Early territory’s disappearing?

[nstg8a]

I’ve been on a quiet hunt for an early Terri for a few weeks now.... plenty of haggard ones around, not many clean ones.

Went and looked at one at a wholesaler the other day, they want 5k for it, but as is where is. No reg or rwc.
And that seems to be common for dealers around here.

When I asked him why it wasn’t being sold ‘drive away’ ready he said the changes to the stat warranty laws last year made them unviable to sell below 7-8k unless they know for certain all the bushes etc have been done.
Unless it’s mint they send them straight to the wrecker, or a second tier wholesaler.
Look on market place and it seems for every one Terri for sale there five being wrecked.

[Raptor]

What a shame.

But let's face facts, that is what happens to 15+ year old cars. Many don't even last that long.

Still the best car I ever owned and so proud that it was conceived, developed and manufactured here in Australia, based on Falcon basics. Could it have been better, sure. I imagine a 2nd generation would have been fantastic, but that never happened.



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[Citroënbender]

The deterioration of interior trim and low standard spec of the ICC are two big factors. Also base/clear doesn’t seem to be ageing well.

Unless you’re a keen DIY’er, this - along with centre bearings and diff bushes - cumulatively knocks them on the head.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The deterioration of interior trim and low standard spec of the ICC are two big factors. Also base/clear doesn’t seem to be ageing well.

Unless you’re a keen DIY’er, this - along with centre bearings and diff bushes - cumulatively knocks them on the head.

Yeah he said bushes and ball joints hands down the biggest cost.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

Yeah he said bushes and ball joints hands down the biggest cost.

To expand, a sort of “what to budget for”... Diff bushes, centre bearing/driveshaft, front lower arms, then interior niggles - door seal leaks, flaky window switches, weak glass regs, sticky door grabs, disintegrating lock motors, and the orange foam rot smashing every bonded fabric surface inside.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Diff bushes, centre bearing/driveshaft, front lower arms, then interior niggles - door seal leaks, flaky window switches, weak glass regs, sticky door grabs, disintegrating lock motors, and the orange foam rot smashing every bonded fabric surface inside.

Rust, crappy paint etc etc haha the list goes on.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

To expand, a sort of “what to budget for”... Diff bushes, centre bearing/driveshaft, front lower arms, then interior niggles - door seal leaks, flaky window switches, weak glass regs, sticky door grabs, disintegrating lock motors, and the orange foam rot smashing every bonded fabric surface inside.

Yeah but apart from that they were great.
After 13yrs though I was tired of maintaining this beauty, someone got a good one cheap. I hope it's still out there.

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The one here has negligible rust. I think most was due to the door seals and made worse by poor panel prefinishing. You won’t find that much rust on an equivalent year Euro in the same environment.

There wasn't that much on my decade earlier ED Falcon either, it was much better finished/sealed. Ford Aus dropped the ball there, or sacrificed that to spend the money elsewhere, or to simply survive a bit longer

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

Unless you’re a keen DIY’er, .

How do you know that.

[Citroënbender]

I met this old cobber who knew all about them ‘cause he’d been talking to someone at his auntie’s neighbour’s budgie’s Bar Mitzvah, who used to work in a dealership.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

I met this old cobber who knew all about them ‘cause he’d been talking to someone at his auntie’s neighbour’s budgie’s Bar Mitzvah, who used to work in a dealership.

Budgies always have the goss.

and before you ask its still raining.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

When I asked him why it wasn’t being sold ‘drive away’ ready he said the changes to the stat warranty laws last year made them unviable to sell below 7-8k unless they know for certain all the bushes etc have been done.

Say What?
You met a 2nd-hand car dealer who was only interested in making easy-money from overpriced cars, and hates honouring his statutory obligations???
I'm shocked!

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Say What?
You met a 2nd-hand car dealer who was only interested in making easy-money from overpriced cars, and hates honouring his statutory obligations???
I'm shocked!

Yeah, Wasn’t a huge shock haha

[fnp]

They're old and most were used and abused as family hacks. They're complex enough vehicles that even moderate repair jobs can be fairly costly. Doesn't take a lot of send one to the scrapyard unfortunately.

[290GTP]

My 09 SY2's interior is literally falling apart. Hand brake handle, hood lining, window switches, compartment clips & the CD player doesn't work.

On the plus side all the diff bushes & ball joints were done last Christmas, so its got that going for it.

[Vesper Martini]

Why are the early ones disappearing? well my 2015 titanium diesel is worth $10K as a trade in apparently. I have no doubt id get more as a private sale but their values don't hold.
Id say 5K for an early one with no reg at a wholesaler is too much.

I sold traded my first one for $3K at 246,000kms it served me well but I wouldn't sell it to anybody I knew.

they made improvements over the 11 years but the early ones today - walk away

[XR Martin]

Merc MLs and BMW X5s don't fair any better over time in my experience.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Merc MLs and BMW X5s don't fair any better over time in my experience.

but they evolved

[UTXR8]

bought a 2005 ghia in march...paid 8k...6 speed...no wear or tear in interior....awd...78000 k's with full logbooks....doctors wife only used it for the private school run....great car....

[Spammy]

I sold mine last month for $3k, 2007 SR with 7 seats, one owner, 170,000km.

I had spent best part of $2k on repairs in the last year.

[Mulva]

Originally Posted by Spammy

I sold mine last month for $3k, 2007 SR with 7 seats, one owner, 170,000km...

Curious how much you listed it for...advertised for $10k and you came down $7k from there? Sorry, that is a bit silly - buyer should only expect $7k off if it were advertised for $30k or more.

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Curious how much you listed it for...advertised for $10k and you came down $7k from there? Sorry, that is a bit silly - buyer should only expect $7k off if it were advertised for $30k or more.

I knew the trade in value was at best $2k, similar ones were advertised everywhere for $6-7k by dreamers. I sold mine to a mate who wanted it to tow his boat. With no negotiations needed.

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by Mulva

Curious how much you listed it for...advertised for $10k and you came down $7k from there? Sorry, that is a bit silly - buyer should only expect $7k off if it were advertised for $30k or more.

Or to put it another way, I sold the car for what's it was worth. Same way I want to buy a car for what it's worth not what some wood duck advertises it for. Not sure why you and your mates struggle with what most people would see as a sensible way to transact.

[stock1991]

Originally Posted by Spammy

Or to put it another way, I sold the car for what's it was worth. Same way I want to buy a car for what it's worth not what some wood duck advertises it for. Not sure why you and your mates struggle with what most people would see as a sensible way to transact.

Do you think I am a wood duck? No but just in case you were, I didn't want to miss you

[Citroënbender]

You wouldn’t buy new door rubbers just for shrinkage, better to chop in a length and make it fit better than new.

[Bolly47]

That bloody true lot of territory and falcon retiring at early age heading toward graveyard.Too many poor quality, undersize . dirt**** cheap rubber suspension bushes need replacement more often ,cost more than cars what is worth is biggest mistake by Australian ford Company failing by not looking after customer's welfare and his motor vehicle as got a friend telling me that her brother in law had to strip the territory apart at home and selling parts online as not worth repairing sady so good nes still got my old 1995 triton ute almost nothing to spend except oil change service, tyres and second hand front seat has done 415000 km and still running as soon clutch and gearbox need overhaul and still spending money on repairing my 08 AWD turbo territory as not buying any supero or northlane suspension parts never again still don't last as long so therefore i have decided now i will making my own two front diff bushes (nearly finish ) that will last many years without failing and over next fews months will be replacing failing rear diff supero bushes myself as car only done 260km

[ebv8]

i just put a deposit an '08 AWD Ghia for cheap, its uneconomical to repair for a regular private person but for me i can do it all myself for the cost of parts

it needs:
steering wheel ($350)
door trim ($100+) if i can find one
inner door handle ($25)
roof lining ($300)
brakes x4 ($600)
all diff bushes and suspension ($3500)
rust repairs ($1500)
missing plastic panels ($200 + paint)

so if it was in good condition it would be worth $6-8K

so whats it really worth?? nothing really

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by ebv8

i just put a deposit an '08 AWD Ghia for cheap, its uneconomical to repair for a regular private person but for me i can do it all myself for the cost of parts

it needs:
steering wheel ($350)
door trim ($100+) if i can find one
inner door handle ($25)
roof lining ($300)
brakes x4 ($600)
all diff bushes and suspension ($3500)
rust repairs ($1500)
missing plastic panels ($200 + paint)

so if it was in good condition it would be worth $6-8K

so whats it really worth?? nothing really

And there’s a boatload of them on the market in that sort of condition.
I can do most of the work except the bushes, but I don’t really want to.
So if I can find an early one, even a povo pack, that’s had most of it done I’d be happy.
I’m also happy to have the btr over the zf for future repair/servicing peace of mind. The extra fuel usage doesn’t bother me.

[ford71V8]

FYI, I just queried trade-in price on our 2006 Territory (for a 2017 Mustang).
$1500

With suspension work recently done (doesnt matter)
The only answer is to run it into the ground.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

FYI, I just queried trade-in price on our 2006 Territory (for a 2017 Mustang).
$1500

With suspension work recently done (doesnt matter)
The only answer is to run it into the ground.

my 05 had an aftermarket touchscreen & GPS 20" wheels, bushes had all been done a year earlier

makes no difference they just plug the year & kilometres into glass guide or similar

[whynot]

I think the Territory is in that phase of life where most people shrug and send it off to the knackers. Only a few Territory's will somehow survive this phase, and become beloved antique/classic/historical/collectable cars. For example, SYII Turbos would be as rare as hen's teeth by now.

I really miss the SY AWD petrol Territory. Such a pleasure to drive.