Cyclists V Cars

[csv8]

I had problems with cyclists ,this morning. Road hogging, I had to crossover the centre line to get around them.
Which, got me thinking, cyclists are like fleas on a dog. A nuisance to car drivers, they infest the road.
Sorry if this offends, but cyclists need to obey the road rules. Not think they are above the law. Then, they wonder why they get hit !!!
Cyclists should be registered and held accountable for their riding, when on public roads. Not run red lights etc..
Maybe its a few spoiling it for everyone else. Cycling Queensland won't do anything about.."its just car drivers being impatient" BS!!!
Off my soapbox...

[Whitey-AMG]

Yes - some of them can be bad - I have more issues with Motorbikes lane splitting at 100Klm/h.............

[gtxb67]

car drivers are just as arrogant - and there are many more of them around

[graham7773]

Isn't there a special exemption for cyclists so they don't have to obey road rules? Actually, I think that some car/truck drivers think they are exempt from road rules/laws.

[madwag]

No one is perfect and we all need to take a deep breath count to 10 and try to avoid doing something you regret

[XR6TCraig]

Let me start this post by saying that I am not a cyclist. I am however a motorcyclist which is another much targeted minority. I also believe that the roads are for everyone to use as they please provided it is within the law. Not just car drivers, many of who for some reason believe that they are the only one with a god given right to use the roads! It is this attitude by some motorists which causes many more accidents than the odd one involving a bike! In many ways, we all pay for the road system regardless of our chosen mode of transport, so live and let live I reckon.

Now what is really erking you? The fact that many people don't follow road rules, or the fact that a slower moving vehicle in front of you (which has the right to be there) is slowing your trip to work by a couple of seconds? Whats your hurry anyway?

I cross over the centre line all the time to pass slow moving cars and trucks. Explain to me the difference?

Cyclists do have to follow the road rules, just like truck drivers, car drivers, scooter drivers and motorcyclists. Whether or not they do is up to them, but they face the same thing as you do in your car if caught.

I don't believe that cyclists should be registered, because I cant see a point in it. Most people who cycle do so because of the health benefits, something which should be encouraged in this lard ****, couch potato world that we now live in.

They don't do it to avoid rego, so why would you propose that they be lugged with rego, the cost of which may in fact discourage them from this healthy endeavour, particularly when the road system doesn't take them into account for the most part. In other words, the government wouldn't do anything to make it safer or easier to get around on the road on a bike with the collected rego money, so why should they pay for the privelidge? 99.9% of them already own multiple vehicles which they no doubt pay through the nose for rego, insurance, etc.

[FTe342]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Cyclists do have to follow the road rules, just like truck drivers, car drivers, scooter drivers and motorcyclists. Whether or not they do is up to them, but they face the same thing as you do in your car if caught.

I don't believe that cyclists should be registered, because I cant see a point in it. Most people who cycle do so because of the health benefits, something which should be encouraged in this lard ****, couch potato world that we now live in.

1st paragraph - Really? How many points will they lose?

2nd paragraph - last time I thought about it, you are a long time dead in a box! What's healthy about that?

Cyclists need to use some common sense and pick where they ride (to stay healthy).

Consider me driving a 26 metre B double tanker on the Pacific Hwy between Wahroonga and Artarmon. There are sections of the road, some 2 lane but mostly 3 lane, where the lanes are not even as wide as the wheelbase of the truck, travelling in a straight line. So you can imagine the truck needs more than two lanes when negotiating bends in the road. Empty @ 18 ton, loaded @ 68.5 ton. It won't stop on a dime.
So its a Sunday, traffic is lighter than usual but its still one of the busiest roads in the country ffs, clearway does not apply and parked cars on corners are being missed by inches by the tri axle on the rear of the B trailer. I can't move over, there are cars in the lane next to me, who can't even see the parked cars, cyclists etc in the left lane.

With or without the B double (and I am not the only truck on the road) its potentially death alley for cyclists. Yet they insist on riding this hwy, singly and in groups, in the quest to stay healthy?

Personally I think they have an ego problem. Look at me, riding my expensive pushy. Go somewhere where its safe! Like a park or a velodrome. Why do you need to be on the busiest hwy in the country flirting with death. If you feel the need for your feet to go round and round, go to the gym or put an exercise bike in the loungeroom.

So when I blow the horn to let you know there is 26m of truck coming by, don't look at me with the death stare because I am not giving you room. Wake up and cycle somewhere else

[reinman]

Originally Posted by FTe342

Consider me driving a 26 metre B double tanker on the Pacific Hwy between Wahroonga and Artarmon. There are sections of the road, some 2 lane but mostly 3 lane.....................So when I blow the horn to let you know there is 26m of truck coming by, don't look at me with the death stare because I am not giving you room. Wake up and cycle somewhere else

Absoluetly right, when I'm in a semi trailer with 40 000L of Unleaded or Diesel onboard, I'm not stopping in a hurry, and I'm certainly not moving into the oncoming lane.....some cyclist (not all of them) need a little more common sense.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by FTe342

1st paragraph - Really? How many points will they lose?

Because having points taken off your licence is the main deterrent to not breaking the toad rules, yeah right!

Cyclists can lose points off their drivers licence, that is if they aren't 5 years old and actually have a car licence, which most adults in Aus do. They even give morons a drivers licence.

They can also be done for DUI and speeding just like anyone else on the roads.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by csv8

I had problems with cyclists ,this morning. Road hogging, I had to crossover the centre line to get around them.
Which, got me thinking, cyclists are like fleas on a dog. A nuisance to car drivers, they infest the road.
Sorry if this offends, but cyclists need to obey the road rules. Not think they are above the law. Then, they wonder why they get hit !!!
Cyclists should be registered and held accountable for their riding, when on public roads. Not run red lights etc..
Maybe its a few spoiling it for everyone else. Cycling Queensland won't do anything about.."its just car drivers being impatient" BS!!!
Off my soapbox...

cyclists had a wonderful day.. out in the fresh air....

fattys unite wheezing behind their keyboards lacking in vitamin D.....

[XR8_ash]

Originally Posted by csv8

I had problems with cyclists ,this morning. Road hogging, I had to crossover the centre line to get around them.
Which, got me thinking, cyclists are like fleas on a dog. A nuisance to car drivers, they infest the road.
Sorry if this offends, but cyclists need to obey the road rules. Not think they are above the law. Then, they wonder why they get hit !!!
Cyclists should be registered and held accountable for their riding, when on public roads. Not run red lights etc..
Maybe its a few spoiling it for everyone else. Cycling Queensland won't do anything about.."its just car drivers being impatient" BS!!!
Off my soapbox...

Up in the Adelaide Hills, there are ******** parasites......
They ride 2 or 3 abreast therefore making you either jump on the brakes to 20km/r or overtake. Now when I do the speed limit going around a blind corner just to be faced with a wall of these c**ks and I have no where to go its only a matter of time when they will cause a serious accident. Now we all know the ...... yeah but car/truck/motor bike rider are ...... blah, blah blah, just remember that we have to to pay rego and tax. A cyclist that causes an acident can just peddle of with no rego, no I.D, no insurance etc....

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by XR8_ash

just remember that we have to to pay rego and tax. A cyclist that causes an acident can just peddle of with no rego, no I.D, no insurance etc....

Cyclists don't pay any tax or rego? Maybe I better get myself a bike.

If your post is accurate, I then don't need to pay that $2500 rego bill I get for the 2 cars and 2 motorcycles that I own every year! Nor do I have to pay over $30K in income tax, as I currently do!

[lockieoc]

The cyclists who ride Old Pac from Somersby to Berowra have an absolute death wish, the amount of idiots I have seen riding two sometimes even three abreast is just ridiculous, don't even get me started on the morons on motorbikes who think that its the Nürburgring

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by XR8_ash

Up in the Adelaide Hills, there are ******** parasites......
They ride 2 or 3 abreast therefore making you either jump on the brakes to 20km/r or overtake. Now when I do the speed limit going around a blind corner just to be faced with a wall of these c**ks and I have no where to go its only a matter of time when they will cause a serious accident. Now we all know the ...... yeah but car/truck/motor bike rider are ...... blah, blah blah, just remember that we have to to pay rego and tax. A cyclist that causes an acident can just peddle of with no rego, no I.D, no insurance etc....

two minute tourists with tissue boxes on the parcel shelf are a bigger problem up in the hills.. pulling up and throwing u turns on blind corners and how they love to travel at 30kmh below the posted limits....

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by XR8_ash

Up in the Adelaide Hills, there are ******** parasites......
They ride 2 or 3 abreast therefore making you either jump on the brakes to 20km/r or overtake. Now when I do the speed limit going around a blind corner just to be faced with a wall of these c**ks and I have no where to go its only a matter of time when they will cause a serious accident. Now we all know the ...... yeah but car/truck/motor bike rider are ...... blah, blah blah, just remember that we have to to pay rego and tax. A cyclist that causes an acident can just peddle of with no rego, no I.D, no insurance etc....

By SA law, if there is no bike lane, they are allowed to ride in the middle of the lane if they want.

[csv8]

Craiginmackay, what erked me was, they were outside the designated cycle lane, clearly painted in green with a bike symbol !! They were on the actual road !! Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by csv8

Craiginmackay, what erked me was, they were outside the designated cycle lane, clearly painted in green with a bike symbol !! They were on the actual road !! Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

So where is the illegal thing coming into it. Pretty sure that not using a bike lane is not illegal. Do you get upset when buses are not in bus lanes, or people car pooling puul out of the T2 and T3 lanes congesting up the road more than it needs to be?

Do you really think that collecting a small fee each year for bike rego is going to provide better infrastructure in terms of bike lanes all over QLD? Motorcycles pay rego. Seen any motorcycle lanes about?

Outside of Brisbane, 90% of the state doesn't even have a decent enough shoulder on the roads to pull over in the event of a breakdown, so I don't see anyone putting in more bike lanes if you started slugging cyclists a few $ a year.

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Motorcycles pay rego. Seen any motorcycle lanes about?

Not specific ones .... but they are allowed to use Bus and transit lanes legally anytime they like.

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Not specific ones .... but they are allowed to use Bus and transit lanes legally anytime they like.

Thats true but they are not specifically for motorbikes. Besides which, there are no bus or transit lanes within 1000klm of my place of residence. Does this mean I get some kind of rebate on my bike rego for not being able to use these?

In some parts of Europe, they have a box between the stop line and the pedesrian crossing at a set of lights. This is for motorbikes and scooters to filter through the traffic and have somewhere to go when at the front of the queue. Nothing like that here though, is there? No allowancesin road design for anything with less than 4 wheels!

[Jim5_0]

The only thing that ****** me off about a cyclist riding on the road when there is a cycle lane next to them is that they have no regard for their OWN safety as the cycle lane is a much safer alternative than the road.

A mate of mine cycles to work almost every day. If he does not cycle then he drives his Discovery. I for one would rather be stuck behind a cyclist than a Walley Trolley blocking my view down the road.

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Motorcycles pay rego. Seen any motorcycle lanes about?

There's always a separate motorcycle lane on every single road i see........If its a 2 lane highway - the centre lane becomes the Motorcycle lane - and the speed limit in that lane always seems to be 20Klm/h higher than everyone else.

If its a single lane carriageway - then that becomes a 3 lane highway for Motorbikes - the single lane that cars and trucks use and then there's the left of the car or the right of the car almost on the wrong side of the road and usually at a much much higher speed.........

In reality - stunt motorbike riders / bad car drivers / drugged up truck drivers are all a much bigger daily hindrance that your poor average cyclist..............just move over slightly and give them some room.

[XR8_ash]

cyclist..............just move over slightly and give them some room.[/QUOTE]


Very true. However these stunters pulling huge 100mph high chair wheelis (LOL) and druged up truckies all have number plates, thus allowing a bit of identification later on.

[ratter]

Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

I do not use my local library or many other council/Government supplied services, so should I be able to get a discount on my rates or taxes?

My wife and I already pay quite a few regos, why do I need to pay more?, but asking that, I'll happily pay rego for my bike, when there is a system in place that you pay rego for how many klms you travel no matter which vehicle you are using.
If you have a small child and Santa brings them their first bike for Christmas, will you happily now pay for registration?

[My poor XF]

Originally Posted by csv8

Craiginmackay, what erked me was, they were outside the designated cycle lane, clearly painted in green with a bike symbol !! They were on the actual road !! Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

I dont know may cyclists that don't also own 1 or two cars. Does being a cyclist excempt them from all taxes and rego? Because if so I'm in!

Their allowed to be there you just need to chill out. It's drivers with your attitude that stop me from riding on the roads!

[XR6TCraig]

Originally Posted by csv8

Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

Mate, you seem to forget cyclists ARE taxpayers. They probably already own a couple of registerable vehicles. Buy houses and pay stamp duty, rates, etc,etc. Own businesses and pay company tax,etc.

They probably pay more income tax and GST than you depending on income of course. They are already contributing!

There are many other things that the government spends money on that you may not get use of, for example the Fed gov just gave my local basket ball association 6 million for a stadium upgrade. I pay a heap of tax yet I won't get to use this facility. Should basketballers pay rego to cover this? I don't see why the taxpayer should pay for it. What does basketball contribute to the economy?

How much would bike rego cost if it were to come in? $40 a year? How is $40 a year even going to put a dent in the cost of extra bike lanes that the average cyclist would now feel they are entitled to if paying rego?

[XR8_ash]

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Mate, you seem to forget cyclists ARE taxpayers. They probably already own a couple of registerable vehicles. Buy houses and pay stamp duty, rates, etc,etc. Own businesses and pay company tax,etc.

They probably pay more income tax and GST than you depending on income of course. They are already contributing!

There are many other things that the government spends money on that you may not get use of, for example the Fed gov just gave my local basket ball association 6 million for a stadium upgrade. I pay a heap of tax yet I won't get to use this facility. Should basketballers pay rego to cover this? I don't see why the taxpayer should pay for it. What does basketball contribute to the economy?

How much would bike rego cost if it were to come in? $40 a year? How is $40 a year even going to put a dent in the cost of extra bike lanes that the average cyclist would now feel they are entitled to if paying rego?

Fair and true call. All I think about when reading this is;

Scenario - Out of the way hills area.
Action - I'm on a pushie and cause an acident with a motor bike and the bike rider goes down.
Outcome- (If I'm okay) I can just give heaps of fake info as there is no rego plate on my $2000 Carbon Fiber pushie for the other member (or any one else for that matter) to take down for later on. The motor bike rider can't even use the cyclists insurance details as 1. he has no insurance on the push bike and 2 you don't even have any real details of who he is.........

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by XR8_ash

Fair and true call. All I think about when reading this is;

Scenario - Out of the way hills area.
Action - I'm on a pushie and cause an acident with a motor bike and the bike rider goes down.
Outcome- (If I'm okay) I can just give heaps of fake info as there is no rego plate on my $2000 Carbon Fiber pushie for the other member (or any one else for that matter) to take down for later on. The motor bike rider can't even use the cyclists insurance details as 1. he has no insurance on the push bike and 2 you don't even have any real details of who he is.........

but if you walk out onto the road and force the motor cyclist to take avoiding action and he falls off, it is the same situation - you have no insurance, and can give a fake name too

[HLC]

Originally Posted by XR8_ash

Fair and true call. All I think about when reading this is;

Scenario - Out of the way hills area.
Action - I'm on a pushie and cause an acident with a motor bike and the bike rider goes down.
Outcome- (If I'm okay) I can just give heaps of fake info as there is no rego plate on my $2000 Carbon Fiber pushie for the other member (or any one else for that matter) to take down for later on. The motor bike rider can't even use the cyclists insurance details as 1. he has no insurance on the push bike and 2 you don't even have any real details of who he is.........

Wrong.

My Contents insurance covers my bike, and gives me Liability up to $20 million if I cause an accident on the roads.

Any cyclist worth his/her salt would have his '$2000 carbon fibre pushie' listed on their insurance (contents or bike specific) which will include some kind of public liability while in use.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by shonkymofo

There is a difference between being legal and being courteous though.

If someone on the road is going 1/3 to 1/2 of the speed limit I think it is very selfish to prevent people from being able to pass you safely because of your road position, regardless of whether you are on a bike, car, truck, whatever.

Agreed. Last time I checked, driving too slowly and generally impeding traffic flow is a bookable traffic offence. Cyclists should keep up with the flow of traffic or get back in the cycle lane.

Originally Posted by Craiginmackay

Mate, you seem to forget cyclists ARE taxpayers. They probably already own a couple of registerable vehicles. Buy houses and pay stamp duty, rates, etc,etc. Own businesses and pay company tax,etc.

So?

Just because cyclists already pay taxes and rego, they should be exempt from paying rego on their second vehicle (bike)? Why doesn't that apply to motorists who also pay taxes AND rego? If I choose to buy a second car I'll have to pay rego for that too.

[I reckon]

Originally Posted by csv8

Craiginmackay, what erked me was, they were outside the designated cycle lane, clearly painted in green with a bike symbol !! They were on the actual road !! Why cyclists should be registered is too pay for the dedicated cycle lanes. The money has to come from somewhere. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for them..motorists pay with rego, fuel taxes etc for the roads. So, why shouldn't cyclists?????? off my soap box, again.

i agree they want to use it pay for it, and your dead right they wonder why they get there sorry *** hit when they are 2 metres in the lane you are driving in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they ******* **** me!!!!!!!