Ecoboost Falcon with Focus RS engine swap

[Eaturbo]

I wonder if the Focus RS engine would bolt straight into the Falcon Ecoboost sedan. It would be awesome to have a 257kw Ecoboost Falcon that's gets great fuel economy plus heaps of power and light. Would certainly be a great car given how light they are and how good they would handle. Maybe with a few mods and 280kw it would make a great alrounder

[Craig@AUDI]

Why not just bore/stroke the 2.0 in the car to 2.3 spec?

[Eaturbo]

Originally Posted by Craig@Rockdale

Why not just bore/stroke the 2.0 in the car to 2.3 spec?

Well there you go, I thought the Ecoboost in the Falcon was already 2.3L. That's makes the Ecoboost engine in the Falcon half the size of the normal 4L. Really disappointed that this engine didn't take off given the effort made make it work in the Falcon.

[78xcgxl]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Well there you go, I thought the Ecoboost in the Falcon was already 2.3L. That's makes the Ecoboost engine in the Falcon half the size of the normal 4L. Really disappointed that this engine didn't take off given the effort made make it work in the Falcon.

Massive waste of time by ford AUS, why would anyone want a 4 cylinder falcon over a 6 cylinder to save only 1 litre extra of fuel per 100kms. Difference is not big enough to justify choosing it over the Barra. Ford should spent the money else where, like in interior tech and marketing for the ecolpi falcon.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

Massive waste of time by ford AUS, why would anyone want a 4 cylinder falcon over a 6 cylinder to save only 1 litre extra of fuel per 100kms. Difference is not big enough to justify choosing it over the Barra. Ford should spent the money else where, like in interior tech and marketing for the ecolpi falcon.

I got mine because of the car balance. Removing the 80 odd kilos from the front end bought the weight distribution back close to 50-50. You have to drive one to appreciate it.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Well there you go, I thought the Ecoboost in the Falcon was already 2.3L. That's makes the Ecoboost engine in the Falcon half the size of the normal 4L. Really disappointed that this engine didn't take off given the effort made make it work in the Falcon.

They never intended the Ecoboost in the Falcon to be a performance car.
regardless it is disappointing they never advertised it, what a waste of effort by the engineers

[Danny]

What a waste of a Focus RS motor....

[blakef6]

Just leave it in the RS and its better than the falcon. Its a far better car then a falcon with an RS motor

[Top_Ghia]

Put in a 4.0T engine and mod that to 500kw and leave the RS alone.
Seriously some are calling the RS the greatest performance car ever made and you want to stick it's engine in a Falcon? The Falcon is dead my friend. Move on.

[Shonky.]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

some are calling the RS the greatest performance car ever made

Biggest. Call. Ever.

[Yellow_Festiva]

It would have been a good idea had there not been a turbo engine in the Falcon already.

The I6 is already very efficient for what it is, and 280kw would be made no sweat.

The fuel savings would be minimal once you factor in the extra weight and the extra tune / mods needed. The cost involved would negate the savings.

[FalconXV]

I really like this idea, with the Mustang Ecoboost's manual transmission. Or just transplant a Mustang 2.3 driveline in and tweak it to RS spec :P Falcon RS yummy.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by FalconXV

I really like this idea, with the Mustang Ecoboost's manual transmission. Or just transplant a Mustang 2.3 driveline in and tweak it to RS spec :P Falcon RS yummy.

That would be the easier, and cheaper way to do it...

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

That would be the easier, and cheaper way to do it...

Yeah but then you'd still end up with an under powered falcon? The 2.3 works in the mustang because it's nimble. After driving one, it's so different to the falcon it's ridiculous. Think go-kart compared to a ferry.

[Escort_RPDriver]

I'm more intrested in what and Ecoboost falcon or Mustang engine would be like in a MK 1 or MK2 Escort.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Escort_RPDriver

I'm more intrested in what and Ecoboost falcon or Mustang engine would be like in a MK 1 or MK2 Escort.

lol... Ive been having this same discussion with my best mate about something similar in his Mk2 RS2000...

As for the OP... Just buy an XR6 Turbo with 270kw (plus) standard and work that one... Be much easier and cheaper..

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

lol... Ive been having this same discussion with my best mate about something similar in his Mk2 RS2000...

As for the OP... Just buy an XR6 Turbo with 270kw (plus) standard and work that one... Be much easier and cheaper..

Hmmmm.. I'd be a bit worried about bastardising a (genuine?)rs2000 but to do it to a 1300L or something would be interesting. My wife drives a 2012 ecoboost g6 and its not a bad thing, however a 270kw xr6t would definitely bring more smiles. There is so much you can do with them, however in the same train of thought there are some advantages with direct injection, mainly running higher compression with boost as there is only fuel introduced at the last of the compression stroke somewhat eliminating detonation. Getting a proper setup will probably take its fair share of failures in the process and whilst its not a new thing most tuners are probably more familiar with pumping big numbers out of the trusty 4L

[csv8]

Or the twin turbo v6 in a Falcon?

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by csv8

Or the twin turbo v6 in a Falcon?

Which one, theyve got 3 now

[csv8]

Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Which one, theyve got 3 now

The new one in the Fusion Sport..."New to the Fusion range is the Fusion V6 Sport, which uses a 2.7-litre turbocharged EcoBoost V6 that produces 243kW of power (325Hp) and 475Nm of torque (350lb.ft), and sends torque through an all-wheel drive drivetrain." http://www.caradvice.com.au/408180/2...lines-changes/

[nstg8a]

Aus govt paid for a big chunk of ecoboost Falcons development I think, and it was linked to further govt aid.

[malazn mafia]

I'd go the other way and ask if the Mustang 5.0 Flat-Plane V8 would bolt into a Falcon and electrically work with minimal fuss ? Imagine one with no raised bonnet, stock bodykit, white and widened steel wheels. Would be the ultimate weapon.

[bradles024]

I bought mine because everyone has the same attitude of why would anyone want one? Which makes them very cheap in the used market. They are very nice to drive, they go well and use bugger all fuel. Awesome family car I think.

[commodorenutt]

I know several people who got an FG2 purely because of the EcoBoost. They were previous Camry & Mazda6 drivers, and would never consider the "thirsty" big 6 (purely out of ignorance). 2x G6 & 1x G6E. They are all happy with their purchase.

The small niche the EcoBoost was aimed at could have been exploited far better by both Ford and Govt fleets who were actively pushing the "maximum 4 cylinders" rule that killed off Falcon & Commodore fleet sales.

10-15 years ago my wife's pool cars (a health service) were all Falcon & Commodore wagons, with the odd Camry sedan. EVERY vehicle need that had an Aussie-made vehicle suitable for the purpose had to be an Australian manufactured car.
If there was no suitable Aussie vehicle (such as a dual-cab tray ute) they could look at imports (like a hilux).

Almost overnight in 2008 they were told to play by new rules: nothing over 4 cylinders for all replacement vehicles. Now they're all i30 wagons, with a rare Mondeo wagon, and one or 2 Corollas. Task vehicles that were Falcon utes are now Amaroks, despite the Falcon still being available.

The LPi Falcon (sedan & ute), and the ill-fated straight LPG VE wagon were both more economic to run than any of the current fleet, and could comfortably take 4 occupants + equipment to various functions - now they often need to take 2 cars instead of 1.

[Eaturbo]

Few nice FGX G6E ecoboosts on car sales. Still think they would be a very nice package with the RS engine with a 6 speed auto. More referring to the handling, steering and braking

[Shonky.]

unless of course you mean the 911 GT3 RS

in which case, as you were

[outback_ute]

Even then they are saying the Cayman GT4 is better, one of the British car mags recently gave that the performance car of the year over the GT3 RS.

Definitely the Mustang 2.3 would be easier to swap in, already being a rwd configuration. Where would you find a Focus RS engine to use anyway, it will be a very low-production car.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

Definitely the Mustang 2.3 would be easier to swap in, already being a rwd configuration. Where would you find a Focus RS engine to use anyway, it will be a very low-production car.

Part of what the aussie engineers did was make the ecoboost fit into a RWD, because before that they were only fitted to FWD.

[Eaturbo]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

Even then they are saying the Cayman GT4 is better, one of the British car mags recently gave that the performance car of the year over the GT3 RS.

Definitely the Mustang 2.3 would be easier to swap in, already being a rwd configuration. Where would you find a Focus RS engine to use anyway, it will be a very low-production car.

When one gets written off. Like a few have said this engine in an old Escort would be crazy with only rear drive.

[commodorenutt]

They did do a late night ad I caught on TV once.
Then I got it a few times via email.

It's up on youtube: