Kia Stinger: ‘a modern Gran Turismo’ inspired by Maserati

[Express]

Kia Stinger pricing and positioning crucial for success, says local division





by David Zalstein
Journalist
4 days ago


The much-anticipated Kia Stinger is due to arrive in local showrooms later this year, but Kia Australia says the model’s success is far from guaranteed.

Speaking with Australian media ahead of the kick-off for this week’s 2017 Geneva motor show, Kia Australia chief operating officer Damien Meredith, said care needs to be taken to ensure the sports-slanted ‘saloon liftback’ succeeds on the Australian market.

“I think we’ve got to be really, really careful how we position [Stinger],” Meredith said.

“One of our foundations is value for money. Now, we think we make great cars, and I think we do make great cars, but we’ve got to make sure that they’re priced accordingly that we get critical mass.

“I think how we position Stinger will give it the direction over the next five-to-ten years. Specifically, we think that, whilst unfortunately Commodore and Falcon are disappearing (as rear-wheel-drive locally-manufactured cars), we don’t think the market’s disappearing.

“Therefore, if we can fill that pool that’s left empty, we believe that Stinger can be relatively successful. Now, that depends on positioning, that depends on pricing, that depends on a lot of things, so again, we’ve got to be really careful how we position it and price it to fill that pool.”



2017 KIA Stinger - GT38 US Spec


Although Meredith is quick to acknowledge the notable slump in large car sales in recent times – last year alone, sales were down more than 10 per cent on 2015, and down 60 per cent compared with 2010 – the local head still sees opportunity in the segment.

“That’s fair enough. But if there’s a 40,000-unit market in Australia, and you get 10 per cent of that, that’s 4000 cars a year. And just using that as an example, if you get 10 per cent of that 40,000-unit segment, to me, that’s success.

“That’s the way you’ve got to look at it. You’ve got to make decisions for the medium- and long-haul, you just can’t say, ‘Well, that’s not working, don’t enter that market’.

“I think we’ve been relatively smart and relatively brave in some areas with what we’ve done to enter segments… I think Picanto is a good example of that, I think Stinger will also be a good example of that.

“Using that 40,000-unit market as an example, if we get 10 per cent of that, I think we’d all be happy with that. So, we’re confident that it can be a success, if we get the positioning correct and we get the pricing correct.”



2017 KIA Stinger - GT38 US Spec


While final pricing and specifications for Australia are still yet to be finalised and announced, two powerplants will be offered in the rear-wheel-drive Commodore- and Falcon-hunting Stinger, with both the 190kW/353Nm turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder and 272kW/510Nm twin-turbocharged 3.3-litre V6 to reach local shores.

That said, Meredith is more than aware of how fine the pricing balance can be, particularly in a market as competitive as Australia.

“[Hypothetically], if the 2.0-litre was $40,000 and the 3.3-litre was $60,000, I know which [one would be the volume seller]. However, if it was $45,000 [versus] $55,000, well… And if it was $43,000 [versus] $50,000, it changes the dynamic quite significantly. So, we don’t know at this point in time.”

Seeing a deeper chord for the Stinger to strike, Kia Motors Australia media and corporate communications general manager Kevin Hepworth added that “engines are probably not going to be the biggest questions”.



2017 KIA Stinger - GT38 US Spec


“It’s the rear-wheel drive that’s what’s going to offer what the market doesn’t have anymore,” Hepworth said.

“For 40 years Ford and Holden have been doing the preliminary work saying that, ‘If you want to drive a ‘real’ car, it’s got to be a rear-wheel-drive car’. Well, okay, we’ve got one. Do you?

“That’s where, we’re hoping, a lot of the interest will come from, from people who have grown up with those cars, want those cars, and don’t want to pay $80,000-$90,000 for a rear-wheel-drive European car. There’s an opening there somewhere. There’s a big hole.”

So how much interest has the Stinger already sparked? Kia Australia reckons pre-sold numbers are growing, while ‘warm/hot’ dealer enquiries are “in the 400s already”.

“So, we’re pretty happy with that,” said Meredith.


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http://www.caradvice.com.au/530037/k...ocal-division/

Kia Stinger: ‘a modern Gran Turismo’ inspired by Maserati





by David Zalstein
Journalist
1 days ago


Apart from being “probably the sportiest production car” Kia’s chief designer has ever penned, Gregory Guillaume says the Kia Stinger is also very much a modern interpretation of iconic Gran Turismo models from the 1970s.

Speaking to Australian media at the Geneva motor show this week, Guillaume said that while building a traditional, two-door sports car would be a fun project, he’s smitten with the four-door, rear-drive Kia Stinger.

“Sure, [a ‘proper’ sports car] would be great,” Guillaume said. “But if you had told me seven years ago, ‘Gregory, you’re going to be launching in Geneva a four-door coupe for Kia,’ I would’ve said, ‘You’re kidding’.


“I’m very, very happy we got the chance to work on something like [the Stinger]. It’s probably the sportiest production car I’ve done in my whole career – and I’ve worked a long time before that at Audi and Volkswagen, and God knows how many proposals of coupes I’ve done that just don’t make it.

“And the one that makes it, is at Kia. I mean, how cool is that?”



2017 KIA Stinger - GT38 US Spec


Calling out practicality and rear passenger space as key reasons the South Korean brand opted to make the Stinger a large car over a mid-sized BMW 3 Series rival, Guillaume said the original Kia GT concept – shown at the 2011 Frankfurt motor show – was born out of a single question.

“That concept car was just the result of a question that we were asked by the headquarters: If we were going to go into a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive car in that segment, in that size, what should Kia do?

“And the reference in that segment worldwide is 3 Series BMW – everybody wants to beat that. But we said from the start, we actually don’t believe that’s what Kia should be doing. We thought, with us, it should be more about style and a car that’s more dynamic looking, and we started to go for this modern interpretation of a Gran Turismo.

“I always had in mind iconic GTs of the early 1970s [with] elegance. Sure, power and speed, but this Italian Gran Turismo. I had in mind one car always: it was the original, the very first Maserati Ghibli. The car has raw power and it’s fast, but that’s not what it’s about. It’s elegance. It’s style.”



Maserati Ghibli


Guillaume says, growing up in France, legends like that first Ghibli were the ones he expected to see on the motorways, cruising from Paris to Saint-Tropez. “Work hard in Paris, go and have fun in the Cote d’Azur.”

“We were looking for the modern interpretation of that. So, yes, Gran Turismo is about the long journey – yes, spirited driving – but it’s the long journey. You need comfort, you need style. So that’s why we went for that car, which has a much longer wheelbase than a 3 Series – or any car in that segment actually – because you give the occupants space.

“And automatically, if you make those choices, you’re not going to be as competitive in handling as a four-door much more compact solution like a 3 Series, but that was the choice we made. And we thought that was the right thing for us to do.”

“But it is damn fast,” he adds, as though the Stinger’s design and packaging needed any further justification.

The Kia Stinger is due to arrive locally later this year, with prices tipped to range between $40k-$50k for the 190kW/353Nm turbocharged 2.0-litre four-cylinder and 272kW/510Nm twin-turbocharged 3.3-litre V6 engine options.

That said, Kia Australia has made clear that it fully understands just how crucial final pricing and positioning will be for the potentially Commodore-killing model.


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http://www.caradvice.com.au/531240/k...d-by-maserati/

Photos from Drive.com.au


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[Mechan1k]

I reckon they'll do well from this model.

THIS

“It’s the rear-wheel drive that’s what’s going to offer what the market doesn’t have anymore,” Hepworth said.

“For 40 years Ford and Holden have been doing the preliminary work saying that, ‘If you want to drive a ‘real’ car, it’s got to be a rear-wheel-drive car’. Well, okay, we’ve got one. Do you?

“That’s where, we’re hoping, a lot of the interest will come from, from people who have grown up with those cars, want those cars, and don’t want to pay $80,000-$90,000 for a rear-wheel-drive European car. There’s an opening there somewhere. There’s a big hole.”

Needs manual though in it's line up if you want to aim at "enthusiasts"

[FairmontGS]

I will be giving this a serious look when next-car-time arrives, along with Focus ST and Mustang 5.0

I hope they don't price the V6 too steeply - it's a Kia, not a Beemer, so I'm not paying Beemer money. They need to understand that to make it a sales success.

[LG17]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

I will be giving this a serious look when next-car-time arrives, along with Focus ST and Mustang 5.0

I hope they don't price the V6 too steeply - it's a Kia, not a Beemer, so I'm not paying Beemer money. They need to understand that to make it a sales success.

The rest of the cars they sell here are very competitive in their pricing so I don't see them abandoning that strategy and the 7 year warranty!

[Nikked]

Maserati came to my mind too, not the old ones though...the newer sedans.

[g650]

Looks great apart from the chrome highlights IMO. Doesn't have to be the fastest, if it's cheaper and rides better than the Germans it should sell well.

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Maserati came to my mind too, not the old ones though...the newer sedans.

I can see the resemblance of original Kia GT4 Stinger concept to the yellow Maserati in the article

http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2016/5/2...Lexus-7733773/

[MITCHAY]

Only thing I don't like is no manual. I reckon if they price it around under $60k it will be a no brainer for a lot of people.

[Sprintey]

Looks great & RWD

[Joe5619]

I would have given this car a very series look & compared it to Mustang as my next car, but no manual means it 110% off the table... Like serious, could buys, let alone builds a RWD cars sport & then stuffs it up completely by getting auto!!!


I work in the Kia building in Sydney & there is someone in the Kia office driving one as I see it in the car park under the building as I drive in.. I must go look at it one day..

[Mechan1k]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I would have given this car a very series look & compared it to Mustang as my next car, but no manual means it 110% off the table... Like serious, could buys, let alone builds a RWD cars sport & then stuffs it up completely by getting auto!!!


I work in the Kia building in Sydney & there is someone in the Kia office driving one as I see it in the car park under the building as I drive in.. I must go look at it one day..

And take photos

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Only thing I don't like is no manual. I reckon if they price it around under $60k it will be a no brainer for a lot of people.

Yeah, I'm not ready to buy my first auto car yet - maybe when I'm older and the knees start playing up. The 2.0T looked a good match for me. But for now I'll just have to *settle* for an Ecoboost Mustang I plan on getting in a few years. Just gotta hit a target on my mortgage balance before I allow myself to upgrade.

[blackf6]

Sub $40,000 or they are wasting their time, in MY opinion.

[Peterwl]

I am waiting for this car to arrive on Australian shores. I would be happy with the 2 litre turbo. It should be a sub $40 K car.

On paper it looks good !

If I were a Holden marketing exec in Australia, this is the car I would be worried about.

The Commodore will be an "east west" motor, non turbo. It will compete with Toyota Camry class cars !

If pricing is sensible, it could be Australias future top seller ( if volume is available ).

I will not wait 6 months for any car ( unless its free ) !

[speedy]

Good work Kia

..no more rear drive Falcon or Commodores,, seems smart move hehe!

looks impressive and as others have said, priced right, I could be in market for one in future.

[M&Ms]

Originally Posted by blackf6

Sub $40,000 or they are wasting their time, in MY opinion.

Amen, $45k tops for the V6 or it'll be a flop just like the $37k C'eed GT or the $86k Top of the line Genesis.

What's the go with the T-Bar gear lever though, reminds me of an XE Falcon.

Also, am I the only one who thinks the design just isn't going to age well at all, especially the rear?

Bets on it being 6.1 secs 0-100, 14.2 quarter mile

[CyberWasp]

Does anyone else think the range should be N/A V6 as base, V6TT mid spec & V8 the top?

I just wondering how well the 2.0 will go when you consider the EcoBoost Falcons sales.

They really need a V8 if they want to chase the SS Commodore type people as customers.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Does anyone else think the range should be N/A V6 as base, V6TT mid spec & V8 the top?

I just wondering how well the 2.0 will go when you consider the EcoBoost Falcons sales.

They really need a V8 if they want to chase the SS Commodore type people as customers.

I get what your saying but the Falcon EcoBoost sales were artificially hampered.

[Peterwl]

Kia Stinger weight ?

I have just done some searching on the net, and come up with 2 different figures.

Wheels Magazine estimate 1770 KG ?

USA Figure 1600 to 1700 KG ?

Here is me thinking this will be a 1450 to 1500 KG class car !
The 2 litre would be more than enough with that weight.

If this car is as heavy as these figures suggest, you may need the torque of the V6 to shift this "weight" with any authority / urgency.

[Hawkeye84]

Originally Posted by Peterwl

Kia Stinger weight ?

I have just done some searching on the net, and come up with 2 different figures.

Wheels Magazine estimate 1770 KG ?

USA Figure 1600 to 1700 KG ?

Here is me thinking this will be a 1450 to 1500 KG class car !
The 2 litre would be more than enough with that weight.

If this car is as heavy as these figures suggest, you may need the torque of the V6 to shift this "weight" with any authority / urgency.

Weight is unclear at the moment, but thats because theres 2.0 Turbo, 3.0 twin turbo, a diesel.

Then theres AWD and RWD

Then theres LSD and no LSD

theres lots of combinations/specs that different markets will be receiving - and that would ultimate effect the weight figures

We'll just have to wait and see who takes what to find out these final figures

[RANGEREST]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Does anyone else think the range should be N/A V6 as base, V6TT mid spec & V8 the top?

I just wondering how well the 2.0 will go when you consider the EcoBoost Falcons sales.

They really need a V8 if they want to chase the SS Commodore type people as customers.

To emulate the Aussie built cars we're losing, because they wouldn't sell?

[malazn mafia]

So they spent all that money designing the car, but too cheap to redesign that awful badge. The kia badge looks like something from the reject shop. Change it and they are on a winner

[Optional]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

So they spent all that money designing the car, but too cheap to redesign that awful badge. The kia badge looks like something from the reject shop. Change it and they are on a winner

Agree with this.

Sounds like a simple thing but Kia needs to shake off the old cheap and cheerful image totally... and changing that badge to something stylized like the Mazda badge would be a smart move I think.

It's nice looking and sounds like a fun Falcon replacement for company fleets but really really tough for me to get past that awful badge all over it.

[Chopped]

I think as long as it hits 100kph in the 5-6 second bracket it will be quick enough for most.
I also think it will be priced from 45k - 65k depending on the engine spec.

KIA have some of the better looking cars on the road imo, so models like this will certainly help the all important street/badge cred with buyers.

[XBv8mmm!]

I think it looks pretty good. Even has a "T" bar auto.
Wonder where the hand brake is?

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Chopped

I think as long as it hits 100kph in the 5-6 second bracket it will be quick enough for most.
I also think it will be priced from 45k - 65k depending on the engine spec.

KIA have some of the better looking cars on the road imo, so models like this will certainly help the all important street/badge cred with buyers.

Agreed I wouldn't be surprised if the top spec was around $70K. They do throw a lot of kit into their cars. Lower specs though I suggest would start around $45K

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by SB076

Agreed I wouldn't be surprised if the top spec was around $70K. They do throw a lot of kit into their cars. Lower specs though I suggest would start around $45K

My Falcon will go with me to the grave, that being said I could definitely see one of these alongside it in the garage in a few years.

However there's no way I would pay $70k for one. That's Mustang V8 territory and I think that is way overpriced for what you get.
As the OP says, pricing will be critical for this car.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

My Falcon will go with me to the grave, that being said I could definitely see one of these alongside it in the garage in a few years.

However there's no way I would pay $70k for one. That's Mustang V8 territory and I think that is way overpriced for what you get.
As the OP says, pricing will be critical for this car.

I agree- my Falcon is a keeper. In a few years it will retire to stud weekend duties.

When in 4 years odd I seek a daily, for $70,000 I would look at a small blown 6 BMW.

For a Kia, a V6, would need to be round $50,000 odd for me to look at.

Think of it this way, a Falcon FGX XR8 with 5 litre v8 quad cam with brembos with FPV R spec suspension and Ford heritage was $53,000 plus on roads.

$70,000 for a v6 Kia - tell them they are dreamin.....

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

My Falcon will go with me to the grave, that being said I could definitely see one of these alongside it in the garage in a few years.

However there's no way I would pay $70k for one. That's Mustang V8 territory and I think that is way overpriced for what you get.
As the OP says, pricing will be critical for this car.

In looking at what they sell the Optima for I now think they wont be $70K but between $40 and $60K depending on specs. They could try to test the market and see how much someone is willing to pay for a Kia, which could be interesting.

[richzx]

I think this is a great looking car somewhat reminiscent of at Audi A5 sportback in styling and should be a real winner if it's not too heavy to blunt the engine power. I would definitely consider buying one. I hope the ecu can be cracked by aftermarket tuners.