V8 ranger raptor

Blueford260 · 02-01-2020, 04:11 PM

Got Wheels magazine today and they are reporting that Ford Australia are having built Ranger Raptors with the 5L V8 Coyote out of the Mustang and will be available through your Ford dealer towards the end of this year with full factory warranty.
Will be interesting to see how they go if it's true

Ben73 · 02-01-2020, 04:14 PM

Nah. Not even the F150 Raptor has a V8. I doubt a Ranger will get one.

I'd be happily proven wrong though

roKWiz · 02-01-2020, 04:28 PM

Wishful thinking.

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 05:04 PM

If true the Raptors will be post factory converted to 5.0 V8 once they arrive in Australia. Is this another Herrod project or Prodrive?

Brazen · 02-01-2020, 05:19 PM

It’s looking likely I heard. Will be assembled in Vic with a base Raptor having the engine swap. Sold through Ford

Will be a bloody great ute. They could charge 90k and it will be a hit. Ironically the V8 is cheaper to manufacture than the Ecoblue diesel

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

It’s looking likely I heard. Will be assembled in Vic with a base Raptor having the engine swap. Sold through Ford

Will be a bloody great ute. They could charge 90k and it will be a hit. Ironically the V8 is cheaper to manufacture than the Ecoblue diesel

If it’s anything like the Colorado V8 conversion, the price will be more like $40K extra.

If true, perhaps a few will have a change of tune regarding Thai built Utes....

But then again it probably fails to the critics because it only can tow 2.5 tons

BENT_8 · 02-01-2020, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

If true, perhaps a few will have a change of tune regarding Thai built Utes....

But then again it probably fails to the critics because it only can tow 2.5 tons

No, my initial reaction was to feel for the poor bastards that bought a 2.0l diesel as a performance vehicle and who'll now be stuck with something no one it their right mind would touch.
All that extra weight over the front end should make for some interesting sand dune landings though.

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 07:11 PM

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No, my initial reaction was to feel for the poor bastards that bought a 2.0l diesel as a performance vehicle and who'll now be stuck with something no one it their right mind would touch.

From what i gather, most of the Raptors are leased for tax purposes as in, not keepers.

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All that extra weight over the front end should make for some interesting sand dune landings though.

They tell me the back end jounce is a bigger problem, the trucks have a tendency
to donkey kick high in the air and that's why the springs were softened on the back
reducing tow capacity. Saw that happen in a V6 Hilux one day, very scary...

Bossxr8 · 02-01-2020, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

From what i gather, most of the Raptors are leased for tax purposes as in, not keepers.

They tell me the back end jounce is a bigger problem, the trucks have a tendency
to donkey kick high in the air and that's why the springs were softened on the back
reducing tow capacity. Saw that happen in a V6 Hilux one day, very scary...

Good old captain sour grapes. Spewing ford is kicking on while holden sinks into oblivion.

Raptor exceeded sales projections. And this v8 version will have to top 100k. It’s probably not going to be cross shopped with the ecoblue version cause there will be a big price gap between them.

XR Martin · 03-01-2020, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

No, my initial reaction was to feel for the poor bastards that bought a 2.0l diesel as a performance vehicle and who'll now be stuck with something no one it their right mind would touch.
All that extra weight over the front end should make for some interesting sand dune landings though.

Diesels aren't light, even small ones.
Wouldn't surprise me if the v8 is lighter.

naddis01 · 03-01-2020, 12:20 AM

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Diesels aren't light, even small ones.
Wouldn't surprise me if the v8 is lighter.

The V8 is any where from 20-40% heavier looking at crate motors.

Dr Smith · 02-01-2020, 05:29 PM

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/202...tang-v8-engine

Craig@AUDI · 02-01-2020, 05:34 PM

That'd make a nice demo!

Brazen · 02-01-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

If it’s anything like the Colorado V8 conversion, the price will be more like $40K extra.

I’m afraid you could right. As these are new unregistered vehicles I believe the diesel power plants could be repurposed as warranty replacements or even shipped back to Thailand to be reused on the next donor ute to be shipped - that way you could use the same Diesel engine over and over

Does the 10 speed with Ecoblue for the Cyote?

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

I’m afraid you could right. As these are new unregistered vehicles I believe the diesel power plants could be repurposed as warranty replacements or even shipped back to Thailand to be reused on the next donor ute to be shipped - that way you could use the same Diesel engine over and over

Does the 10 speed with Ecoblue for the Cyote?

Engine and gearbox would probably need to be replaced,
didn’t HSV receive some vehicles with temp engines that
were returned to Holden?

Brazen · 02-01-2020, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Engine and gearbox would probably need to be replaced,
didn’t HSV receive some vehicles with temp engines that
were returned to Holden?

I think it was the GTSR W1

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 05:59 PM

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I think it was the GTSR W1

Right, perhaps this is a similar sort of deal..

All supposition at the moment, Ford would have to make a major announcement.

Somewhere in Melbourne, the T6 Program Director just spat coffee all over his computer..

stevanford · 02-01-2020, 06:11 PM

If it's going to be done, I'd have my money on Herrod doing the conversion. They were talking about doing more projects with Ford when the R-SPEC was unveiled.

Whistlr · 02-01-2020, 07:45 PM

I wonder how many Ranger 4x4 buyers buy them for their off road capabilities, versus how many that buy them because they look so good.

Same applies to the Raptor. People are superficial. I can't say I blame them, either.

Now, imagine how these superficial buyers will love having a V8 for added cred. This is not unlike having a C63... purely egotistical. I can see it becoming very popular.

Perhaps with Dodge and Chev trucks now being available, I think Ford have opted for a cheaper-than-converted-to-rhd F150 option, which I think is a pretty smart choice, considering the Ranger's and Raptor's popularity.

jpd80 · 02-01-2020, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Whistlr

I wonder how many Ranger 4x4 buyers buy them for their off road capabilities, versus how many that buy them because they look so good.

Same applies to the Raptor. People are superficial. I can't say I blame them, either.

Now, imagine how these superficial buyers will love having a V8 for added cred. This is not unlike having a C63... purely egotistical. I can see it becoming very popular.

Perhaps with Dodge and Chev trucks now being available, I think Ford have opted for a cheaper-than-converted-to-rhd F150 option, which I think is a pretty smart choice, considering the Ranger's and Raptor's popularity.

A V8 Ranger Raptor would seem to be answering performance buyers requests,
does that necessarily impinge on full sized truck sales or can the two exist side by side..

Whistlr · 02-01-2020, 09:31 PM

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A V8 Ranger Raptor would seem to be answering performance buyers requests

The V8 void simply hasn’t been filled. Whilst this may cost a little more than what a Maloo would have retailed for we need to ask ourselves what other V8 options are out there? The Ram is good value but more often than not too big is just too big, and wouldn’t be anywhere near as dynamic as the Raptor.

**GasoLane** · 02-01-2020, 09:41 PM

Oooh what a surprise, it's an advertorial

"For the full story on Ford’s secret Raptor hero, make sure to pick up the January 2020 issue of Wheels, which goes on sale today!"

naddis01 · 02-01-2020, 08:27 PM

Isn't the next generation Ranger meant to come out next year? If so, why would they bother considering we were supposedly meant to be getting the turbo V6 in the next gen?

Retail on the current 2.0 Raptor is $85000 on the road. What would that make a V8 conversion?

MDS69 · 02-01-2020, 09:52 PM

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Retail on the current 2.0 Raptor is $85000 on the road. What would that make a V8 conversion?

It won’t be logical but you would want to hope (for simple maths) that they credit the motor they remove, say $10k, then add in a crate motor, say $18k, plus engineering, wiring etc etc ,say another $8k, but in real life take RRP and add $40k.

**pwr4ce** · 02-01-2020, 08:43 PM

I think it’s a great thing !

Hopefully it extends to the Everest !

Whistlr · 02-01-2020, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

A V8 Ranger Raptor would seem to be answering performance buyers requests,
does that necessarily impinge on full sized truck sales or can the two exist side by side..

I don’t think it will impinge but it may save Ford some face for not having the larger truck because right now as desirable a full sized truck may be I think a V8 Raptor could indeed change the game. Enough sales may translate to the V8 becoming penciled in for next gen?

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I think it’s a great thing !

Hopefully it extends to the Everest !

Great thought. With this 2nd tier manufacturer set up it seems manufacturing here just became a little more versatile.

Everest V8 would be epic considering Ford US won’t be bringing the Bronco here. It would look like Ford Au giving them the middle finger by slotting a V8 in the Everest.

last Outlaw · 03-01-2020, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=Whistlr;6384017]I don’t think it will impinge but it may save Ford some face for not having the larger truck because right now as desirable a full sized truck may be I think a V8 Raptor could indeed change the game. Enough sales may translate to the V8 becoming penciled in for next gen?

Great thought. With this 2nd tier manufacturer set up it seems manufacturing here just became a little more versatile.

Everest V8 would be epic considering Ford US won’t be bringing the Bronco here. It would look like Ford Au giving them the middle finger by slotting a V8 in the Everest.

I would think the 2020 Bronco would be sold in Australia too , considering Australia has had a lot of input in it . After all the new Bronco is based on the Ranger platform and maybe this might even have something to do with this surprise coyote V8 raptor . The Bronco is being brought back to challenge the market that the Jeep Wrangler has tied down so a V8 Bronco would be epic. I am a bit one eyed though and cannot wait to see this new Bronco . As for the V8 Ranger ....... Awesome

jpd80 · 03-01-2020, 12:38 PM

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I would think the 2020 Bronco would be sold in Australia too , considering Australia has had a lot of input in it . After all the new Bronco is based on the Ranger platform and maybe this might even have something to do with this surprise coyote V8 raptor . The Bronco is being brought back to challenge the market that the Jeep Wrangler has tied down so a V8 Bronco would be epic. I am a bit one eyed though and cannot wait to see this new Bronco . As for the V8 Ranger ....... Awesome

The Bronco begin production in the US in just under twelve months,
there is no RHD version so the only way it comes to Australia is as
LHD import that gets converted here with adapted Ranger bits.

Whistlr · 03-01-2020, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by last Outlaw

I would think the 2020 Bronco would be sold in Australia too , considering Australia has had a lot of input in it . After all the new Bronco is based on the Ranger platform and maybe this might even have something to do with this surprise coyote V8 raptor . The Bronco is being brought back to challenge the market that the Jeep Wrangler has tied down so a V8 Bronco would be epic. I am a bit one eyed though and cannot wait to see this new Bronco . As for the V8 Ranger ....... Awesome

Honestly, Ford shlt me sometimes. They have this complex where they don't realise people exist outside of America. The Bronco should be going global but we'll only get the baby Adventurer thing that's based off the Escape.

vztrt · 03-01-2020, 07:43 PM

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Honestly, Ford shlt me sometimes. They have this complex where they don't realise people exist outside of America. The Bronco should be going global but we'll only get the baby Adventurer thing that's based off the Escape.

This would be a Ford US decision. A big reason you don't want them taking over Ranger.