Why police deserve respect!

prydey · 21-10-2007, 06:33 PM

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22623085-2,00.html

just saw this on news.com. what a horrible thing for that man to go through.

we've all bagged cops before, myself included, but this is an illustration of just how tough their job can be and why they at times seem to have very little tolerance.

what makes it a little worse is that his son's mates were breaking the law at the time by driving on L plates unsupervised.

Next time you have an altercation with a cop and he/she seems a little grumpy or whatever, just spare a thought for what some of them have to go through from time to time.

I realise its not just cops that have to deal with this type of thing though. A lot of ambo's must live in fear as well, wondering what they will find every time there's a call out.

SnoopXR6 · 21-10-2007, 06:41 PM

That would be devastating, and is also something that is a worst nightmare for anyone in emergency services.

Bucknaked · 21-10-2007, 06:48 PM

Just head it on the news.

zigzagnt · 21-10-2007, 06:50 PM

Thats terrible.Just saw it on channel 9 news.I actually personally know a few cops and they're not bad people.So i have never "bagged" the police myself as i realise they have a a tough job which i couldn't do (for several reasons).

TEaaron · 21-10-2007, 06:59 PM

There's no mention of speed or hooning or young inexpiranced driving.

uranium_death · 21-10-2007, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TEaaron

There's no mention of speed or hooning or young inexpiranced driving.

As Aye You said, there was mention of inexperienced driving.

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Originally Posted by News.com.au

The driver of the car was on his learner plates, police have said.

"Neither passenger was qualified to be a supervising driver," a police spokesman said.

"The crash happened about 12.30am ... when a Commodore sedan left the road, struck a tree stump and became airborne before it hit a second tree.

Hmmm...also, they were also irresponsible.

The fact that the car became airborne may imply (but does not guarantee) that speeding did take place. I am not familiar with Glen Innes or where Pinkett Road is, but to hit a stump would say he lost control and to fly would mean the car was travelling at a fair speed.

But the bottom line is that they broke the law. As sad as it is, just desserts.

You only get one chance at life...use it well.

rodderz · 21-10-2007, 07:28 PM

Have to feel for the bloke, not sure if he recognised the car involved but would be a sickening discovery

Police cop it from all angles, sure there is the odd bad one (which can be the same for anywhere else) but they are only doing a job and do it well

AussieMarc · 21-10-2007, 07:30 PM

as a PT i have had a few cops as clients.. the amount of crazy stories i have been told is just amazing. i have the utmost respect to cops to be honest with you. there is a lot of s*** in their job as with any job but these guys have to deal with dead bodies on a regular occurance. not to mention constant arrogent crims and what not..

aye you · 21-10-2007, 08:03 PM

TEaaron, driver was on L plates if im not mistaken

XR8 Uterous · 21-10-2007, 08:52 PM

Something similiar happened to my Pop, he was a tow truck driver and always lived in fear of going to a scene and seeing my mums car was the car involved, one day it happened, my mum was hit by a stolen car running from the police which collected her and she ended up rolling the car 3 or 4 times landing upside down. She survived the crash but Pop sold the tow truck company after that accident. This was a good 20 years ago though.

Would hate to be in the position where you could come across a love one like that.

Lukeyson · 21-10-2007, 09:00 PM

its just crazy as, feel sorry for the bloke, he will be screwed up for ever, i would imagine if he continues his job, he will feel sick everytime a Motor Vehicle Accident is called ... tragic thing to happen to anyone

zetec · 21-10-2007, 09:18 PM

Yet another Learner in a "safe" non-turbo, non-V8 powered vehicle that is probably not equipped with DSC... a tragic reminder that you don't need to be driving a performance car to lose control and further proof that the current solution clearly doesn't stop inexperienced drivers from tragically killing themselves and others.

This is such a constant reminder, always always the same type of accident, country road, single vehicle, multiple teenage passengers, more often than not a Holden Commodore. I feel for anyone involved, especially the policeman. NSW North Coast has had far too mant identical accidents.

fmc351 · 22-10-2007, 04:10 PM

No parent should ever have to bury a child, and no parent should have to be the one to find them that way. Thats awful, poor bugger its an image he will never shake, ever. Most people who go through the loss of kids have to know it happened, imagine how etc, and that is horrific enough. This guy got to see it in every detail.

There are different ways you could read this article when looking at the context of this thread. The 'knockers' seem focused on feel sorry for the copper purely as a result of losing a child, and while I do, its not how I read it for the context of deserving respect. Its perspective.

I read it as, apart from the obvious tragedy, police are concerned for your safety, the government may not be, but Police usually are. They too feel the pain of losing someone close, or fear of, and they see the accidents every day that dont lead to death, but so easily could have. Then they see you speeding, hooning, etc.

When the copper is hard on you for breaking road rules, think tough love, not bullying. He is concerned for you, your passengers, but also the other people on or near the road, the innocent unsuspecting public. You may not like his/her approach, but recognise at least that they are coming from the right place. Safety is most likely his/her perspective, not 'party pooper'. They are trying to prevent a tragedy, not clean it up after the fact.

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

Why does the officer deserve any extra respect because his son died and he happened to be called to the scene?

You answered your own question.

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Originally Posted by zetec

Yet another Learner in a "safe" non-turbo, non-V8 powered vehicle that is probably not equipped with DSC... a tragic reminder that you don't need to be driving a performance car to lose control and further proof that the current solution clearly doesn't stop inexperienced drivers from tragically killing themselves and others.

With the lack of logic displayed by legislators, do you really want to draw more attention to those facts.

The result of getting your point across will not be a reversal of the current laws, just a tightening of them. Hows a Daewoo Getz sound as your first car? Think about it, thats how they work.

**Captain Stubing** · 21-10-2007, 09:19 PM

I was talking to an AIS officer (Accident Investigation) and was wondering why he was even more an*l about people breaking road rules... then I found out he lost his 18yo son in a speed-related accident.

This man seemed to be on a personal crusade, being hard on offenders, maybe trying to stop the same thing happening to others.

I don't want to be in that situation... ever!

RIPGMH · 21-10-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22623085-2,00.html

just saw this on news.com. what a horrible thing for that man to go through.

we've all bagged cops before, myself included, but this is an illustration of just how tough their job can be and why they at times seem to have very little tolerance.

what makes it a little worse is that his son's mates were breaking the law at the time by driving on L plates unsupervised.

Next time you have an altercation with a cop and he/she seems a little grumpy or whatever, just spare a thought for what some of them have to go through from time to time.

I realise its not just cops that have to deal with this type of thing though. A lot of ambo's must live in fear as well, wondering what they will find every time there's a call out.

I'm going to spare a thought for this man, but not because he is a police officer so much as that he is a father who has lost a son.

T_Terror · 21-10-2007, 11:19 PM

Sorry maybe i missed something in that article?

Why does the officer deserve any extra respect because his son died and he happened to be called to the scene?

Offtopic, but why do people keep saying that cops deserve a break for doing a hard job?
THeyre getting paid for it, i dont see janitors getting pity for cleaning up .

I just respect them as I do all people that i meet and everyone is happy :-)

Condolences to the family..

la2or · 21-10-2007, 11:22 PM

this has got nothing to do with respect for police.

gtxb67 · 21-10-2007, 11:28 PM

a janitor does not have to be first on the scene of an accident and see the broken people up close. they do not have to go and knock on someones door and tell them their loved one is not coming back. they deserve a lot more than they get. all the emergency services do

la2or · 21-10-2007, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

a janitor does not have to be first on the scene of an accident and see the broken people up close. they do not have to go and knock on someones door and tell them their loved one is not coming back. they deserve a lot more than they get. all the emergency services do

that's subjective. A lot of people want to become police n ambulance.

What about the taxi drivers getting lowly paid and a dangerous job and they are allowed 0 weapons.

Where's this money going to come from are you going to pay for the wage increases of all the emergency services?

i think qld police start on 46k for example good for a starting wage. What do you want them paid 80k-100k a year?

Interceptor · 22-10-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by la2or

that's subjective. A lot of people want to become police n ambulance.

What about the taxi drivers getting lowly paid and a dangerous job and they are allowed 0 weapons.

Where's this money going to come from are you going to pay for the wage increases of all the emergency services?

i think qld police start on 46k for example good for a starting wage. What do you want them paid 80k-100k a year?

you think $46k is a fair wage for what an average officer goes through?

la2or · 22-10-2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Interceptor

you think $46k is a fair wage for what an average officer goes through?

yes. If they dont like it change professions.

A lot of cops are office jockeys too arent they like working at roma street doing paperwork. Like it is not like all cops have to do the dirty work.

RockyF75 · 21-10-2007, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

a janitor does not have to be first on the scene of an accident and see the broken people up close. they do not have to go and knock on someones door and tell them their loved one is not coming back. they deserve a lot more than they get. all the emergency services do

No but they'll have to clean up some drunken bums puke/crap/p155 etc cause they where too wasted to aim properly the night before.

One thing I've learn't in life is don't judge someone else's job till you've tried it.
I've got respect for cops in general, the respect their position demands, but there are some out there that let the team down.

Its terrible when something like this happens no matter who's first on the scene. But at the end of the day the kids where doing the wrong thing. They may not have deserved it, but you reap what you sow.

normxb · 21-10-2007, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22623085-2,00.html
just saw this on news.com. what a horrible thing for that man to go through.
we've all bagged cops before, myself included, but this is an illustration of just how tough their job can be and why they at times seem to have very little tolerance.
what makes it a little worse is that his son's mates were breaking the law at the time by driving on L plates unsupervised.
Next time you have an altercation with a cop and he/she seems a little grumpy or whatever, just spare a thought for what some of them have to go through from time to time.
I realise its not just cops that have to deal with this type of thing though. A lot of ambo's must live in fear as well, wondering what they will find every time there's a call out.

Yes , I do think it's harder on the Police / Ambo's & Emergency Services because they have to see it ALL the time which is stressful enough and they get "sick of it" , But to turn up and find it's One Of Your Own , now that would be extremely hard on them .

The Mrs nephew is an Ambo Paramedic and got transferred back to the city from a country region , pulling 5-6 y/o kids out of car wrecks eventually "got to Him". Small towns are a "close knit" community . This Policeman would be in the same position .

Same as Police "Can't have a social life like you or I" , they go to the pub & someone who's had a few too many comes & abuses him for pulling his son up for speeding , hooning etc. . He just Might have saved that guys , sons Life .

If you're a Mechanic / Brickie / Builder , would you like someone abusing you Saturday night because you did a "rough job" a few months ago ?

Sorry , but I do Feel for the Cop

Norm

**Mechan1k** · 22-10-2007, 01:53 AM

Damn if you think that is fair pay for what they have to deal with .... step in thier shoes for a while and see what it feels like.

Both my Brothers in law are in the Police force ... one just graduated ... and it's not an easy job that's for sure.

I'd be wanting more than $46K pa for that job ... and it's actually less then that for 1-year probationary officers anyway ... and they get thrown in the deep end as well.

Paperwork is always a part of the job ... and needs to be done after each job is attended to. They don't all sit around in the station as you make out.

MY TY · 22-10-2007, 11:09 AM

la2or is a prime example of why we need police - what an unbelievable mentality

DBourne · 22-10-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MY TY

la2or is a prime example of why we need condoms- what an unbelievable mentality

fixed

RIPGMH · 22-10-2007, 05:56 PM

Terrible way to find out, but in reality its the actual loss that's devastating. The majority of the people shot by police have a parent/s that would be going through similar emotions as this man. Pity him but not because he is a policeman.

la2or · 22-10-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RIPGMH

Terrible way to find out, but in reality its the actual loss that's devastating. The majority of the people shot by police have a parent/s that would be going through similar emotions as this man. Pity him but not because he is a policeman.

when police shoot people they usually deserve it imo.

like in maryborough that bikie stabbed and paralysed a guy at foodworks maryborough the cops should be allowed to shoot anyone wielding a knife openly and acting like a not once he started stabbing someone.

uranium_death · 22-10-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by la2or

when police shoot people they usually deserve it imo.

like in maryborough that bikie stabbed and paralysed a guy at foodworks maryborough the cops should be allowed to shoot anyone wielding a knife openly and acting like a not once he started stabbing someone.

Apostrophes would make your posts a lot easier to read...

Also, whenever police pull the trigger, there is a review to ensure that the use of the firearm was justifiable. You can't just shoot...trigger happy cops are dangerous.

There is a reason why police now have pepper spray and truncheons.

Also, to shoot a man in a public place poses a risk to other people as a wayward bullet may harm other people.

The solution is not as simple as you would like...

la2or · 22-10-2007, 07:51 PM

IT is simple.

of course they should have reviews they should have cameras and stuff recording.

But cops are made to use pepper spray and batons when really it would be best if they shot some people.

Like a kick or punch can be fatal if a career criminal (multiple convictions no doubt of him being guilty) is trying to attack them it would be ideal if the police were allowed to shoot them.