She killed and got off

[buggerlugs]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226762872036
I wonder would the sentence had been different if she had of killed an Australian ? And months later she is caught again FFS...........

[Maka]

Well she has to live with it, when she's older the realisation will kick in but it wont bring old mate back. If you've got enough money & the best lawyer around anything is possible... Old mates family will be shattered & i dont blame them.


cheers, Maka

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Maka

Well she has to live with it

Like that is some sort of punishment?

1. having to live with the knowledge of the outcome of your actions is NOT a punishment, its a consequence. punishment is something that is handed out by the courts.

2. what she has to live with pales in comparison to what the victim's family will have to live with

3. she gets to live... her victim? taking a life is the single worst thing you can do to another person. its as final as it gets.

[neptune blue]

Not in the communities interest to send her to jail
What about in the interest of justice and the relatives of the victim
This kid can't help her self
What's the bet she still drives without a licence and if by some miracle she is caught i bet she gets yet another suspended sentence
This would have been the perfect opportunity to send a message to divers that use their phone illegally
You kill someone you go to jail

[5tumpy]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

Not in the communities interest to send her to jail
What about in the interest of justice and the relatives of the victim

What purpose would sending an 18 year old kid to jail serve in this case? It is a tragedy, however, being a stupid kid and making a tragic mistake should not automatically equal a custodial sentence.

We have all done exactly what this girl did, and most of us will probably continue to do so. Does it make it any less of a tragedy that someone lost their life? No, however, sending the kid to jail for 3 years won't change that fact. Now that she has a history of offense, and a suspended sentence, if she is stupid enough to make the same mistake again, she will face a custodial sentence.

Unless she is a sociopath, she will have to live with the fact her negligence caused the death of another, she'll have to live with the images of the victims broken and bloody bodies laying there after she hit them. I've seen similar circumstances first hand, and those images never leave you, let alone when you have the attached guilt of knowing that you did it. That is punishment enough for most. If it's not for her, she'll end up in jail.

Our penal system is about rehabilitation and deterrent, not arbitrary revenge for revenge's sake.

[wrongwaynorris]

[QUOTE=5tumpy;4940493]What purpose would sending an 18 year old kid to jail serve in this case? It is a tragedy, however, being a stupid kid and making a tragic mistake should not automatically equal a custodial sentence.

" We have all done exactly what this girl did "
NOT all of us , some of us actually have some grey matter between our ears and consideration for our fellow human beings .

" and most of us will probably continue to do so. "
Speak for yourself . And if so should subsequently have your drivers licence revoked for life . If , even after this , one single person continues to do this it shows the sheer and utter contempt they hold the law in , a total and utter lack of common sense and considertion for other peoples lives .

" and Does it make it any less of a tragedy that someone lost their life? "
NO it makes it MORE of a tragedy .

" No, however, sending the kid to jail for 3 years won't change that fact."
Nor will sending murderers to gaol or paedophiles so lets just let everyone go free no matter what they do .

" Now that she has a history of offense, and a suspended sentence, if she is stupid enough to make the same mistake again, she will face a custodial sentence. "
She was stupid enough to do it again only 5 months after killing someone , YES lesson learnt there alright .
Given the rate of recidivism in imbeciles like this girl I am sure she is quaking in her boots at the thought , I'll bet she was texting to all her friends driving home from the court telling all she got off .


" Our penal system is about rehabilitation and deterrent, not arbitrary revenge for revenge's sake."
It's also about punishment , sick to effing death of the send them to bed without any tea bleeding heart leftist lunatics who so obviously effortlessly dismiss and subsequently devalue the life of the victim and the ruined lives of his family and friends.

And what a massive deterrent value letting someone go after killing someone is going to have . I KILL someone I walk free , wow what a deterrent that is

[superyob]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

What purpose would sending an 18 year old kid to jail serve in this case? It is a tragedy, however, being a stupid kid and making a tragic mistake should not automatically equal a custodial sentence.

We have all done exactly what this girl did, and most of us will probably continue to do so. Does it make it any less of a tragedy that someone lost their life? No, however, sending the kid to jail for 3 years won't change that fact. Now that she has a history of offense, and a suspended sentence, if she is stupid enough to make the same mistake again, she will face a custodial sentence.

Unless she is a sociopath, she will have to live with the fact her negligence caused the death of another, she'll have to live with the images of the victims broken and bloody bodies laying there after she hit them. I've seen similar circumstances first hand, and those images never leave you, let alone when you have the attached guilt of knowing that you did it. That is punishment enough for most. If it's not for her, she'll end up in jail.

Our penal system is about rehabilitation and deterrent, not arbitrary revenge for revenge's sake.

No, I have not.
Rehabilitation does not work and deterrents need to be accompanied with lengthy jail terms...

[neptune blue]

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[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

What purpose would sending an 18 year old kid to jail serve in this case? It is a tragedy, however, being a stupid kid and making a tragic mistake should not automatically equal a custodial sentence.

We have all done exactly what this girl did, and most of us will probably continue to do so. Does it make it any less of a tragedy that someone lost their life? No, however, sending the kid to jail for 3 years won't change that fact. Now that she has a history of offense, and a suspended sentence, if she is stupid enough to make the same mistake again, she will face a custodial sentence.

Unless she is a sociopath, she will have to live with the fact her negligence caused the death of another, she'll have to live with the images of the victims broken and bloody bodies laying there after she hit them. I've seen similar circumstances first hand, and those images never leave you, let alone when you have the attached guilt of knowing that you did it. That is punishment enough for most. If it's not for her, she'll end up in jail.

Our penal system is about rehabilitation and deterrent, not arbitrary revenge for revenge's sake.

Problem is its been proven 'rehabilitation' doesn't work, or at least prisons masquerading as rehabilitation centers don't. I'm all for removing from society those people that don't deserve to be free. If you do something illegal and it results in the death of something off to prison you go. Some mistakes warrant punishment especially when like in this case despite killing someone while on her phone she's been caught driving while on her phone again. Obviously she learnt nothing from it, some people are just too stupid to realise how dangerous and/or selfish they are.

[H.G]

All I can say big Damo, as you've probably said yourself... WTF??

That's not right at all..

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

What purpose would sending an 18 year old kid to jail serve in this case? It is a tragedy, however, being a stupid kid and making a tragic mistake should not automatically equal a custodial sentence.

I am pulling you up on these two bolded as you well know you are completely wrong in those words.

Let's point out the facts

- She was found to have left the scene of an accident she caused
- She was caught driving without P plates
- She was "distracted" by her phone using Google Maps and killed two people
- She was caught again doing the exact same thing 5 months later

Stupid kid. You have got to be pulling your pudd if you think otherwise. I wouldn't call her stupid, I would call her a spoilt brat who has had everything go her way and in the above she has had everything go her way again so she thinks she can do what she wants.

Making a tragic mistake? No, no mistake here, she does this **** on purpose.

This girl is a PRIME CANDIDATE for being made an example of. There should not have been a suspended sentence handed out, she should be in jail right now because she has committed four offences which resulted in the loss of two lives and got a slap on the wrist. People will read and hear about this and think it's ****in perfectly fine to do the same as her. It's not.

If the courts would actually lay down the law instead of thinking about other **** this country wouldn't be as ****** as it is.

[Kable72]

Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

- She was "distracted" by her phone using Google Maps and killed two people
- She was caught again doing the exact same thing 5 months later

I thought she only killed one person and just got caught using her phone while driving at a later date.

[TheSneakiness]

Originally Posted by Kable72

I thought she only killed one person and just got caught using her phone while driving at a later date.

Sorry yes, killed one and severely injured the other.

[XR6TCraig]

To those thinking that the "punishment" was appropriate, ask yourself this.

Would you feel the same way if it were your brother, sister, parent, child that was killed by this thoughtless excuse for a human beings actions?

Would you really be ok with a slap on the wrist for the killer of a member of your family?

[poppa smurf]

not in this day and age neptune blue.......the case involving Eugene mgee is another glaring example amongst many.

[93EB_SXR6]

I don't get why people feel the need to use their phone while driving. I never do.

[wrongwaynorris]

Originally Posted by 93EB_SXR6

I don't get why people feel the need to use their phone while driving. I never do.

They're narccisists who think of noone but themselves and have NO consideration for anyone else . It's ALL about them . Just look at the indignant scowl on her face as she walks from court .

[ltd]

Also, this dimwit was caught 5 months after the accident using her phone. I don't think she's learnt a damn thing.

Sorry, but this idiots inattentiveness has cost a life and sufferance for countless others, and even after this she has had a cavalier attitude and done it again. Obviously this event has had minimal impact on her in the sense that she still continues to do what caused this tragedy.
I would throw the book at her and give her a custodial sentence to both send a message to her that she has negligently taken a life, and also set a precedent to others who are addicted to their stupid phones and texting and facebook and ZOMG and all that other nonsense.

Then, I would pursue the maker of the phone and Google for contributory negligence based on the fact that there are zero checks and balances in place for the kind of unintelligent nimrod who has purchased their product, and not put in sufficient safeguards to prevent idiots like this girl taking a life such as a normal GPS which has a warning against drivers using the product whilst in motion. Of course, you would settle the matter out of court but at least get something for the families affected by the dim-witted, negligent twat who only has regard for herself. A civil case for damages against this twit is also mandatory, and the green-slip scheme needs to front up some bucks to pay for damages and hopefully they go after the teutonic telephonic twat.

[hawkgirl]

its not just the phone usage issue here...

prior to this she had left the scene of an accident (& got penalised) and got booked for not displaying P plates. This spoilt tool has no regards for anyone but herself. She should have got gaol time but hey, the poor diddums might get inconvenienced...

[Franco Cozzo]

"She killed and got off"

Sounds like the story line in a porn film.

On topic:

Same thing happened with my great grandma's partner, went across the road to get fish and chips, on the way back he was crossing the road, got hit by a P plater coming the other way who was distracted, fish and chip shop owner saw and run across the road, great grandma's partner convulces around in the gutter for a bit then dies 5m away from the house.

Cops say he contributed to his own death because he was wearing dark clothes and it was dark, P plater gets off with nothing.

[BadMax]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Same thing happened with my great grandma's partner, went across the road to get fish and chips, on the way back he was crossing the road, got hit by a P plater coming the other way who was distracted, fish and chip shop owner saw and run across the road, great grandma's partner convulces around in the gutter for a bit then dies 5m away from the house.

Cops say he contributed to his own death because he was wearing dark clothes and it was dark, P plater gets off with nothing.

I'm sorry to hear, but why would any driver even a P plater as you highlighted be punished for someone not preforming their duty of care and walking out on to a road without checking?

This smug brat needs a good hiding! With her track record, do you really think she wont driver while disqualified? She has hardly been punished, why should she be concerned about re-offending?

Queensland is introducing more laws when there is clearly no need. The judiciary system is exactly where the problem is! Fix it before anything else!

[superyob]

Originally Posted by BadMax

I'm sorry to hear, but why would any driver even a P plater as you highlighted be punished for someone not preforming their duty of care and walking out on to a road without checking?

This smug brat needs a good hiding! With her track record, do you really think she wont driver while disqualified? She has hardly been punished, why should she be concerned about re-offending?

Queensland is introducing more laws when there is clearly no need. The judiciary system is exactly where the problem is! Fix it before anything else!

Agreed!!!

[5tumpy]

Geez it must be great being perfect and never doing a thing wrong, there seems to be a whole of holier than thou in this thread... Didn't realise Jesus had several accounts on this forum...

Gotta love the pious attitudes in here... As if none of you have never done something on the roads that endangered others when you were a p-plater...

And for the record "wrongwaynorris", I'm not a "bleeding heart leftist lunatic", I'm a right-wing conservative, who absolutely values human life, which is exactly why I think that sending a kid who made a stupid mistake to jail will achieve nothing...

I'm also someone who's close friend was actually murdered, and if you can't see the difference between this and an actual murder, you need to wake up and remove your head from your posterior...

[wrongwaynorris]

[QUOTE=5tumpy;4940893]Geez it must be great being perfect and never doing a thing wrong, there seems to be a whole of holier than thou in this thread...

Far from perfect , never said I was but I have NEVER driven a car at 80 KPH while not looking where I am going killed someone and then gone back and done it again 5 months later , quite bloody obviously there is NO contrition there . Nor have I ever left the scene of an accident .

" Didn't realise Jesus had several accounts on this forum..."

Are you really as monumentaly stupid as this post suggests ? Were you born a moron or did you just start in this thread ?

" Gotta love the pious attitudes in here..."

Yes real piety isn't it , having the sheer temerity to ask that someone actually take even a modicum of responsibility for their own actions . God what was I thinking . She should be free to do whatever she wants , as god forbid we wouldn't want to infringe on her civil liberties now would we .

" As if none of you have never done something on the roads that endangered others when you were a p-plater..."

Yeah like driving around after having killed , NOT offened or injured but KILLED someone due to stupid selfish innattention and then doing EXACTLY the same thing 5 months later . And god knows how many times inbetween that she wasn't caught .

" And for the record "wrongwaynorris", I'm not a "bleeding heart leftist lunatic", I'm a right-wing conservative, who absolutely values human life,"

Try practicing what you preach you santimonious windbag by valuing the poor victims extinguished life .

" which is exactly why I think that sending a kid who made a stupid mistake to jail will achieve nothing..."

TWO stupid mistakes , that we know of , three counting leaving the scene of an accident which I will bet you London to a Brick she caused as the innocent party in an accident doesn't do the bolt . And all this by the tender age of 17 , so she's crammed all this into just on a year of driving so she's averaging one major incident every 4 months .
what a ringing endorsment for leaving her out on the roads .

" I'm also someone who's close friend was actually murdered, and if you can't see the difference between this and an actual murder, you need to wake up and remove your head from your posterior..."

You are the one with your head up your **** imbecile .

[JACK250]

[QUOTE=wrongwaynorris;4940926]

Originally Posted by ;4940893

You are the one with your head up your **** imbecile .

How can people get away with saying **** like this on the forum? Not long ago I had a comment deleted within 10 minutes of posting, for making a joke that involved a reference to masturbation. This was the first time in 7 years of membership I have had a comment deleted. I remember when I was 12 years old I was probably the youngest contributing member of AFF, and I don't think I needed to be shielded from that.

I personally think it's more appropriate and "family friendly" for someone to read a reference to a natural human practice for example, than to be told that personal attacks are acceptable. I feel I have a fair bit I could contribute to the forum, but I don't think I will any more.

Thanks for the good times AFF.

[neptune blue]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

Geez it must be great being perfect and never doing a thing wrong, there seems to be a whole of holier than thou in this thread... Didn't realise Jesus had several accounts on this forum...

Gotta love the pious attitudes in here... As if none of you have never done something on the roads that endangered others when you were a p-plater...

And for the record "wrongwaynorris", I'm not a "bleeding heart leftist lunatic", I'm a right-wing conservative, who absolutely values human life, which is exactly why I think that sending a kid who made a stupid mistake to jail will achieve nothing...

I'm also someone who's close friend was actually murdered, and if you can't see the difference between this and an actual murder, you need to wake up and remove your head from your posterior...

Your the one with your head placed where the sun don't shine
I deleted this post before as its something i dont talk about but because you are so wrong and Im infuriated buy your complete ignorance I will re post

When I wast 18 and a bit the unthinkable happened
An 8 year old boy ran in front of my car resulting in the worst possible outcome the child died at the scene

I wasn't speeding , smoking , eating texting ( no mobiles back then) just driving

At the coroners inquest , based on the police investigation an the testimony of two witnesses the coroner ruled that it was death through misadventure

The poor child ran in front of my car and I could not stop in time

That was the end of the matter ... Legally anyway

Now we have someone with a poor driving record that is unquestionably and utterly responsible for the death of someone through an illegal and dangerous activity
Further more she is caught using the phone 5 months later while driving even though she killed someone doing the same thing

My incident was accidental not that it makes me feel better, hers was not yet she pretty much got the same outcome as myself with the exception of the suspended licence

And you see nothing wrong with this comparison !
You and that idiot magistrate are wrong
It's bleeding hearts like you that think drug affected thugs that kill with one punch should not go to jail because they have problems

[5tumpy]

Originally Posted by neptune blue

your complete ignorance I will re post

Gotta love a guy implying I'm stupid when they can't even use basic grammar and punctuation.

Originally Posted by neptune blue

When I wast 18 and a bit the unthinkable happened
An 8 year old boy ran in front of my car resulting in the worst possible outcome the child died at the scene

My incident was accidental not that it makes me feel better, hers was not yet she pretty much got the same outcome as myself with the exception of the suspended licence

So you would know better than most then that the guilt a normal person feels is punishment enough... Ruining their lives by incarcerating them for 3 years just costs the tax payer money...

Originally Posted by neptune blue

And you see nothing wrong with this comparison !
You and that idiot magistrate are wrong
It's bleeding hearts like you that think drug affected thugs that kill with one punch should not go to jail because they have problems

Nope, I agree totally that king hitters should go to jail, but by definition it's manslaughter, not murder, clowns like Kieran Loveridge deserve to spend every day of their sentence, but saying that one-punch that kills a man is the same as a husband who holds his wife down and beats her to death, breaking every tooth in her head and every bone in her face is nothing but ridiculous...

[ltd]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

Gotta love a guy implying I'm stupid when they can't even use basic grammar and punctuation.



So you would know better than most then that the guilt a normal person feels is punishment enough... Ruining their lives by incarcerating them for 3 years just costs the tax payer money...

Sorry, I was trying to find your point, but.......

[LG17]

Originally Posted by 5tumpy

Geez it must be great being perfect and never doing a thing wrong, there seems to be a whole of holier than thou in this thread... Didn't realise Jesus had several accounts on this forum...

Gotta love the pious attitudes in here... As if none of you have never done something on the roads that endangered others when you were a p-plater...

And for the record "wrongwaynorris", I'm not a "bleeding heart leftist lunatic", I'm a right-wing conservative, who absolutely values human life, which is exactly why I think that sending a kid who made a stupid mistake to jail will achieve nothing...

I'm also someone who's close friend was actually murdered, and if you can't see the difference between this and an actual murder, you need to wake up and remove your head from your posterior...

There's doing something wrong and learning from it, then there's doing something wrong and being too stupid, ignorant, egotistic or just too lazy to learn from it.

[UberKnee]

Just because other people have made mistakes doesn't make hers better. She killed someone and then continues to do the very thing that resulted in her killing someone. People make mistakes, idiots like her continue to make those mistakes and then act like the victim when it catches up to them.

Drink driving can just be a mistake as well, hell redneck parents that leave loaded guns around for their toddlers to shoot themselves with is just an accident. But none of that warrants a shrug of the shoulders. If you're close friend was ran down by some arrogant twat that learned nothing from it and received no punishment, and continues to use her phone and drive would it still just be a "ah well she'll be right" moment?