FIFO advice

[mytgxl]

Hi to one & all! I`m looking for any work in Newcastle area preferably but finding it hard at the moment! my question is does anyone have some advice on picking up some fly in fly out work? I have no experience in this area, Or a job would be even better! Any help would be appreciated thanks in advance. Paul.

[Motorbreath310]

What sort of experience do you have? Whatever the answer to that question; pretty much everyone's doing it tough at the moment. Even if you got some mining work, depending where/what it is, the pay rates aren't what they used to be.

I heard Wongawilli mine in the Illawarra has recently lost 200-odd people because they wanted to pay the workers an hourly rate somewhere in the 20's. Before that, workers for the company that owns said mine weren't being paid at all. There's also a rumour going around at the moment that one of the larger mines in that area is soon to be scrapping all of it's contractors as well as some permanent staff. This is all for underground coal mining, mind you. Not sure what copper and iron ore are doing.

Xstrata were advertising for people at Ulan not long ago, based out of Mudgee.

[05_ENFORCER]

SFA going on out there atm, very slim pickings.

If you have experience, say 1-2 yrs, consider moving to the Pilbara of W.A or NTH QLD.

If you need a job and want to be paid peanuts, consider NZ.

Coupla new mines starting up in W.A in the next 6-12 months, I also heard of a new mine startup in S.A shortly pending approvals.


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[dirtyclevo]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

SFA going on out there atm, very slim pickings.

If you have experience, say 1-2 yrs, consider moving to the Pilbara of W.A or NTH QLD.

If you need a job and want to be paid peanuts, consider NZ.

Coupla new mines starting up in W.A in the next 6-12 months, I also heard of a new mine startup in S.A shortly pending approvals.


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you have to remember not everyone works in the mines, or they dont want to. money isnt everything.

on New Zealand! Have you been talking to kiwi's? about the wages they got in nz, they over exaggerate how bad the pay was.

they tell you the wage after they converted the wage they were getting in nz to australian dollars, and then knock off a few dollars for a rant.

Im a mechanic. i was working in wellington in 2008 on $29 /hr. its not the "best" but it was pretty good.

only drop kicks over there were on minimum wage. doing brainless jobs. the brainless jobs dried up in nz, and thats why all the brainless kiwi's have moved over here. to work in brainless bottom feeder jobs.

its not uncommon to find a good paying job in nz. but you need a trade or degree etc.

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by dirtyclevo

you have to remember not everyone works in the mines, or they dont want to. money isnt everything.

on New Zealand! Have you been talking to kiwi's? about the wages they got in nz, they over exaggerate how bad the pay was.

they tell you the wage after they converted the wage they were getting in nz to australian dollars, and then knock off a few dollars for a rant.

Im a mechanic. i was working in wellington in 2008 on $29 /hr. its not the "best" but it was pretty good.

only drop kicks over there were on minimum wage. doing brainless jobs. the brainless jobs dried up in nz, and thats why all the brainless kiwi's have moved over here. to work in brainless bottom feeder jobs.

its not uncommon to find a good paying job in nz. but you need a trade or degree etc.

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I am well versed on the NZ work front and the current rebuilding opportunities Cuz

Haere rā

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[Gambit]

Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

There's also a rumour going around at the moment that one of the larger mines in that area is soon to be scrapping all of it's contractors as well as some permanent staff.

Is this at Mt Arthur? There seems to be a few rumours going around about a few places atm

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by Gambit

Is this at Mt Arthur? There seems to be a few rumours going around about a few places atm

Nah that was in reference to Appin, down Wollongong way.

And yup, the rumour mill's been churning out at max capacity as of late. Even by mining standards.

[Stazza_Brendan]

Nothing up here in northern qld.
Unless your ticketed, experienced, pay your own flights, transport yourself to site and also get $25 an hour.

[351buzz]

Originally Posted by Stazza_Brendan

Nothing up here in northern qld.
Unless your ticketed, experienced, pay your own flights, transport yourself to site and also get $25 an hour.

far out. I was ummin and ahhing about a year ago when my mate was talkin about all expenses paid and 60 something an hr.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by 351buzz

far out. I was ummin and ahhing about a year ago when my mate was talkin about all expenses paid and 60 something an hr.

Long gone. Bloke I know has been an operator in the mines for years. Could chop and change jobs anytime he wanted. Was getting $55.00 an hour FIFO. Left his last job for a months break. Took 6 months to find another job in NT only this time $35 an hour and pay for his own flights in and out..........

[Fordman1]

I thought this was about "First In First Out".

[mytgxl]

This is not good news guys! any one need help re building there cars! lol have plenty of experience in that area!

[Stazza_Brendan]

Problem 2 years ago up here was it was hard to get experienced people. And then keeping them.So the rates went up to entice people.
Now with the downturn and redundancies/downsizing there's a heap of blokes sitting at home.
I'm grateful I got to stay in my job considering when my pit had redundancies I hadn't been there that long.

[351buzz]

well, well, well, things have changed for me then.

Last year I was a lazy, slack arsed, hermit, that couldn't even be enticed with 60 something an hour. a real loser.

today I'm the loyal company-man, that wouldn't leave his boss in the lurch for love nor money. a real loser..

might have to hit the boss up for a raise.

[HULK_I6T]

I was over in the pilbra a few years back. I was only there for a week on a very specific work assignment..

From what I saw....

Yes people were being paid very well. Very very well.

It was something like 14 days on and 10 days off. Fly in fly out. I met plenty of people from Sydney and Brisbane/melbourne, people trying to make some quick money. I think flights were also paid and allowances for accomodation. Plenty told me it was an 18 month idea for them to pursue. Some squirrel away money and get the heck out of there as soon as they have enough cash saved up, others blow their money on booze and hookers and never leave.

However rents were very very steep. To rent a place was like $1500+ per week!! So people would share and stay 2-3 blokes per caravan, sleeping on the floor to save money.

There was absolutely nothing to do, nothing to do.. People just drink themselves silly every day after work. I stayed in my hotel as I was told it gets very dangerous at night.

People are away from their families or sometimes by themselves so you will be surprised at how many bordelos are up there. They know the men have plenty money and nowhere else to spend it.

It was also sad to hear what happens in the indigenous communities out there. It was very us and them. I didn't think australia was like that, but very shocked and saddened at the divide.

If you want to make some money quickly go but you will have a pretty crappy time over there.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by HULK_I6T

I was over in the pilbra a few years back. I was only there for a week on a very specific work assignment..

From what I saw....

Yes people were being paid very well. Very very well.

It was something like 14 days on and 10 days off. Fly in fly out. I met plenty of people from Sydney and Brisbane/melbourne, people trying to make some quick money. I think flights were also paid and allowances for accomodation. Plenty told me it was an 18 month idea for them to pursue. Some squirrel away money and get the heck out of there as soon as they have enough cash saved up, others blow their money on booze and hookers and never leave.

However rents were very very steep. To rent a place was like $1500+ per week!! So people would share and stay 2-3 blokes per caravan, sleeping on the floor to save money.

There was absolutely nothing to do, nothing to do.. People just drink themselves silly every day after work. I stayed in my hotel as I was told it gets very dangerous at night.

People are away from their families or sometimes by themselves so you will be surprised at how many bordelos are up there. They know the men have plenty money and nowhere else to spend it.

It was also sad to hear what happens in the indigenous communities out there. It was very us and them. I didn't think australia was like that, but very shocked and saddened at the divide.

If you want to make some money quickly go but you will have a pretty crappy time over there.

Grog is the key with our indigenous brothers, I went from Newman WA which was pretty much a free for all ( no heavy beer etc after 8pm) was a bloody shambles and seen some pretty mad ****

To Gove NT where there was restrictions in place, photo of for purchase etc (yea you still had the odd ratbag but)

Totally different town, clean town, with beautiful proud people

[ray38l]

there's still money in fifo in W.A. my girlfriend just got a job there $50 an hour cleaning and her brother is at the same site as a tyre fitter on $56 an hour. they both work 2weeks on 1 week off. they have to pay there airfare to Perth and from there the flight to the site, food and accommodation are all paid for.

[Crazy Dazz]

No, No, like Hulk says it's all terrible here in WA.
There is nothing to do, unless you happen to like boating, sailing, fishing, off-roading, camping, motorbikes, cars, racing, BBQs, football, basketball, rugby, or cheap holidays to Asia.
FFS stay away.

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

No, No, like Hulk says it's all terrible here in WA.
There is nothing to do, unless you happen to like boating, sailing, fishing, off-roading, camping, motorbikes, cars, racing, BBQs, football, basketball, rugby, or cheap holidays to Asia.
FFS stay away.

LOL nice one! How could you ever be bored making good money like this and having lots of hobbies to spend ur money on.

[GASWAGON]

I just had a look on seek.com.au for diesel mechanic jobs in northern W.A and ther is bugger all advertised.....

Whats the best way to find/get jobs in the mines is it all done online???

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by EF_6

I just had a look on seek.com.au for diesel mechanic jobs in northern W.A and ther is bugger all advertised.....

Whats the best way to find/get jobs in the mines is it all done online???

You are doing it right now.

There is bugger all in W.A mining, all gone, shut up shop, too late.

Oil and gas is the way forward.............................


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[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

You are doing it right now.

There is bugger all in W.A mining, all gone, shut up shop, too late.

Oil and gas is the way forward.............................


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I'm an electrician and I have just applied for the Curtis island LNG project in Gladstone QLD. Really hoping to get a start as I have a couple of mates that are working there and they are earning bucket loads.

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by FlipXW

I'm an electrician and I have just applied for the Curtis island LNG project in Gladstone QLD. Really hoping to get a start as I have a couple of mates that are working there and they are earning bucket loads.

Mate, I wish you all the best.
If you want to send me your resume I'll see if I can take you on my next new posting in W.A if you have the electrical qualities I need for a new undeveloped open cut mine. (No guarantee) (No paid FIFO from E.S, local only)


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[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

Mate, I wish you all the best.
If you want to send me your resume I'll see if I can take you on my next new posting in W.A if you have the electrical qualities I need for a new undeveloped open cut mine. (No guarantee) (No paid FIFO from E.S, local only)


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Thanks mate, yeah that would be awesome. Im in my 6th year in the industry, 4 as an apprentice and into my second as a tradesman. I work commercial/industrial projects and have my nsw supervisors electrical licence. What qualifications would I need for WA and that specific role?

[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by FlipXW

I'm an electrician and I have just applied for the Curtis island LNG project in Gladstone QLD. Really hoping to get a start as I have a couple of mates that are working there and they are earning bucket loads.

Well I had a medical for this position today and all went sweet so hopefully ill be up here within the next few weeks

[GASWAGON]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

You are doing it right now.

There is bugger all in W.A mining, all gone, shut up shop, too late.

Oil and gas is the way forward.............................


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O.k so how would a diesel mechanic make his way into oil and gas???

[05_ENFORCER]

Originally Posted by EF_6

O.k so how would a diesel mechanic make his way into oil and gas???

Motorman on an expo rig............or start at the bottom as a roughneck......


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[Paull]

Originally Posted by EF_6

O.k so how would a diesel mechanic make his way into oil and gas???

You have a number of options (for WA)

1) Apply online. You can either look at brownfields or green fields employment.

Brownfields would be Woodside, Apache, Santos & MODEC. Woodside typically use contracting companies such as Transfield to supply trades (fitters, electricians, welders, riggers, scaffolders etc). There is also UGL.

http://www.transfieldservices.com/
http://www.ugllimited.com/people-career

When it comes to the oil companies, direct employment for a person outside the industry, can be a bit difficult. However, it does not hurt to try. They do in some cases employ trades directly

http://www.santos.com/careers/
http://www.woodside.com.au/careers/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.apachecorp.com/Operations...lia/index.aspx
http://www.modec.com/career/
http://www.bhpbilliton.com/home/peop...s/default.aspx

In regards to the greenfields projects/companies, there are 3 main companies currently in the construction phase. These are Inpex, Chevron and Shell. As these companies are still building, they will continue to be employing over the next 12 to 24 months. In that, keep an eye out on their webpages.

http://www.inpex.com.au/projects/ichthys-project.aspx
http://careers.chevron.com/global_op...ons/australia/
http://www.shell.com.au/aboutshell/c...n-prelude.html

Note that these companies typically advertise on Seek as well.

The Inpex project will have two offshore assets (north west WA) and one land based asset in Darwin. Shell will be strictly offshore. Chevron will have 2 land based assets (Gorgon on Barrow Island and Wheatstone down stream plant in Ashburton (Onslow) and one offshore asset. Inpex are the big payers when it comes to the above.

One thing to know about the greenfield projects is that in some cases, there is a lot of external hiring. That is, the companies look for people who have never been in the industry. The reason behind this is that just because you have 20 years experience offshore, does not necessarily make you a good employee. Also, the typical onshore worker can be enticed by what they see as a good salary whereas an existing offshore worker would not accept some of the salaries being offered.

2) Look at getting a traineeship.

CCI are typically the first point of call for most of the brownfields companies in employing apprentices & trainees. As you are already a tradesman, your best bet would be to look at getting a Production Technician traineeship. These typically last for 2 years: not normally the best salaries (in comparison to the usual oil & gas salaries) but still ok.

http://www.cciwa.com/what-we-offer/a...ainee-services

When it comes to direct employment, being a Production Technician is perhaps the better way to go. In effect, there is no formal qualification, just on the job knowledge/experience. In the last 10 years though, companies have pushed for a minimum of Cert II but if you are keen, you can always do the Cert IV on your own prior to applying.

https://training.gov.au/Training/Details/PMA08

This course is offered Australia wide and accepted at all companies. You would also do this training course as part of the aforementioned traineeship.

There are other options but I think they will take too long to explain and the above are fairly straightforward ways of getting in.

3 points to take note of.

1) Attitude over aptitude everyday of the week. You may be the best and brightest but if you have a poor attitude to safety/work ethic, you will not get a look in. You can train for aptitude but not attitude.
2) If you manage to get an interview, research as much as you can about the particular company/project/field. The companies really love this stuff as it shows that you are keen. It will actually make a difference wen it comes to comparing candidates.
3) The most important by far - SAFETY, SAFETY SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!! In everything you do, safety is always at the forefront. Always keep that in mind.

Also know that with all of these companies/jobs, you can live anywhere in Australia. The usual roster is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on and then 4 weeks off. Woodside are moving to 3W on, 3Woff, 3W on and 6 weeks off.

And lastly, best of luck.

[Luke G]

Originally Posted by Paull

You have a number of options (for WA)

1) Apply online. You can either look at brownfields or green fields employment.

Brownfields would be Woodside, Apache, Santos & MODEC. Woodside typically use contracting companies such as Transfield to supply trades (fitters, electricians, welders, riggers, scaffolders etc). There is also UGL.

http://www.transfieldservices.com/
http://www.ugllimited.com/people-career

When it comes to the oil companies, direct employment for a person outside the industry, can be a bit difficult. However, it does not hurt to try. They do in some cases employ trades directly

http://www.santos.com/careers/
http://www.woodside.com.au/careers/Pages/default.aspx
http://www.apachecorp.com/Operations...lia/index.aspx
http://www.modec.com/career/
http://www.bhpbilliton.com/home/peop...s/default.aspx

In regards to the greenfields projects/companies, there are 3 main companies currently in the construction phase. These are Inpex, Chevron and Shell. As these companies are still building, they will continue to be employing over the next 12 to 24 months. In that, keep an eye out on their webpages.

http://www.inpex.com.au/projects/ichthys-project.aspx
http://careers.chevron.com/global_op...ons/australia/
http://www.shell.com.au/aboutshell/c...n-prelude.html

Note that these companies typically advertise on Seek as well.

The Inpex project will have two offshore assets (north west WA) and one land based asset in Darwin. Shell will be strictly offshore. Chevron will have 2 land based assets (Gorgon on Barrow Island and Wheatstone down stream plant in Ashburton (Onslow) and one offshore asset. Inpex are the big payers when it comes to the above.

One thing to know about the greenfield projects is that in some cases, there is a lot of external hiring. That is, the companies look for people who have never been in the industry. The reason behind this is that just because you have 20 years experience offshore, does not necessarily make you a good employee. Also, the typical onshore worker can be enticed by what they see as a good salary whereas an existing offshore worker would not accept some of the salaries being offered.

2) Look at getting a traineeship.

CCI are typically the first point of call for most of the brownfields companies in employing apprentices & trainees. As you are already a tradesman, your best bet would be to look at getting a Production Technician traineeship. These typically last for 2 years: not normally the best salaries (in comparison to the usual oil & gas salaries) but still ok.

http://www.cciwa.com/what-we-offer/a...ainee-services

When it comes to direct employment, being a Production Technician is perhaps the better way to go. In effect, there is no formal qualification, just on the job knowledge/experience. In the last 10 years though, companies have pushed for a minimum of Cert II but if you are keen, you can always do the Cert IV on your own prior to applying.

https://training.gov.au/Training/Details/PMA08

This course is offered Australia wide and accepted at all companies. You would also do this training course as part of the aforementioned traineeship.

There are other options but I think they will take too long to explain and the above are fairly straightforward ways of getting in.

3 points to take note of.

1) Attitude over aptitude everyday of the week. You may be the best and brightest but if you have a poor attitude to safety/work ethic, you will not get a look in. You can train for aptitude but not attitude.
2) If you manage to get an interview, research as much as you can about the particular company/project/field. The companies really love this stuff as it shows that you are keen. It will actually make a difference wen it comes to comparing candidates.
3) The most important by far - SAFETY, SAFETY SAFETY!!!!!!!!!!!! In everything you do, safety is always at the forefront. Always keep that in mind.

Also know that with all of these companies/jobs, you can live anywhere in Australia. The usual roster is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 2 weeks on and then 4 weeks off. Woodside are moving to 3W on, 3Woff, 3W on and 6 weeks off.

And lastly, best of luck.

Lots of good info in this post,

Monodelphis is the contractor you want to be looking at rather then TW.

You will need your Cert 4 instrumentation and your Hazardous area to get a look in at a gas plant for an electrician.

The rosters you mentioned at the end are close, but some of the companys have a different set up. Construction is different then an operational roster too.

Cheers

[chriso89]

Mine work is hard to come by these days.

Oil and gas pay just as well though with Australia having many Gas pipeline projects in the construction phases at the moment.

I.e Gorgon, Wheatstone, whatever the NT Inpex job is called, Roy hill etc etc.

your best chance of FIFO work in my opinion at the moment is in the gas industry.

Chris.