Petrol Price crisis......

[Whitey-AMG]

Well.............I'm sure we've all discussed this before in drips over several different threads and topics..........but recently it was announced that the new carbon tax could add anything up to an additional 30C per litre.............and in the foreseeable future.

As it stands......we're all staring down the barrel ( pardon the pun ) at approx $2.00 per litre by the end of the year.

As the owner of a gas guzzling BFGT290........It's really biting into my enjoyment of the beast and has seriously curbed my cruise time.

what the hell are we all gonna do when it costs us $120+ to fill up our average large cars and $90.00+ to fill up your average small car.

I used to drive home from work at least times a week to get out of the office, have a good home cooked lunch and get a real break from the office moronics..............now I find I can save around $100 a month by just staying at work and eating in the lunch room............friggin hell.............I never thought I'd see the day where our lives are being so incrementally impacted in such a short period of time. It costs me approx $24.00 more to fill the car than it did around the same time last year.

I also see that companies like BPR are now offering ECONOMY tunes for the BOSS powered cars as well !!!!!!!!! Sign of the times I guess.

I won't be selling up............yet...........but I know heaps that are seriously considering hybrids and even using VESPAS to do the rounds that they normally would have done in their large car.....

LPG fitters are booked 3 - 4 months in advance and even LPG is approaching ridiculous prices in many fringe suburban areas.

Are we fast approaching the point where running a car on a daily basis is becoming the bastion and privilege of the wealthy whilst the rest of us penny pinch to cope.........????

I've definitely noticed an obvious decline in the number of cars on the road in both peak and off peak hours..........I wonder what all those extra people are doing to get around now..........

[Green X]

Mate i tell ya right now, if they slap another 30cpl TAX on fuel that we the public already pay TAX on twice, I suspect all hell will brake loose.

Don't even get me started on the Carbon trading Bull, Just another way of making money.

[BAxtER]

Originally Posted by Green X

Mate i tell ya right now, if they slap another 30cpl TAX on fuel that we the public already pay TAX on twice, I suspect all hell will brake loose.

Don't even get me started on the Carbon trading Bull, Just another way of making money.

completly agree...this carbon tax is just another money making machine for Governments and large organisations.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by BAxtER

completly agree...this carbon tax is just another money making machine for Governments and large organisations.

Probably ???????...................But its gonna happen...........a bi product of the KYOTO protocol.

Either way............we're all gonna be paying HEAPS more than what we're paying now. I'm starting to struggle now so I can only imagine what it'll be like in 12 months time..................and especially for the poor underprivileged............the unemployed............the low paid...........students and others in the NON BILLIONAIRE club.

I see car pooling and alternative transport ( bike riding to work etc )as the key for short term relief for those that can hack that sort of thing. LPG fitters are doing a roaring trade............

[jinksie]

Originally Posted by Green X

Mate i tell ya right now, if they slap another 30cpl TAX on fuel that we the public already pay TAX on twice, I suspect all hell will brake loose.

Don't even get me started on the Carbon trading Bull, Just another way of making money.

haha CORRECTION "another way to 'take' money" straight out theft. How it is done is like this; a little at a time. The new carbon tax will be a little bit that no one will worry about.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by jinksie

haha CORRECTION "another way to 'take' money" straight out theft. How it is done is like this; a little at a time. The new carbon tax will be a little bit that no one will worry about.

French yellow vests started up after raising of further tax on diesel, which most workers use there - and proposed bans of diesels in town areas... C'est le merde...

[bangm001]

Hi ESP, you arent the only one feeling the pinch, the F6 isnt as economical as people make it out to be!
I think it will come to the point where future generations will consider whether they really need a car or not.. Its much like the housing crisis for first home buyers, I believe people will adapt and begin to live in apartments etc in Australia and even in Adelaide. Luckily I have just bought my house and on a nice healthy block size, but it doesnt leave me with much room for running my car and I really need to think about those long distance trips and cruises now. Not considering moving onto something more economical for now, but the right foot is beginning to show some economy control..

[DJM83]

Agreed here, my TE gets drivin to work and back thats it. So going for a cruise on the w/e is out of the question most of the time. Which is sad becasue i dont get a chance to enjoy the car for what i bought it for, driving.

[boss-290]

Its already costing me $65 for a full tank to fill up my Pulsar. I get around 580kms to a tank.

Its gonna be tough filling up for $90. Especially on my Apprentice Mechanic wage.

[vztrt]

Would it be out of line to say buy some economical used car to go to the shops and work and use the pride and joy for fun driving?? At least if the economobile gets scratched at the shops you wont care.

[XplosiveR6]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Would it be out of line to say buy some economical used car to go to the shops and work and use the pride and joy for fun driving?? At least if the economobile gets scratched at the shops you wont care.

Problem is, the little cash you save on petrol probably wont make up for the extra insurance, registration and maintenance costs of another car. plus their is the problem of having room for it.

If we had a half decent public transport system we could have a viable alternative, but the joke our system is now, for for many people public transport simply is not an option.
Houses are going up faster then infrastructures, which is going to be a big problem, the government is getting too greedy.

[blackauman]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Would it be out of line to say buy some economical used car to go to the shops and work and use the pride and joy for fun driving?? At least if the economobile gets scratched at the shops you wont care.

This is what takes place at my place. The XR stays in the shed a lot of the time, this has a few effects:-

1. Excel gets binged at supermarket, don't really care.
2. Costs less in fuel.
3. Keeps Km's down on XR.
4. Makes XR more enjoyable to drive because not in it all the time (makes it special everytime).

[Yellow_Festiva]

Guys, sorry to say, but it's just something you are going to have to deal with.

Start with what you already have. You can increase your km per tank by changing your driving style to a more sedate one, removing all extra weight and kepping things like alingment and a slightly higher than factory specified tyre pressure in check. Got roof racks that get used once in a blue moon? remove them. Buy petrol Tue evening or Wed morning before the weekly price hike of 10c/L.

This alone can get you an extra 15-20% distance for $ spent.

Having a second economical car is not an option to be honest. Running costs are far more than just petrol in the tank. A cheap scooter will still end up costing you around $50 a week, so a cheapish yet reliable second hand car would be around $100-120 a week at least. So unless you do 1000km a week it's not worth getting a second car.

Public transport is shite house, but for me it's actually cheaper to drive the car to work than catch the train. Driving also saves around 40 minutes a day travel time. Our decision makers should see how some other countries implement and use mass rapid transport... what we have on offer is shameful to say the least.

Just take the extra money needed from somewhere else? 2 less drinks at the pub a week, 1 less night out on the town a month, 1 extra family meal cooked at home every week?

If selling your big 6 is on the cards, do it now, not when prices are $2 a litre and every man and his dog are trying to offload their large cars.

[anobserver]

When we bought our current six pot car, we were coming from a small four cylinder hatchback. Really loved that car, but keeping it as a second car didn't stack up financially. Our weekly spend on fuel doubled, but it's only a part of the total ownership cost.

Registration,insurance and servicing for a second car can easily be a few thousand a year. That buys quite a bit of mileage in our larger, more comfortable, and safer six cylinder car. So I reluctantly let the old car go.

If geopolitical turmoil means shipping lanes are disrupted and petrol is rationed, the end result will be the same. We'll all be driving a lot less, there will be shortages of essentials as we are so truck dependant, and the size of the engine under our (cold) bonnets won't be terribly relevant.

[Mark^^]

Originally Posted by ESP

what the hell are we all gonna do when it costs us $120+ to fill up our average large cars

Dude that already NOW, not the future. My last two fill on the Territory have been at $120, but that's with 98 ULP as thats what my tune is set for.

I also live out of town, so not choice to use public transport or other method of getting to work or town.

[Falcon_Phill]

We'll live. Stop buying so much and you'll be right. At least we still have cars and live in a decent country.

[JAZSXY]

Saudi Arabia increases production by 200,000 barrels a day, Nigeria decrease production by 300,000. And your telling me its not about the coin.

There is a simple saying. What goes up must come down. Maybe not this year or the year after, but a credit crunch is coming bigtime. Economies are going to go bust and we will all be left to sit and wonder how the f***n hell it happened.

[The G6ET Spot]

The only crisis I can see is when we actually run out of oil and they can't produce any more petrol to put in my ute.

Until that time I'l keep on enjoying the noise of the BOSS every time I drive it;.

[cupic]

Originally Posted by JAZSXY

Saudi Arabia increases production by 200,000 barrels a day, Nigeria decrease production by 300,000. And your telling me its not about the coin.

There is a simple saying. What goes up must come down. Maybe not this year or the year after, but a credit crunch is coming bigtime. Economies are going to go bust and we will all be left to sit and wonder how the f***n hell it happened.

If a Beduin shepherd farts in arabia, oil rocking up to $US300 pbl

This is all horse crap the arabs ruskies and the has the globe by the balls

Any excuse to print there own money is a good enough reason to jack up the price.Hurricanes in the Mexician gulf WTF only accounts for 3% of total world production.but when one strikes oil goes bananas


cheers

[ivorya]

How would you like the Tax to be implemented?
Would you like the Carbon Tax on fuel say 30c or would you like a Tax implemented on your car renewal based on weight/ fuel consumption and CO2 emissions?
I guess we're still lucky, only having fuel at $1.70. I remeber being in Holand 5yrs ago, they were paying $2.50 then.
I'll probably get shot but ....... Whether this global warming crap is real, nobody knows, but at least we now have someone in power thats acually looking into the future more then just his time in parlament!

[Cruise]

I'm sure we won't be paying $2 a litre soon

[Van D]

Originally Posted by Cruise Control

I'm sure we won't be paying $2 a litre soon

You're in denial then.

We have it lucky here with petrol prices. What we don't have is good roads/public transport.

My mate just bought a rego'd old carolla for $600. Costs him stuff all to run compared to his charger and spends about $50 on fuel a week. I'm going to be doing the same thing. Most people say it's a waste and costs more to get a second car, eh. It adds up pretty quick, and though I realise others may be in different situations. I'd rather pay around $900-1300 up front for a cheap car, just cop it on the chin and be able to drive where ever I want, then feel like a penny pincher with petrol every single week.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by Van D

You're in denial then.

my friend who studies commerce agrees with me, he says the reason petrol has jumped up so much lately is because now when you see petrol going for $1.55 you think you are getting a bargain, yet you are still gatting ripped, you just don't realise it as much.

[Green X]

Originally Posted by ivorya

but at least we now have someone in power thats acually looking into the future more then just his time in parlament!

Bulldust!

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Green X

Bulldust!

Come ON!!! Do you worry wether this Global thing is real? Do you have Kids? Do you think how all this could affect them down the track?
If this decision adds lots of coin to there warchest, so be it, they'll have to give it back in some way, ie/better public transport etc.
Would you be happy if elma phud said they'd donate the Carbon tax to CSIRO for R&D into Organic production of fuel so we don't have reliance on the the new wave of Terror? Probably not, Your probably only looking 4yrs down the road.............

[Green X]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Come ON!!! Do you worry wether this Global thing is real? Do you have Kids? Do you think how all this could affect them down the track?
If this decision adds lots of coin to there warchest, so be it, they'll have to give it back in some way, ie/better public transport etc.
Would you be happy if elma phud said they'd donate the Carbon tax to CSIRO for R&D into Organic production of fuel so we don't have reliance on the the new wave of Terror? Probably not, Your probably only looking 4yrs down the road.............

I Got 2 mates who are environmental scientist's and my Uncle is the environmental go to guy on the hole global warming Jargon i get fed it all the time. Kyoto is outdated, it was signed as a post election hype

I have huge issues with the way the whole carbon Tax works, Bottom line is a group of people is once agene will be making big money out of it and once agene it’s the Average Joe Public that makes the smallest impact takes the hard hit.

My Top boss at work has, a SL5000 Merc, Range rover sport and some other Merc 4WD+ a 60ft Boat do you thick he gives a toss about a Carbon Tax NO, The company Quotes now just get adjusted to cover it and he’s on a $600,000 salary, Do I get a pay rise to cover it NO I just get to Cop it sweet.

If it happens where does my $18 a week in Fuel carbon tax go to?? And how is it helping change the environment. The WA Government just received Billions in new iron ore revenue due to a price hike why is that not being pumped into Environmental change?? No that we will just stick another TAX on fuel instead.

You do the math, if say Just in Australia 20,000,000 people pay $18 a week in carbon tax and all that money is pumped into Environmental change and research, if we don’t have car’s in 3 years that covert goat P*&% into gasoline that when burnt produces oxygen questions need to be rased.

Now that Fuel is 1.60 a liter why don't they take all that Extra Cash they get from that 10%GST that used to take 10% of 90CPL and put that into the environment.

Economist's and Governments Talk growth, growth and growth as well as cliament change, well ya can't have ya cake and eat it to.

Australia’s Footprint on a global scale is so stupidly small even if we go 100% carbon neutral it isn’t going to do Chit.

End rant.

[JAZSXY]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Come ON!!! Do you worry wether this Global thing is real?

Its called the circle of life. Earth heats up, earth cools down.... To what we know is an ICE AGE that happens every so many million years. We are only increasing the time frame it comes around by pumping crap into the air. It is inevitable and there is not a damn thing we can do to stop it coming around again. Its just how the world works.

[atec77]

Originally Posted by ivorya

How would you like the Tax to be implemented?
Would you like the Carbon Tax on fuel say 30c or would you like a Tax implemented on your car renewal based on weight/ fuel consumption and CO2 emissions?
I guess we're still lucky, only having fuel at $1.70. I remeber being in Holand 5yrs ago, they were paying $2.50 then.
I'll probably get shot but ....... Whether this global warming crap is real, nobody knows, but at least we now have someone in power thats acually looking into the future more then just his time in parlament!

Krudd has no one but his own stratagies at heart , he is after all a one term pm so will shaft us without mercy and certainly wont put in place anything long term , only a fool would look to the labor party for construction , if they cant stop committing stupid acts like threatening restaurant staff how would they form a sensible stratagy in the face of rising fuel prices ?

[honer]

Originally Posted by ivorya

How would you like the Tax to be implemented?
Would you like the Carbon Tax on fuel say 30c or would you like a Tax implemented on your car renewal based on weight/ fuel consumption and CO2 emissions?
I guess we're still lucky, only having fuel at $1.70. I remeber being in Holand 5yrs ago, they were paying $2.50 then.
I'll probably get shot but ....... Whether this global warming crap is real, nobody knows, but at least we now have someone in power thats acually looking into the future more then just his time in parlament!

The Earth cooled 0.7degrees C in the last year.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by honer

The Earth cooled 0.7degrees C in the last year.

So does this mean Ice Age occuring for Northern hemisphere???? WOW seems like something is happening hey!!!