holden leaving australia?

[BHDOGS]

I heard this on the radio and looked it up holden questioning car manufacturing in australia i cant post up the link preview dont know how to so heres the general link.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...e&section=news

[falconnut]

Good riddance :p

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by falconnut

Good riddance :p

No, not good riddance. Firstly, Holden employ about 5,000 Australians. Secondly, if Holden pull up stumps, so will Ford, and Toyota, leaving 250,000 Australians out of work. Car manufacturing is a huge industry in Australia, and employ many, many people.

No Holden = No Ford. Cruze may be losing Holden bucketloads, and I don't like their cars, but I wish them no ill.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Originally Posted by Paxton

No, not good riddance. Firstly, Holden employ about 5,000 Australians. Secondly, if Holden pull up stumps, so will Ford, and Toyota, leaving 250,000 Australians out of work. Car manufacturing is a huge industry in Australia, and employ many, many people.

No Holden = No Ford. Cruze may be losing Holden bucketloads, and I don't like their cars, but I wish them no ill.

Agreed big time

I have family that work at both Ford and Holden and that would send them to the wall not because they have massive loans etc but that is all they know what to do in the working world and they will prob never get work anywhere else

Jason

[Lotte]

Originally Posted by Paxton

No, not good riddance. Firstly, Holden employ about 5,000 Australians. Secondly, if Holden pull up stumps, so will Ford, and Toyota, leaving 250,000 Australians out of work. Car manufacturing is a huge industry in Australia, and employ many, many people.

No Holden = No Ford. Cruze may be losing Holden bucketloads, and I don't like their cars, but I wish them no ill.

Not to mention the manufacturing companies that build clusters and other car parts for these companies in Australia, Continental, Australian Arrow, Bosch, and Siemens to name a few...

Not too mention, ford are surviving on half weeks while Holden is back to full weeks, are hiring more people, and we're supplying them with more product than we anticipated over the coming months. Holden aren't going anywhere

[onfire]

Originally Posted by Paxton

No, not good riddance. Firstly, Holden employ about 5,000 Australians. Secondly, if Holden pull up stumps, so will Ford, and Toyota, leaving 250,000 Australians out of work. Car manufacturing is a huge industry in Australia, and employ many, many people.

No Holden = No Ford. Cruze may be losing Holden bucketloads, and I don't like their cars, but I wish them no ill.

And lets not forget. No competition. Which means, instead of just being complacent, Ford AU will just not care to make their cars any better.

[bungarra]

Probably want some government protection or is the Caprice cop car going to be made in Canada or the US?

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Probably want some government protection or is the Caprice cop car going to be made in Canada or the US?

it was always intended to be built in north america. australia is only a stop-gap to get the jump on Ford taurus police interceptor.


what will happen? my guess is they'll all pull out and import them fully, then the econometric downturn will make the govt pay to set up a new Australian car manufacturing industry (eg another Holden) and so it all goes around again.

[vanman_75]

keep buying them cheap hyundais folks , they are great value till aussies dont have jobs ,end rant .... this is not good .

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

keep buying them cheap hyundais folks , they are great value till aussies dont have jobs ,end rant .... this is not good .

too true

[Windsor220]

Same as if Ford go Holden will most likely follow. I think we will see them all leave at roughly the same time as Ford are making it quite clear that Falcon will be gone after FG.

In regards to workers, surely they must have some idea that the industry is shakey. If they are smart they will do something now to secure a job post closedown. Like part time study etc. You should never take a job for granted. I know its sad for people to lose jobs but it shouldn't be up to the rest of us to bail them out when the product is over priced and poorer quality.

[Werd.]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

keep buying them cheap hyundais folks , they are great value till aussies dont have jobs ,end rant .... this is not good .

How exactly is your 20 year old Ford supporting jobs?? People will buy what in their minds equals the best value.

[au2000]

Originally Posted by Werd.

How exactly is your 20 year old Ford supporting jobs?? People will buy what in their minds equals the best value.

keeping repco in business !!!

[P6LTD351]

My first reaction to that story is that Holden want more Government assistance. This is just pre amble to getting a helping hand and more funding.

At the end of the day, as much as I'm blue blooded, I wouldn't want Holden to stop Australian manufacturing. Or maybe they could go back to making Fords? After all, that was what Holden Motor Bodies actually made in the early days!!!! Old Model Ts.

[roberts]

its funny because its and American company and its the Americans that are manipulating the currency to keep it low to try and win back manufacturing which only makes sense that the jobs will leave here and go to them. We are sitting ducks with this high currency why pay Australian workers $66,000us a year to make cars when the Americans will do it for $24,000us, china is setting the manufacturing example with currency manipulating which results in lower costs and Australians feel rich buy default except when you have no job then the currency doesn't mean sh-t, ask Gillard its her good work that has resulted in our high currency.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by roberts

its funny because its and American company and its the Americans that are manipulating the currency to keep it low to try and win back manufacturing which only makes sense that the jobs will leave here and go to them.

No, their currency is low because they have a $14.3 trillion debt and they're
about to have the ceiling raised another $2.3 trillion to stop them defaulting.
By comparison, our $30 billion debt looks bloody lightweight...

[roberts]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No, their currency is low because they have a $14.3 trillion debt and they're
about to have the ceiling raised another $2.3 trillion to stop them defaulting.
By comparison, our $30 billion debt looks bloody lightweight...

are you forgetting, qe1, qe2 and soon qe3. creating currency out of thin air, not even cost of production, just that account 600 billion bang. Well all the other currency become worth less than it was before. The federal reserve bank knows this and is trying to beat china at its own game. Although china just pretends to have massive growth by building citys that no one lives in, so there GDP goes up. If creating currency out of thin air worked then why not just say this account 14,3 trillion please and pay the debts, just doesn't work. Our currency isn't high theirs is just artificially low. If the us defaults on it loans then our currency want go up, it will be pulled down the hole with it, its just not backed by anything.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No, their currency is low because they have a $14.3 trillion debt and they're
about to have the ceiling raised another $2.3 trillion to stop them defaulting.
By comparison, our $30 billion debt looks bloody lightweight...

We have credit card debt alone of $49.3billion, that figure has worsened since GFC 2008-9 when it was $46 billion. Our personal (non GovCo) levels of debt are among the worlds highest.
http://www.news.com.au/money/money-m...#ixzz1MiDEa51X

Australia is a bubble.

Reserve Bank of Australia "figures show mortgage, credit card and personal loan debts now stand at $1.2 trillion, up 71 per cent from just five years ago and equating to $56,000 for every man, woman and child in the country." (Source: Sydney Morning Herald, December 2009)

To compare Australia's position on the debt leader board to the U.S., each Australian adult is currently in debt to the value of around US$56,000, compared to the debt of American adults of US$44,000. Australians' mortgage, credit card debt and personal loans total over AU$1.2 trillion, which is an increase of 71 per cent from just five years ago.

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[Gobes32]

Originally Posted by roberts

We are sitting ducks with this high currency why pay Australian workers $66,000us a year to make cars when the Americans will do it for $24,000us,.

Maybe 66k if they work every Saturday. Most Ford workers are living on 3 days pay a week, so they are actually closer to your supposed US wages of 24k............

[roberts]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Maybe 66k if they work every Saturday. Most Ford workers are living on 3 days pay a week, so they are actually closer to your supposed US wages of 24k............

i meant by comparison, Americans have always been payed a low wage, compared to us as there dollar was worth more and the cost of living is less. You can buy a brand new house on a block in the states for around $80,000 try $500,000 in Australia would be like servicing the mortgage in Australia with $50,000 a year compared to $8,000 a year, now if your an American business and your paying an Australian with our now higher currency it makes sense to pay an American to do the job as the cost will be lower, just like china did to the Americans and the rest of the world.

[theboxmike]

Personally i don't care for Holden. I would feel bad for their workers but i wouldn't care at all for the image.

Ford wouldn't stay as well if Holden pulled out though. Unless Australia became instrumental in the Mustangs future.....

[roberts]

Originally Posted by theboxmike

Ford wouldn't stay as well if Holden pulled out though. Unless Australia became instrumental in the Mustangs future.....

what if ford USA would sell you a 4 door mustang cheaper than a xr8? would you buy one as long as you kept your job? and then I guess the american after market suppliers would make all the bolt on goodies so there goes our aftermarket industry.

[galaxy xr8]

I remember posting a thread a few yr's ago, when my wife meet with the CEO of one of the big 4 bank's where she work's, his opinion about the car manufacturing in Aus was very dim back then and qouted "Australia's car manufacturing is questionable" and he didn't believe that it was sustainable for the future.
Everybody here ridiculed me about it.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

I remember posting a thread a few yr's ago, when my wife meet with the CEO of one of the big 4 bank's where she work's, his opinion about the car manufacturing in Aus was very dim back then and qouted "Australia's car manufacturing is questionable" and he didn't believe that it was sustainable for the future.
Everybody here ridiculed me about it.

Yeah funny that.... When You make a bold statement that is logical, & you get shut down as fast as pulling the plug on the computer.

It's absolutely logical that car manufacturing in OZ simply is not cost effective, as opposed to korea, or the like. Our wages are an absolutely devastating cost. Among other things. Look at the most "profitable" car, per unit, & it's not a commodore or falcon.... Or cruise for that matter.

[HUNTER8]

Originally Posted by Conundrum

It's absolutely logical that car manufacturing in OZ simply is not cost effective, as opposed to korea, or the like. .

Korea have been protecting their auto industry for years with ridiculous restriction on imports, tax audits if you buy a foreign car etc.
Do a bit of research and you'll find the playing field is not even.

[tezxr8man]

Originally Posted by HUNTER8

Korea have been protecting their auto industry for years with ridiculous restriction on imports, tax audits if you buy a foreign car etc.
Do a bit of research and you'll find the playing field is not even.

They wouldn't be the only ones that do it either, we used to here but it's way too easy for our government to sell out every five minutes than to fight for what we have here these days

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by HUNTER8

Korea have been protecting their auto industry for years with ridiculous restriction on imports, tax audits if you buy a foreign car etc.
Do a bit of research and you'll find the playing field is not even.

The best one is the 25% education tax on imports.

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Holden ain't going anywhere they are not gonna throw away the name. Manufacturing on the other hand will prob go. Isn't the Zeta platform now dumped by GM.

[roberts]

oh and if holdens start getting made in America and people still buy them, which they will, the end product will be worst then what Chrysler pumps out, parts availability next to none and weeks and months wait time. Oil leaks you bet ya, reliability hahah.

[ivorya]

They are just having a big soook.

They have just jumped on the band wagon and are going to blame the Carbon Tax for, potentially, their demise.
It wasn't the Australian Govenment that said said we'd build the cruze here for that price!!

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by ivorya

They are just having a big soook.

They have just jumped on the band wagon and are going to blame the Carbon Tax for, potentially, their demise.
It wasn't the Australian Govenment that said said we'd build the cruze here for that price!!

yeah right , there is an old run down derilict manufacturing facility , in baulkham hills which was state of the art , american pharmaceutical plant up until 2008 when the global recession occured , america shut down the australian plant putting 100's out of work to call the plant back home and employ thier own people to kickstart thier own employment and economy , REMEMBER AMERICA pretty much owns everything , that state of the art factory worth millions , empty now has grass growing through it and is still for sale .
i really am disgusted on the secret plan or lack of plan australia has for its citizens . we are losing work so fast , that pretty soon the only skills an aussie will have is to gas bag , type , and wipe ones own rrrrsss.