ford vs magna drag...

16-08-2005, 11:56 PM

Hi dudes

In 2 weeks I will be partaking in a drag race with a mate who has just bought a 97 magna sports 3.0 V6. I have a 97 EL falcon, 4L, with no mods. He seems fairly sure that he will win hands down (0-100km/h), but I just don't see the EL losing to a ****y magna. Is he right and if so, what is the best way (under 200 bucks) I can improve the performance of my beast?

According to redbook, magna 0-100 is 11 seconds, ford is 9.2 seconds
http://www.redbook.com.au/vehiclesea...X&key=FORD97BC
Does anyone know where these figures come from and their accuracy?

I'll publish the results after the showdown

rodderz · 16-08-2005, 11:57 PM

Hopefully on a track no doubt?

Mate, you should whip an older magna in reverse!

17-08-2005, 12:01 AM

It'll be on a racetrack, all legal of course.

Grechie · 17-08-2005, 12:18 AM

ull buff him man dw bout it, but for 200 buks or so(260ish), get a 2.5 inch cat back to be sure, it will also sound awsome wen hes behind u ;) it also ups the air fuel mixture on the ecu up a bit if im not mistaken ? which means a lil more air/fuel which means ull chomp this guy no sweat....

also make sure its on a race track

XA-Coupe · 17-08-2005, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Grechie

ull buff him man dw bout it, but for 200 buks or so(260ish), get a 2.5 inch cat back to be sure, it will also sound awsome wen hes behind u ;) it also ups the air fuel mixture on the ecu up a bit if im not mistaken ? which means a lil more air/fuel which means ull chomp this guy no sweat....

also make sure its on a race track

Can someone translate that into english for me ?? :ticking:

Don't discount the magnas. Make sure you pay attention to your launch or you might get a wee bit of a surprise.

As for an auto 1.8 laser beating anything except itself ... I highly doubt it.

XRated · 17-08-2005, 12:43 AM

I'd get a WADE cam exhanged for $120 odd. Might be held back by the exhaust, but still.. I'd just be weary about losing a bit of take off.

chevypower · 17-08-2005, 01:49 AM

Mate, my 94 Laser 1.8 automatic beats Falcons and Commodores, even beat a VZ V6 Executive (only just) just saying it doesnt take much to beat them, and yes, i only "try" when i know the other person is gonna try to drag me off, so please dont suggest (but they dont try) having owned and driven EAs, EB2, EF, AU, Statesman VS V8, VS Grange, WK Caprice, driven the Magna 3.5, BA 4 litre, 5.4 220, XR8 and GT and i tell ya, it keeps up with 6s and beats some - but ya tell people and they dont believe ya until they have been in ya car. If you want something fast, definately get a V8 minimum

MITCHAY · 17-08-2005, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

Mate, my 94 Laser 1.8 automatic beats Falcons and Commodores, even beat a VZ V6 Executive (only just) just saying it doesnt take much to beat them, and yes, i only "try" when i know the other person is gonna try to drag me off, so please dont suggest (but they dont try) having owned and driven EAs, EB2, EF, AU, Statesman VS V8, VS Grange, WK Caprice, driven the Magna 3.5, BA 4 litre, 5.4 220, XR8 and GT and i tell ya, it keeps up with 6s and beats some - but ya tell people and they dont believe ya until they have been in ya car. If you want something fast, definately get a V8 minimum

Surely there is no way other than with a huge turbo strapped on.

chevypower · 17-08-2005, 02:43 AM

nopes its stock, mind you i did look at the specs on them, 96kw - back then that was awesome for a 1.8, thats what the CURRENT model 2.0 litre Focus has, but in all seriousness, while i dont doubt that these other cars would be nicer to have than mine, i would be really disappointed paying all that money expecting more go than a 94 Laser 1.8 and being kept up with from 0-100 The Commdore was trying to also drag an older Skyline in the other lane, the Skyline won - having said that, i dont think any of these are "fast" cars, the skyline might have been faster, but it seems like what people think is fast these days, really isnt... A long time ago we had a 2 liter JE Camira automatic, another car which had great acceleration compared to 6s (esp at that time) 0-100 in under 10 seconds - i understand if people read this and dont believe me, think i am exagerating or whatever, cos most people talk up the things they own, and i probably wouldnt believe it either, but i feel bad for the others who spend a lot of money on what they think is fast and dont beat me or marginally beat me..... fast is where you get to 100 when other cars are at 60

MNM96 · 17-08-2005, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

nopes its stock, mind you i did look at the specs on them, 96kw - back then that was awesome for a 1.8, thats what the CURRENT model 2.0 litre Focus has, but in all seriousness, while i dont doubt that these other cars would be nicer to have than mine, i would be really disappointed paying all that money expecting more go than a 94 Laser 1.8 and being kept up with from 0-100 The Commdore was trying to also drag an older Skyline in the other lane, the Skyline won - having said that, i dont think any of these are "fast" cars, the skyline might have been faster, but it seems like what people think is fast these days, really isnt... A long time ago we had a 2 liter JE Camira automatic, another car which had great acceleration compared to 6s (esp at that time) 0-100 in under 10 seconds - i understand if people read this and dont believe me, think i am exagerating or whatever, cos most people talk up the things they own, and i probably wouldnt believe it either, but i feel bad for the others who spend a lot of money on what they think is fast and dont beat me or marginally beat me..... fast is where you get to 100 when other cars are at 60

Chevypower. Welcome to the Forums. Please keep your posting on here within the realms of reality, and you will be welcomed by more members. I sincerely believe you that your fantastic 1.8 automatic Laser (1994) Woops Falcons and Magnas!

: The only way would be if they were towing you and slowed down heavily just before the end of the quarter and let you fly by. Posts like your above post will serve no purpose but to see you riddaculed by the masses, and end with you taking a spell in cool off mode, or worse yet, you will meet LaMinge!!

: And that seems to be a trap for all the young ones!!! :voldar02:

Any way, lift your game a little and enjoy your stay at FFA.

Steffo · 17-08-2005, 07:12 AM

If he had a Magna Sport VR-X 3.5 V6, you would lose. But the EL should give the 3.0 a sound beating.

**Mechan1k** · 18-08-2005, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

If he had a Magna Sport VR-X 3.5 V6, you would lose. But the EL should give the 3.0 a sound beating.

Agreed there ... my Mum owns a 3.5L VRX manual ... damn that thing hauls ... polishes off VS SS Bombadores with ease ... and copious amounts of unwanted wheelspin into 4th gear ... hee hee ... on grippy G-Grid IIs.

The 3.0L V6s were that much of a slouch though ... depends on the tune of the vehicle .... in the models when the V6s first came out ... they were a crappy. But the TE models (I think ... about 97) were much better with the 3.0L in them.

I'd say it'd be a close one though.
One of my work colleagues has a 97 Altera 3.0L V6 auto .... it goes pretty damn swiftly ... but still no 3.5L though.

I think the 3.0L V6 put out approx 145kW ... whereas the VRX 3.5L put out 163kW (then the Ralliart put out 180kW from a SOHC motor as well)

Storm · 17-08-2005, 07:22 AM

yeah i agree, if he had a 3.5 litre Sports he would beat you, but since he's only got a 3.0 it's if'y

nat_daly · 17-08-2005, 08:12 AM

well what type of kw does a magna have?..
and about the ford laser beating a 4.0 litre. :hihi: . im sorry u cant just beat cubes with a sstock laser
u should be pretty easily be able to beat him what u gotta worry about if he's done any secret mods to it..;)

XD-Machine · 21-08-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nat_daly

well what type of kw does a magna have?..
and about the ford laser beating a 4.0 litre. :hihi: . im sorry u cant just beat cubes with a sstock laser
u should be pretty easily be able to beat him what u gotta worry about if he's done any secret mods to it..;)

what he might call a drag could be the ford accerating a bit quicker then usaual. i do this with my falcon to see the ****y 4 cylinders try there cuts out to show me up lol. seriously that guy needs to wake up and realise that his laser would be raped hard

chevypower · 21-08-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by XD-Machine

what he might call a drag could be the ford accerating a bit quicker then usaual. i do this with my falcon to see the ****y 4 cylinders try there cuts out to show me up lol. seriously that guy needs to wake up and realise that his laser would be raped hard

What a co-incidence that all the EFs and AUs I drive near, and drive myself are all slower than usual then LOL yes i should wake up and talk myself in to believing that what happens in reality, doesnt really happen. You need to get out there and drive a few more cars than an XD. I drive dads WK Caprice 5.7 all the time(probably as much as he does), yes that would beat my Laser easily, i wont even bother comparing the two... but an EF 4 litre stock 6, yes it has more torque than a 1.8 Laser, but doesnt like to rev hard (auto vs auto) they are about the same to 100 with the Laser revving a lot harder of course. This seems to be harsh news for some people on here, I just cant believe there is no-one else who has tried this on here. Anyone else got a stock Falcon 6 (prior to a BA) and had trouble out-accelerating a 4 cyl (non turbo)? Let's be honest here, it must happen.

The MaDDeSTMaN · 21-08-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

What a co-incidence that all the EFs and AUs I drive near, and drive myself are all slower than usual then LOL yes i should wake up and talk myself in to believing that what happens in reality, doesnt really happen. You need to get out there and drive a few more cars than an XD. I drive dads WK Caprice 5.7 all the time(probably as much as he does), yes that would beat my Laser easily, i wont even bother comparing the two... but an EF 4 litre stock 6, yes it has more torque than a 1.8 Laser, but doesnt like to rev hard (auto vs auto) they are about the same to 100 with the Laser revving a lot harder of course. This seems to be harsh news for some people on here, I just cant believe there is no-one else who has tried this on here. Anyone else got a stock Falcon 6 (prior to a BA) and had trouble out-accelerating a 4 cyl (non turbo)? Let's be honest here, it must happen.

I know a stock Mk II Escort 2 litre manual gets up to 100km/h quicker then a stock auto XF or a stock auto EB, without any problem.

Anybody that thinks a stock auto pre-BA Falcon is faster to 100km/h then a stock 2L manual Escort is dreaming (~900kg, 3.5:1 or 3.7:1 diff and close enough to 100hp @ the flywheel), but of course, past 100km/h it's a different story, so of course by the end of the 1/4 mile the Escort would be passed, but it wouldn't happen until it's hit 5000rpm in third gear...

It's funny how many people refuse to believe an Escort can hit 100km/h faster then a stock auto falcon, but won't line up their stock auto Falcon against an Escort - maybe they're worried that they'll be proven wrong... :hihi:

ScoopED · 21-08-2005, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

What a co-incidence that all the EFs and AUs I drive near, and drive myself are all slower than usual then LOL yes i should wake up and talk myself in to believing that what happens in reality, doesnt really happen. You need to get out there and drive a few more cars than an XD. I drive dads WK Caprice 5.7 all the time(probably as much as he does), yes that would beat my Laser easily, i wont even bother comparing the two... but an EF 4 litre stock 6, yes it has more torque than a 1.8 Laser, but doesnt like to rev hard (auto vs auto) they are about the same to 100 with the Laser revving a lot harder of course. This seems to be harsh news for some people on here, I just cant believe there is no-one else who has tried this on here. Anyone else got a stock Falcon 6 (prior to a BA) and had trouble out-accelerating a 4 cyl (non turbo)? Let's be honest here, it must happen.

I was honest............ I have thrashed many a 4cyl in a race, and none of this dodgy will they, wont they type 'drag racing'. Yes, a lot of them will keep up till around 40kph, but after that the falc's hit their power/torque band and off they go.

I mean, really no one would contest that most 4cyls get off the line better than a falcon. You must remember that a stockl EA, EB, ED etc, etc... Can hit up to 75kph in first (auto) You have to expect a little bit of a bog down low.

But there is not anyone in here that canvince me that a laser will beat a 6cyl falcon (wellmaybe to 40kph) but never after that.

As i said, I have raced against many a 4cyl driver and there is no real contest there.

I'm sorry but you dont have an argument mate, a fact is a fact. Go ahead and organise a race with someone, then you will know if they are trying. And dont go looking for the most sh##boxy 3spd CFI EA out there to race either, I could propel myself faster with one of my own farts than one of those.

Mike

BLKWOLF · 25-08-2005, 07:22 PM

sorry to drag this up again, but have you's dragged yet???

i know a bit about magna's cause i own one at the moment,it all depends if its manual or auto. i know a couple of ppl who ran 15.5@90mph in stock manual's. auto's are usually half a second slower.....so about a 16.0 for them

The MaDDeSTMaN · 21-08-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by XD-Machine

what he might call a drag could be the ford accerating a bit quicker then usaual. i do this with my falcon to see the ****y 4 cylinders try there cuts out to show me up lol. seriously that guy needs to wake up and realise that his laser would be raped hard

Sorry mate, but my Escort that I have for sale which is stock asides from a short shift kit and 3.7:1 diff would have no problems outrunning any stock 6 cylinder XD to 100km/h. There is more to a quick 0-100km/h time then just having a big displacement engine.

buickman · 21-08-2005, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The MaDDeSTMaN

Sorry mate, but my Escort that I have for sale which is stock asides from a short shift kit and 3.7:1 diff would have no problems outrunning any stock 6 cylinder XD to 100km/h. There is more to a quick 0-100km/h time then just having a big displacement engine.

Having owned a 2ltr Escort with twin webers, head & cam mods with a overbore & manual with the 1.3-1.6ltr 3.77 diff went hard to the 0-120 mark The Escorts need a 5 speed gear box as they rev to high on h/way driving
But the ohc mtrs of the EF on in stock form would near match them.Plus are nicer cars to drive.
The X/Flows in stock form would have trouble outperforming a 2ltr manual Escort.
I like Escorts but would not have one again, reason to rough & noisy. Just look at them at small Ford day nowdays, and admire the effort some with a passion for them do to them in resto & mods.

buickman

XRated · 17-08-2005, 08:51 AM

Bit off topic, but my mate's 2001 stock Corolla manual beats my ED happily from a standing start. It all comes down to the auto slush box and crummy 3.08 diff.

Citric GT · 17-08-2005, 09:02 AM

3 litre magna is 140KW & 255NM and 1470KG with good gearing
4 litre Falcon is 157KW & 357NM and 1520KG with bad gearing

The 3 litre magna sports will be a bit slower but not a lot. It will do 0-100 in around 9.6-9.8 NOT 11. About 2 years ago my brother had an EL Gli and had a few little drags with my dad in his 98 3.0 sports. The Falson was better off the line, but about the same at high speed ie: 80-120 etc. If your mate had a TJ Sports with the 3.5 and 5 speed auto it would be bye bye Falcon. I had one - thats how I know.

Cheers
Matt

Dave_au · 17-08-2005, 09:40 AM

3.5L Sports/VRX is 163kw/317NM, runs flat a 7 0-100 in manual guise, about 7.7-8 in 5 speed auto.

ProjectXR · 17-08-2005, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave_au

3.5L Sports/VRX is 163kw/317NM, runs flat a 7 0-100 in manual guise, about 7.7-8 in 5 speed auto.

Driven a manual VRX and i'd say it does that quite eaisily!

Dmax · 17-08-2005, 11:07 AM

I had an EA with a nicely rebuilt motor that would eat any stock E series Falcon but would get slaughtered by my wifes stock 2001 3.6 Magna and was on par (depending on the weather) with my brothers 96 3.0 Magna. Very underated are the Magnas, get one with a bit of work done to it and look out.

stiddy · 17-08-2005, 12:13 PM

Even my friends TX3 4WD turbo Laser, gives me a run till almost 100km/h but after that its game over *as he watches me disappear into the distance* :P

Dave_au · 17-08-2005, 12:29 PM

Enough about Lasers, more about Magnas :P

stiddy · 17-08-2005, 12:36 PM

EL will come out on top.. i really dont think the 3.0L magnas are anything special i have a mate that owns one.. and i also have a mate with a stock eb (auto) that cleans him up everytime, even without stalling it up off the line..

Dmax · 17-08-2005, 01:15 PM

My Brother has a 96 3.0 Magna stock with 200,000kms on the clock. I drive it regularly and it throws me back in the seat. They are lighter and more responsive than the E series Fords and are definately a threat to them if sitting next to one at a set of lights. I'm sure that over a long stretch the falcons would come into their own but I'm not 100% confident wether this would happen over a quarter mile.