gotta say I'm disgusted

[kennyboy]

Hi All, gotta get this off my chest! My missus drives an e-gas car which only came with a "space saver" spare wheel, only good for 80kmh. Goes to leave work tonight, about 5:30pm to find tyre flat. Calls racv, but meanwhile some workmates leaving late helped change the tyre, & off she goes to get home. So far sounds good doesn't it? 2 problems though, tyre services are shut, & home is 55kms away up the Hume highway. She tries to do the right thing, puts emergency lights on, pulls into emergency lane where possible but there must have been a lot of impatient d@#d Sh^ts on the road tonight - the abuse she copped! Truckies & cars insisted on flashing lights, tooting horns, driving right up her @rse, some missing by so little she thought one truck had hit her! This is on a four lane highway with plenty of light to see by, not to mention her emergrncy lights. The missus also says that the abuse was all from male drivers when she could see them. Just gotta ask where do people get off? There no law says she has to do the speed limit & not her fault the tyre services were shut. We'll get a full size spare soon, but that s the end of any courtesy by me to fellow drivers in the future, i.e.no more moving right for vehicles merging off ramps unless the law says I have to, in fact nothing unless the law says. Wonder how p platers & learners get on in NSW?

[vztrt]

Lucky she didn't get pinged for driving with her hazards on.

[vibe_xr6]

yeah, its very wrong these days and i feel sorry for girls especially, just for instance when my mrs is driving around every where i look there some guy just staring at her some call out etc, i get out the window and have my say but it doesnt stop the next guy, its wrong how people treat girls these days but also how impatient and rude some people are....
unfortuantly its just todays way, you either cop abuse or you feed it back to them....
this post has really pee'ed me off...
yeah and unfortuantly the hazards wont get you out of trouble, my mate got done in canberra for going through a red light because his gear knob fell off and he couldnt find a gear, he also had his hazards on but still got a 1300 dollar fine

[Kryton]

Actually, there is a law for driving too much under the speed limit and people have rightfully been done for it.
Driving at 80kmh on a freeway is not only stupid, it is dangerous.
Add into the fact that she was driving the emergency lane makes it all the more dangerous.
Driving with your emergency lights on is also illegal unless there is a hazard or if the weather is causing a hazard - having a space saver is not a hazard.

Sorry you think she was hard done by, but what she did was plain dangerous to every other motorist on that freeway.
I would have called the cops on her personally.

[My poor XF]

Originally Posted by davway

Actually, there is a law for driving too much under the speed limit and people have rightfully been done for it.
Driving at 80kmh on a freeway is not only stupid, it is dangerous.
Add into the fact that she was driving the emergency lane makes it all the more dangerous.
Driving with your emergency lights on is also illegal unless there is a hazard or if the weather is causing a hazard - having a space saver is not a hazard.

Sorry you think she was hard done by, but what she did was plain dangerous to every other motorist on that freeway.
I would have called the cops on her personally.

Bit harsh, cant go over 80 on a space saver. Granted she shouldn't have had the hazards on but thats no reason to be abused and threatened on the road.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by davway

Actually, there is a law for driving too much under the speed limit and people have rightfully been done for it.
Driving at 80kmh on a freeway is not only stupid, it is dangerous.
Add into the fact that she was driving the emergency lane makes it all the more dangerous.
Driving with your emergency lights on is also illegal unless there is a hazard or if the weather is causing a hazard - having a space saver is not a hazard.

Sorry you think she was hard done by, but what she did was plain dangerous to every other motorist on that freeway.
I would have called the cops on her personally.

I think this means you are one of said yobbo motorists.

Geez I hope you get done over and only have a spacer saver, then your opinion might change.

[T3man]

Originally Posted by davway

Actually, there is a law for driving too much under the speed limit and people have rightfully been done for it.
Driving at 80kmh on a freeway is not only stupid, it is dangerous.
Add into the fact that she was driving the emergency lane makes it all the more dangerous.
Driving with your emergency lights on is also illegal unless there is a hazard or if the weather is causing a hazard - having a space saver is not a hazard.

Sorry you think she was hard done by, but what she did was plain dangerous to every other motorist on that freeway.
I would have called the cops on her personally.

You have NFI ... I mean NFI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The space saver spare is clearly labelled in large red/orange flouro writing "max speed 80km/h"

WTF do you suggest she should have done differently?

The only thing I would not have done was drive in the breakdown lane - I would have driven left lane (and no hazards). However I have sympathy for her as she was only trying to do the right thing.

Some people just need a bullet ... line up over here everyone who thinks she should be "punished".

[dave289]

Originally Posted by T3man

You have NFI ... I mean NFI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The space saver spare is clearly labelled in large red/orange flouro writing "max speed 80km/h"

WTF do you suggest she should have done differently?

The only thing I would not have done was drive in the breakdown lane - I would have driven left lane (and no hazards). However I have sympathy for her as she was only trying to do the right thing.

Some people just need a bullet ... line up over here everyone who thinks she should be "punished".

Hey tuff guy, she was obstucting traffic which is dangerous and against the law, not to mention frustrating drivers even more making things more dangerous again. The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

[b2tf]

Originally Posted by dave289

The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

That is rubbish

Vast majority of cars now are being sold with spacesavers, yes they are a crap idea but that's how it is. How about instead of bitching and moaning, we actually accept the fact that this is how it is now, and cut those who find themselves in the unfortunate position of having to use one a little slack.

[TZENU]

Originally Posted by dave289

Hey tuff guy, she was obstucting traffic which is dangerous and against the law, not to mention frustrating drivers even more making things more dangerous again. The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

So I suppose it is illegal for L-platers to be driving on these roads, given that their maximum limit (as per RTA) is 80km???

[prydey]

i don't have an issue with the story in the OP but i would suggest, if there is an alternate route available, then use that, rather than travel on a highway/freeway.

[dave289]

Originally Posted by TZENU

So I suppose it is illegal for L-platers to be driving on these roads, given that their maximum limit (as per RTA) is 80km???

Pretty much, thats whats so dumb about this rule . We start by teaching our learner drivers to obstruct traficc, mind boggling to say the least , and my son is on his l's if you must know.

[Simple6]

Originally Posted by dave289

Hey tuff guy, she was obstucting traffic which is dangerous and against the law, not to mention frustrating drivers even more making things more dangerous again. The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

Ok so i guess you wont be complaining when youre teaching you son/daughter to drive on the freeway and highway patrol pulls them up and books them.

Or are we going to book every truck/bus/caravan etc everytime they cant maintain the 100 or 110 speedlimit due to their weight.

And nice for blaming the OP on buying a car with a space saver - i would base my purchase on other things rwther than whether its a full size or space saver.

I do agree with someone elses post - i probably would have stayed in the left lane and had hazards on. But i think she did alright.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by dave289

Hey tuff guy, she was obstucting traffic which is dangerous and against the law, not to mention frustrating drivers even more making things more dangerous again. The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

Sounds like you ought to cut down on the Red Cordial.

Driving home on a freeway with a stopping lane would be preferable to taking an alternate route (if there was one) with no room on the side of the road to try to get out of the way.

Driving with hazards on was a smart move, legal or otherwise. It told other motorists that here was someone with a problem.

As for obstructing traffic LOL... so do, in NSW, Learners, P platers, some Caravans/Motorhomes and 4.3 metre wide Headers on single lane roads doing 20kmh!

Sounds like there were far too many city drivers picking on Mrs kennyboy

[T3man]

Originally Posted by dave289

Hey tuff guy, she was obstucting traffic which is dangerous and against the law, not to mention frustrating drivers even more making things more dangerous again. The problem here is 2 things, 1 the person that bought the car with a spacesaver and 2 the manufacturer who makes such crap which should be illegal.

I believe in Karma. One day you will get a flat tyre. And it will be on a single lane country road with nowhere to pull over. When that happens I want you to remember this "YOU MUST KEEP DRIVING; YOU MUST NOT OBSTRUCT TRAFFIC."

Good luck with that!

PS. Heaven forbid that one day you might actually have a breakdown and your car be immobilised in the middle of an intersection or while stopped at the traffic lights in middle of some city somewhere. Remember this, "IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT THAT CAR!" Or I suppose you could sue the manufacturer.

Twit!

[Zoink]

Originally Posted by davway

Driving with your emergency lights on is also illegal unless there is a hazard or if the weather is causing a hazard -

From the RTA road users handbook

Hazard warning lights
Your vehicle’s hazard warning lights must not be used unless the vehicle is:

• Stopped and obstructing the path of other vehicles or pedestrians.
• Slow-moving and obstructing other road users.
• Stopped in an emergency stopping lane.
• Stopped to sell a product such as food and refreshment.
• Driving in hazardous weather conditions.
• Fitted with hazard lights as part of an anti-theft or alcohol interlock device

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Zoink

From the RTA road users handbook

Hazard warning lights
Your vehicle’s hazard warning lights must not be used unless the vehicle is:
• Slow-moving and obstructing other road users.

80kmh isnt slow moving.
Using 1 lane of a 4 lane highway isnt obstructing traffic as such either.

As for the other dimwits in this thread, have a think about the situation from other motorists views.
You have a car traveling below the speed limit, driving with hazard lights on for no apparent reason and driving on and off the emergency lane for no apparent reason.
For all anyone is concerned it might be a drink driver, someone on drugs or someone trying smack their missus up, a couple of teens in a stolen car taking a joy ride or grandpa driving with his head and hat square up his rse
I guess everyone is meant to already know that when someone's driving in and out of the emergency lane with their hazards on, it must automatically mean they are driving on a space saver.

BTW, the speed limit is 100kmh in Victoria for ALL people and traveling below that IS dangerous.
Have a chat to any Police officer and see what they have to say about it all, think youll find that they will agree.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by davway

80kmh isnt slow moving.
Using 1 lane of a 4 lane highway isnt obstructing traffic as such either.

As for the other dimwits in this thread, have a think about the situation from other motorists views.
You have a car traveling below the speed limit, driving with hazard lights on for no apparent reason and driving on and off the emergency lane for no apparent reason.
For all anyone is concerned it might be a drink driver, someone on drugs or someone trying smack their missus up, a couple of teens in a stolen car taking a joy ride or grandpa driving with his head and hat square up his rse
I guess everyone is meant to already know that when someone's driving in and out of the emergency lane with their hazards on, it must automatically mean they are driving on a space saver.

BTW, the speed limit is 100kmh in Victoria for ALL people and traveling below that IS dangerous.
Have a chat to any Police officer and see what they have to say about it all, think youll find that they will agree.

So, the driver might be a young drunk, weaving, with an old mans hat up his ****, and the smart move is to not only pass them, but also to swerve out of the same lane at the last minute?

Oh yeah, thats not dangerous at all.

If you find a driver doing 80 in a 100 zone a hazard, you need to stick to buses. There is nothing dangerous about it, unless youre not paying attention. You slow down, and pass when safe to do so, simple.

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by davway

BTW, the speed limit is 100kmh in Victoria for ALL people and traveling below that IS dangerous.
Have a chat to any Police officer and see what they have to say about it all, think youll find that they will agree.

What an awesome post :wierdo

That is a speed LIMIT, not a minimum speed. Are you trying to say that all Military Unimog trucks traveling on Vic roads are a hazard, many will only do 80-85 flat strap.

I think you will find the police will disagree with you, as long as the slower moving car keeps left. Many states have a 80 km/h speed limit for P1 drivers, are they dangerous? What about if you are towing a large caravan, dual axle box trailer of car trailer (many hire trailers have "speed limited 80 km/h" marked on them), are they dangerous and should be pushed off the road? What about road trains across the Nullarbor, they only do 90, are they dangerous in a 110 zone?

Seriously, the only thing that is dangerous about cars with courtesy, keeping left and driving at 80 in a 100 zone is drivers with attitudes like yours.

The only thing that was both dangerous and illegal that was done was driving with hazard lights on and driving in the emergency lane. These things should not be done, a caravan that is limited in speed to 80 is not allowed to do that, neither is a car with a spacesaver spare on.

[vibe_xr6]

so driving on the highway at 80 is dangerous and stupid?
did i read that she was on a spacesaver and you arent suppose to go over 80 on them so obvisouly she couldnt do much about that?
anyways im not after a debate each to our own

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by hazxr6mk2

did i read that she was on a spacesaver and you arent suppose to go over 80 on them so obvisouly she couldnt do much about that?

Hence why space savers should be illegal. Absolutely stupid thing.

[My poor XF]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Hence why space savers should be illegal. Absolutely stupid thing.

Agreed.

[block58]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Hence why space savers should be illegal. Absolutely stupid thing.

The space saver already takes up enough space in the boot in Dedicated Gas cars as it is, the last thing people want is to have a full size spare sitting in the boot.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by block58

The space saver already takes up enough space in the boot in Dedicated Gas cars as it is, the last thing people want is to have a full size spare sitting in the boot.

That's Ford fault for a crap design.

Still should be made illegal.

[Stefan]

She probably should have gone the back way.....probably safer for all.

[svo supporter]

The spacesaver in question. Is that the steel 16" rim one?

As for it being pure stupidity. Perhaps driving in the emergency lane, but as the whole scenario on the highway is concerned, definately not. In my books she did the right thing by driving with the hazard lights on, which means she is signifying she is a hazard on the road by travelling slower than the rest of the traffic. So she gets the big tick from me for that

[ZA-289]

Dont take the freeway?

Surely there is an alternate route....

[gtfpv]

woops . my fgxr6 has a space saver , lease car . i've never had one before . i was worried about loading the car up with 4 people and luggage on an interstate trip . i guess i might have to give it some more thought . they do allow more boot space though .
sorry what happened to your misses . i guess though she should of stayed in her lane , not an emergency lane . but 8okms an hr is acceptable i think , would it be against the law is she drove at 90 and got pulled over and car inspected ?

[jaydee]

People probably unaware she had a space saver and was just some idiot who's car was breaking down but insisted on keeping on going, (not saying your Mrs is an idiot).

I know what it's like, my sister in law was driving her car when the overheating light came on, what did she do? kept driving because it was too hot to stop and call a taxi, anyway one seized motor later.

[Streets]

I wasn't there, nor have I ever been in her situation, but I'm going to sit here in my jocks and pontificate about what she should or shouldn't have done according to law! And then I'm going to take my exaggerated opinion of myself to a different topic and complain about revenue raising! There is no limit to my hypocrisy!