation, but our sources suggest that it will be greater than what see on the revised VF Commodore, which is expected to only receive minor styling changes to the front-end. The facelifted Caprice V is expected to be released mid-September alongside said Series 2 VF Commodore.

Holden refused to provide any comment, but has previously commented that it will continue to keep Commodore relevant until its planned end of production in 2017. CarAdvice will keep you posted as more information comes to hand."

Read more at http://www.caradvice.com.au/368361/2...fvIxXeLiMzW.99

[Brazen]

Isn't odd to facelift it so close to the end?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Isn't odd to facelift it so close to the end?

Even the just updated Camry will get another update by the time production ends.

[bigwil]

In the latest Wheels edition on pages 28, there's an in coming section and under October 2015 onwards there is a falcon update, not sure if this is really happening, but maybe with the limited editions sprints due around that time

[irish2]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Even the just updated Camry will get another update by the time production ends.

Yes but production for it will continue in other plants...

[Windsor220]

Surprised they are still selling LWB models. Even the old Fairlane was selling more than that when it got axed.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Surprised they are still selling LWB models. Even the old Fairlane was selling more than that when it got axed.

Sales are up 10% this year. Being 9 years old and costing 60k probably pretty profitable considering it's mostly Commodore bits and pieces. Don't sell many around 1400 a year.

[BLACKVE]

Originally Posted by Brazen

Sales are up 10% this year. Being 9 years old and costing 60k probably pretty profitable considering it's mostly Commodore bits and pieces. Don't sell many around 1400 a year.

I drive past the holden factory each day, heaps of caprices made in last week, lots with chevy badges

[Smoke Pursuit]

They export alot of caprice though. US Police and China get it, as well the UAE. This is probably more the reason why its getting an update.

Ive always liked the caprice. Its a good car to drive with the LWB / 6.0 combo.

[Chopped]

It's a shame that they are putting in L99s instead of LS3s.

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by Chopped

It's a shame that they are putting in L99s instead of LS3s.

It's an LS3 but detuned, 0.3 less compression and has the AFM junk which is a shame because it's more money and time to remove it when fitting a cam. Glad they've announced this though as I was speculating on a new ute if either Ford or Holden was getting an engine upgrade.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by FG50T

It's an LS3 but detuned, 0.3 less compression and has the AFM junk which is a shame because it's more money and time to remove it when fitting a cam. Glad they've announced this though as I was speculating on a new ute if either Ford or Holden was getting an engine upgrade.

totally different engine to the LS3, this is the LS5 bigger brother..

a cam swap would be prohibitively expensive, in the order of $2,000 just for the cam.
assuming some one makes them.. cam in cams variable valves aren't cheap.

[FG50T]

Originally Posted by burnz

totally different engine to the LS3, this is the LS5 bigger brother..

a cam swap would be prohibitively expensive, in the order of $2,000 just for the cam.
assuming some one makes them.. cam in cams variable valves aren't cheap.

No exactly the same but with AFM, dropped comp and less hp. You remove the AFM and fit a regular grind cam. It's basically new lifters, head gasket, chain dampener and valley cover.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by FG50T

No exactly the same but with AFM, dropped comp and less hp. You remove the AFM and fit a regular grind cam. It's basically new lifters, head gasket, chain dampener and valley cover.

a VVT cam grind, yep..

a regular cam is going backwards, that's like deleting cam phasing off the Miami for a high lift.

[damo6]

Originally Posted by FG50T

No exactly the same but with AFM, dropped comp and less hp. You remove the AFM and fit a regular grind cam. It's basically new lifters, head gasket, chain dampener and valley cover.

Along with pushrods and valve springs,been there done that. What a shame they are going to bugger what is considered the best LS series mainstream engine by putting the afm garbage into it.the afm lifter they use is a very crude spring on top of lifter,locking pin set up well known for turning sideways and doing damage.your nuts if you leave them in when doing a cam swap which by the way if your paying someone is about 3g to 4g including a tune.

[XtRmn8]

VF SS range is getting the same engine as well as minor face lift and interior updates.

Apparently the 304kw if for the auto with AFM and the manual will have a higher output. No mention of torque figures.

[bradles024]

I wonder if the manual vf will come with the ls3, like the Camaro does.

[XtRmn8]

Originally Posted by bradles024

I wonder if the manual vf will come with the ls3, like the Camaro does.

Currently the autos get the L98 and LS2 for the manuals.

The MY16 models will get L99 with auto and most likely the LS3 with manual. Will be interesting to see if the manual LS3 will get the 317kw spec as per previous base Clubsport.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/368375/2...v8-with-304kw/

[bradles024]

Originally Posted by XtRmn8

Currently the autos get the L98 and LS2 for the manuals.

The MY16 models will get L99 with auto and most likely the LS3 with manual. Will be interesting to see if the manual LS3 will get the 317kw spec as per previous base Clubsport.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/368375/2...v8-with-304kw/

Are you sure about that? My understanding is the current model has either the l99 or ls3 depending on transmission choice.

[Express]

Originally Posted by XtRmn8

Currently the autos get the L98 and LS2 for the manuals.

The MY16 models will get L99 with auto and most likely the LS3 with manual. Will be interesting to see if the manual LS3 will get the 317kw spec as per previous base Clubsport.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/368375/2...v8-with-304kw/

You're info is incorrect.

Only the HSV’s ever had the LS2 6.0L and they haven’t used that engine since mid 2008 because it didn’t meet emission regulations, it was replaced by the LS3 6.2L.

And the reference to the L98 in the link you’ve posted as being the current engine in the VF Commodore is wrong, that engine hasn’t been used since 2010.

The runout VZ Commodore had the L76 6.0L for a short time in 2006 with the AFM disabled.

It was dropped with the release of the 2006 VE Commodore and replaced with the L98 with no AFM.

From the VE Commodores onwards:

L98 (6.0L - 270kw - 530Nm) from 2006 - 2010 in manual cars.

L98 (6.0L - 270kw - 530Nm) from 2006 - 2008 in automatic cars.

L76 AFM (6.0L - 260kw - 517Nm) from 2008 - 2010 in automatic cars.

L77 (6.0L - 270kw - 530Nm) from 2010 - present in manual cars.

L77 AFM (6.0L - 260kw - 517Nm) from 2010 - present in automatic cars.

The local Statesman has the same engine/trans configuration as the automatic Commodores.

The HSV's have the LS3 6.2L excluding the GTS which has the LSA 6.2L Supercharged.



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[bradles024]

They have them in the states to suit the l99 Camaro so it can be done

[Express]

The run of the mill V8 Camaro comes with two engine options depending on the transmission.

The L99 6.2L with AFM is only fitted to the automatic version - 400hp - 410lb-ft (300kW)

The LS3 6.2L is mated to the 6 speed manual - 426hp - 420lb-ft (318kW)

The above are the US engine outputs.

The L99 is nearly identical to the LS3 with the exception it has Active Fuel Management and Variable Valve Timing.

Holden owners with AFM engines have been doing cam swaps without any problems for a number of years.

There are a lot of cam profiles available and it costs a little more than the non-AFM because most owners chose to delete the AFM and therefore need to swap out the valvetrain.

Those who want to save money keep the AFM and use VVT camshafts of which there are also plenty available.

I wouldn't take much notice of the media reports until Holden confirms what engine configurations will be available.

History shows AFM only for autos which is why the Statesman will probably end up with the L99.

The manual SS commodores may end up with the LS3.

[Hally]

What V8's are current put in the exported Chey SS? Surely that would be the engines sold in the local Commodore?

[bradles024]

Originally Posted by Hally

What V8's are current put in the exported Chey SS? Surely that would be the engines sold in the local Commodore?

Ls3 is in the chev ss

[duaned]

Spot on Express!

[janddbone]

As a Fairlane man, absolutely love the sound of this machine.

[Bossxr8]

VVT with a cam in block. Real high tech stuff

[Brazen]

Don't knock the Chev engine, its more compact than many 4 cylinders. Nice and light. the compact size means you can mount the engine low and back.

Ford 4.6 litre v8 left, Chev 5.7 Ls1 right

[eb2fairmont]

errr thats just a gen 1 350 on the right but get ya point.

[Dr Terry]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

errr thats just a gen 1 350 on the right but get ya point.

That's not a Chevy Gen 1 V8, it's a Ford small block V8 of some type, it has a front-mount distributor. Are they Boss 302 heads ?

A bit pedantic I know, but the GM LSx family of engines are not really Chevys. The separate divisions of GM ceased designing & building their own engines around 1990, when GM-Powertrain was set-up to build them & then supply them to all divisions that required them. So from 1990 onwards all US engines & transmissions are branded as GM-Powertrain, not Chevy, Buick, Cadillac or whatever.

Also AFAIK, the 2 engines fitted the current VF are L77 (260kW) for autos & the L99 (270kW) for the manuals. HSVs get the LS3 (exc. GTS) & the LSA (supercharged) for the GTS.

Dr Terry