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03-06-2016, 03:12 PM | #1 | |||
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03-06-2016, 03:50 PM | #2 | ||
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Waiting for HSV in Clayton to start doing up Hyundais when Holden closes down. Then they can still retain the H in HSV: Hyundai Special Vehicles
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03-06-2016, 04:22 PM | #3 | |||
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Also : flame proof suit on : In May I bought a Hyundai Accent ,auto, $14,990 drive away, for my daughter..and me flame ,suit on I bought a MY 16 Feb Captiva LTZ auto, 2.2 diesel for $36,990 drive away.with 3 years free servicing. Not a demo...Ok, tell me all the "Craptiva" problems, I am still waiting for the problems with my i20, that I was told would happen, by FF members. !!!! In 3 weeks driven 1,500kms, average 9.1l/100kms. Holden claim 8.5l/100kms..Impressive!!..No rattles , nothing has failed. The heated seats are great, especially on my back after work. Apple Car Play took some getting used too..for a diesel its very quiet. It is very good value for money. Thats right after all these years with Ford, I bought a Holden !!! Ok : let me have it!!!!
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03-06-2016, 04:54 PM | #4 | |||
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03-06-2016, 06:26 PM | #5 | |||
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04-06-2016, 09:21 AM | #6 | |||
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04-06-2016, 10:59 AM | #7 | |||
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Every time I see a new captiva go past me I think to myself "they must be a tight a##". They sell because they are the cheapest,not because they are any good. Soccer moms who want an suv but can't afford anything decent would be the target demographic I'd imagine. Nothings broken in 1500k's on a brand new car and you're impressed lol? Come back in 2 years and let us know how the experience is going. I've never spoken to a long term owner and heard anything good back from them. I put an engine in a diesel one at 115k's last year,I drove it for a couple of weeks afterwards and was not even slightly impressed. My old TD5 Discovery was a nicer car to drive and given it had 300 000k's on it at the time it was more reliable lol.
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04-06-2016, 01:23 PM | #8 | |||
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05-06-2016, 12:26 PM | #9 | |||
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My XR8 has done 4,500km, the manufacturer claim is 13.7/100 and I'm getting 10.8/100. My dealer has a diesel Territory on the floor for $40k, a whole 3 grand more. I know which of those two will last longer and be the better car.
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03-06-2016, 05:12 PM | #10 | ||
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Each to their own. Not every owner experiences the same issues as another. Well done if you have a goodie. Similarly my missus's Cruze is serving us well. Doesn't mean every other variant does the same though.
They're a whole lot of car for cheap, can't expect 100% satisfaction rates.
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03-06-2016, 07:17 PM | #12 | ||
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04-06-2016, 08:29 AM | #13 | ||
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Don't forget the i20!!! I still have a fondness for FORD but FORD Aus have lost the plot. If it wasnt for Ranger where would they be????
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04-06-2016, 08:44 AM | #14 | ||
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Let's be honest, you bought on price...which is perfectly fair, but you cannot say Ford Aust has lost the plot if you expect them to price match what you paid and still expect them to stay viable in Aust.
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05-06-2016, 09:27 PM | #15 | |||
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The Barina is a pleasure to drive, it has now got 4500 trouble free k's on the clock and we have got free servicing until 2020. The smart car is my daily and it us just a bag of fun to drive with flappy paddle gear shifts and I get 4.5 litres per 100ks out of it. The GT is just *********g awesome to drive lol. Cheers Mike
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06-06-2016, 05:20 PM | #16 | |||
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03-06-2016, 06:46 PM | #17 | ||
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Ford are doing okay at the moment, but I don't think they're in a much better position than Holden (as the quote may suggest). They're probably a little too exposed to Ranger sales, given that basically 1 in 2 Fords sold is a Ranger. If that segment cools off or gets more crowded, they're in trouble. Then there's the fact that while Holden are replacing Commodore and Cruze with imported variants (Cruze sales should be unaffected and the German Commodore is surprisingly shaping up to be quite decent, particularly a rumoured 300kw AWD SS range), Ford are replacing their local volume with nothing. So even if the new Commodore tanks 50% of its volume, they still may not be any worse off than Ford. Holden really just need a competitive ute.
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04-06-2016, 12:33 PM | #18 | |||
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As unpopular as Ford is on this forum you have to give them credit for moving with the trends. Referring to Territory, Ranger and Everest. Holden has always put its eggs in one basket. Can it hang on is the question. |
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04-06-2016, 03:51 PM | #19 | ||
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I don't think the lack of RWD/V8 is going to be as bad as we've been expecting. In all likelihood they're going to be the only brand with a large budget performance car on the market and an AWD 300kw turbo 6 SS should be very appealing, particularly to the next generation of buyers who've grown up around XR6 Turbos, GTRs etc and don't idolise the V8. Ford spent the last 15 years proving that the market will accept a turbo 6. While it will never sell as well as the current model, they still have some pretty decent ingredients to work with to avoid a total disaster that some are predicting. Time will tell I guess.
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04-06-2016, 06:37 PM | #20 | |||
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Also to the guy below who said that younger buyers don't idolise the V8 he's 100% bang on. I mean I love V8s, who doesn't, but I never grew up owning one, I grew up in a family with 1.8L or 2L 4 bangers, like literally everyone else this generation. I understand the appeal of a V8 RWD, but tbh AWD is far superior to RWD and most of us have never actually owned a V8, so we can't miss what we never had. Honestly, I do wish I was born in the 50s and grew up in a period where gas was cheap, the economy was great and running a big V8 was very affordable. Today however, I'd prefer to not have fuel expenditure rivalling the annual budget of a small African nation.
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04-06-2016, 06:44 PM | #21 | ||
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The problem with Holden and Ford sales is that they have cost a lot of Australian jobs and you can Thank the Government for that.
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05-06-2016, 08:41 AM | #22 | |||
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in NZ i dont doubt your opinion, however in oz there is a fair take up of V8 SS commodores & that's without local hwy partol unit sales as well. in my work carpark the majority of commodores as V8's & you have to remember our fuel price here is about $2 cheaper than in NZ. It still amazes me here how many of the holden fans dont know there will be no v8 or rwd platform come 2017, most have heard the commodore is staying & have focused on the name only.. there will be some very shocked holden fans come 2017.
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04-06-2016, 12:09 PM | #23 | ||
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I can't understand people that play tight on prices when they are already investing so much on a new car. If you can afford $36990 on a new car, what's another $5000 or $10000? I would never buy a car on price only. That's a lot of money to spend only to be stuck with something that you didn't really want.
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04-06-2016, 03:09 PM | #24 | |||
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04-06-2016, 08:57 PM | #25 | |||
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04-06-2016, 10:34 PM | #26 | |||
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They've extensively updated the gadgets and restyled it twice,but make no mistake it is still a deawoo. What's the saying about lipstick on a pig?
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05-06-2016, 08:04 AM | #27 | ||
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I think you're one model year too early in claiming it's a GM platform with some Aussie HB pencil involvement..
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05-06-2016, 10:01 AM | #28 | |||
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Daewoo as an independent car maker ceased to be in 2001 when they basically went broke & the remains were purchased by GM & reorganised. A similar fate befell Kia which was taken up by Hyundai around the same time. Each new platform after that time had progressively less Daewoo DNA. By the time that the Captiva was introduced any Daewoo involvement had long ceased. I believe that the last Daewoo was the Holden Viva OK, it was now GM Korea using some of the old design staff, but it was GM who controlled things. To my knowledge all the engines & gearboxes were international GM offerings, like Ecotec motors & GM Powertrain (Turbo-Hydro) transmissions. The Diesel engines for example are basically VM Motori, also used by many European car manufacturers. The current petrol V6 is essentially the same SIDI engine as seen in Commodores & is manufacturers in Melbourne. The earlier Captiva's V6 was the Alloytec unit, also built in Melbourne. Dr Terry |
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05-06-2016, 12:20 PM | #29 | |||
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"The Chevrolet Captiva is a sport utility vehicle (SUV) that was developed by the South Korean manufacturer Daewoo, and has been sold by Chevrolet since 2006." Deawoo used gm supplied engines all the way through,usually from Australia. The long and short of how gm came to own them was that deawoo couldn't afford to pay for the engines that holden had been supplying them, so when the poop hit the fan gm were the biggest creditors and took them over rather than just taking a bath on them.
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04-06-2016, 09:16 PM | #30 | |||
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