Ranger Raptor filmed testing in the US

[Gumboot]

TFL caught it testing in the US.
Funny to read their comments re the Ecoboost and V8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCIxlKxlQo

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Gumboot

TFL caught it testing in the US.
Funny to read their comments re the Ecoboost and V8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rCIxlKxlQo

They reckon Ford might introduce the 2.0 diesel in the Ranger to match the competition.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by kypez

They reckon Ford might introduce the 2.0 diesel in the Ranger to match the competition.

I highly doubt it. If anything, it will be the 3.0. But I don’t think the US Ranger will get a diesel.

[simon varley]

much of the 10R transmission calibration work is now done in the US so this doesn't really prove or disprove anything

[jpd80]

Its clearly a RHD Ranger Raptor, so nothing directly to do with US programs,
we’ve seen this movie before where global Rangers go to America to do all
kinds of reliability testing, maybe a 3.0 TCDI V6 on board?

[simon varley]

all will be revealed in good time.....

I promise you won't be disappointed.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by simon varley

all will be revealed in good time.....

I promise you won't be disappointed.

By "in good time", do you mean equivalent to the
a) time between haircuts long,
b) half a scheduled service interval of a Transit Custom
c) fours times as long as a Hilux ute service interval
d) you cannot remember and you're checking your phone records.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

By "in good time", do you mean equivalent to the
a) time between haircuts long,
b) half a scheduled service interval of a Transit Custom
c) fours times as long as a Hilux ute service interval
d) you cannot remember and you're checking your phone records.

approximately one fifth of the time it took me to restore my mk1 escort, give or take a couple of lockdowns

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by simon varley

all will be revealed in good time.....

I promise you won't be disappointed.

I reckon we will, because North America will get the engine option we want.


And we will get 2.0 litres of fire breathing diesel grunt.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

I reckon we will, because North America will get the engine option we want.


And we will get 2.0 litres of fire breathing diesel grunt.

so what do you want? the V8 is never coming. there is certainly a desire within the company, but every time people look at it the business case doesn't work. Unless you want a $100k Ranger? Look at the prices the mod companies are suggesting for a RHD Bronco.

there are plenty of other engine options available for a Ranger Raptor other than the 2.0 diesel

[Craig@AUDI]

Originally Posted by simon varley

so what do you want? the V8 is never coming. l

Covid saw to that :(

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

so what do you want? the V8 is never coming. there is certainly a desire within the company, but every time people look at it the business case doesn't work. Unless you want a $100k Ranger? Look at the prices the mod companies are suggesting for a RHD Bronco.

there are plenty of other engine options available for a Ranger Raptor other than the 2.0 diesel

I wonder how many high end buyers would be put off by a $115k Ranger, the continuing
delivery of high $$$ Mustang specials is proof that giving people what they want works.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I wonder how many high end buyers would be put off by a $115k Ranger, the continuing
delivery of high $$$ Mustang specials is proof that giving people what they want works.

If your getting to $115K Rangers surely with factory input F-150's become viable.

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by simon varley

so what do you want? the V8 is never coming. there is certainly a desire within the company, but every time people look at it the business case doesn't work. Unless you want a $100k Ranger? Look at the prices the mod companies are suggesting for a RHD Bronco.

there are plenty of other engine options available for a Ranger Raptor other than the 2.0 diesel

Dont want a v8. Just a better engine that can be considered a performance engine for 75K.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Dont want a v8. Just a better engine that can be considered a performance engine for 75K.

But here's the thing,
Ford knows that RR buyers who are paying $75k now will definitely pay more for a bigger engine,
so I'm guessing that a 3.0 Powerstroke for ~$80k will be the response and welcomed by many.
If Ford offered a near 50% power increase over the 2.0 diesel, that would be a big deal.

[Bossxr8]

Ford have a fleet of ROW Rangers in the US. It's nothing new. Various testing is done over there.

ROW is rest of world ie. not North America.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Ford have a fleet of ROW Rangers in the US. It's nothing new. Various testing is done over there.

ROW is rest of world ie. not North America.

They knew that RR was ROW RHD and yet spun a story from it because they assumed wrong.
Or was it just click bait for their website.......

[Craig@AUDI]

Shelby Raptor

[simon varley]

They did. It seriously got the the point where a non-engine Raptor was specced to be built in Thailand, and then shipped over here to have the V8 fitted. It was planned to be built in Plant2. Unfortunately exchange rates happened and the program got canned.

[Craig@AUDI]

I'd heard from somebody in Ford that were built in Oz, one V8 and one V6 diesel. V8 was supposed to be supercharged and badged Shelby Raptor.

But rumours are just that until it's seen the light of day!

[Gumboot]

V8 Ranger Raptor- Shut up and take my money!

[CyberWasp]

I am guessing that the biggest problem is that it is only our market that would want a V8 Raptor - (Other than the USA) and no other countries would want it.

That said, I am assuming we will see some kind of V6 Petrol Ecoboost model which is probably just as unappealing to other countries as the V8 would have been.

So why not just put the V8 in and be done with it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I am guessing that the biggest problem is that it is only our market that would want a V8 Raptor - (Other than the USA) and no other countries would want it.

That said, I am assuming we will see some kind of V6 Petrol Ecoboost model which is probably just as unappealing to other countries as the V8 would have been.

So why not just put the V8 in and be done with it.

Sometimes I think that Ford looks too deep at all the buyers that wouldn't buy a V8 Ranger
instead of the ones that would and how much they would be prepared to pay.
Look at RHD Mustang and Ford's original sales estimates were way off, they had no idea
how big the response would be, that's repeated with Bronco in the US where the reaction
has been massive but under Mulally, Bronco was a banned subject, an unnecessary vehicle.
Amazing what happens with a leadership change.....


I suspect that the real reason Ford pulled out of the V8 Ranger was because of the way it was viewed,
a small boutique product for us instead of a V8 eng module to be shared across Bronco-Ranger-Everest,
how many times does Ford fake knowing what customers want when it never really researches the subject
properly beyond contrived research to validate the vehicle it wants to build.

I would laugh myself silly if Ford US came asking for a V8 engine module and marketing says we thought
there was no business case.......Zzzzzzzzz, out goes the fishing line.....

[MITCHAY]

I'm pretty certain I read somewhere fairly recently that they are chucking the Ecoboost V6 in.

[naddis01]

Ford seem to be happy now building anonymous vehicles that no one wants because everyone else either does it better or does it cheaper.

[Dr Smith]

Just thinking out aloud:

Could a V8 Ranger Raptor be successful in Australia at $90K driveaway and is this price point achievable considering the US would be a bigger market if made available and hence allow for a bigger spread on ROI? Would Ford US build a product like this when it has a F-150 Raptor?

Would a 3.0V6 Ecoboost/Hybrid Ranger Raptor @$85K driveaway sell better than the current Ranger Raptor.

Would a 3.0L V6 tdi Ranger with say 190kw/600Nm sell well @ $75+K considering a top spec Amarok Ultimate TDI580 is $85K driveaway but lacks safety tech?

[jpd80]

In the next couple of years, Amarok will become a made in Sth Africa Ranger under the skin.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Just thinking out aloud:

Could a V8 Ranger Raptor be successful in Australia at $90K driveaway and is this price point achievable considering the US would be a bigger market if made available and hence allow for a bigger spread on ROI? Would Ford US build a product like this when it has a F-150 Raptor?

Would a 3.0V6 Ecoboost/Hybrid Ranger Raptor @$85K driveaway sell better than the current Ranger Raptor.

Would a 3.0L V6 tdi Ranger with say 190kw/600Nm sell well @ $75+K considering a top spec Amarok Ultimate TDI580 is $85K driveaway but lacks safety tech?

Should just go electric or hybrid. Stupid slow as sin turbo diesels. Can't beat that torque and there is little chance of a V8 now.

[CyberWasp]

The other thing is that in our market a lot of the Dual Cabs are bought via Companies and or through what ever way they claim them as a tax deduction hence why the sales of them are sky high.

I don't really understand why the USA has a different Ranger to the rest of the world.
The whole Ranger, Everest, Bronco thing seems like they are doing everything twice even though some of it is shared.

Bean Counters at Ford will say that a EcoBoost V6 has similar power to a V8, is lighter, handles better and probably uses less fuel but they will never learn. Did it work well for them with the F150 Raptor?

Car makers always charge a premium for a diesel engine over a petrol one so a V8 could be sold at the same price as a V6 Turbo Diesel if made on the production line and they would still make good coin.

[kypez]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Bean Counters at Ford will say that a EcoBoost V6 has similar power to a V8, is lighter, handles better and probably uses less fuel but they will never learn. Did it work well for them with the F150 Raptor?

The 3.5 ecoboost has done really well outselling the V8 comfortably