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07-06-2014, 03:06 AM | #1 | ||
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I guess I missed it over there.
This is interesting: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how...125314/+travis
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07-06-2014, 07:23 PM | #2 | ||
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Amazing battle.
A stark reminder of how "safe" battle is these days. Today when our country goes to war, one soldier dies now and then, but rarely, and it's a national tragedy that makes news for weeks, with emotional calls that we pull out of a war or immediately give up and go home. On D-Day, around 12,000 allied soldiers died in that one day and 2000 aircraft were lost. You can actually draw a conclusion that the public back then were made of sterner stuff and saw casualties as a tragic but sadly normal part of war and demanded that we stick with it to the end...the world would be a very different place now if we had lost our nerve and demanded we go home when a single soldier died. |
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08-06-2014, 11:09 AM | #3 | |||
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Carpet bombing from 35000 feet and you really have no control over what you hit....you kill everything, especially those whom you claim to be liberating. probably why the yanks have never won a war, the Vietnamese for example were just plucking them off one by one when they eventually marched in. Now they prefer drones so no accountability. France was absolutely levelled for D-day....and no monument park could possible be big enough for 7 million jews.... I hate war and it's glorification by these politicians' ceremonies. |
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09-06-2014, 07:13 PM | #5 | ||
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09-06-2014, 09:49 AM | #6 | ||
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Oh ok, tell us another one then!
cheers, Maka
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10-06-2014, 10:46 PM | #7 | ||
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I'll just tell you the ones in my lifetime?
Vietnam? fail Korea? fail Iraq? fail Afghanistan? fail the reason is that no "enemy" marches in straight lines with drummer boys dressed in red and bagpipes blazing in front anymore. It's a guerrilla based platform since WW2, and you need the civilians on side, else you can't tell who the enemy is. (why I mentioned carpet bombing as a flawed military strategy) cheers zilo |
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10-06-2014, 11:56 PM | #8 | |||
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Iraq isn't a fail Saddam isn't there any more , Korea also not a fail neither was Kuwait I do agree that it's getting harder to spot the enemy then again wars of late are more political rather than attempts at world domination |
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09-06-2014, 08:53 PM | #9 | |||
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The ceremony is to remember those who made the ultimate sacrifice so that people like you can exercise your right to free speech, like you just have Last edited by Auslandau; 10-06-2014 at 08:01 PM. Reason: Exactly ..... Free speech and different opinions should be allowed without the insults. |
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08-06-2014, 12:52 AM | #10 | ||
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I believe in the Gulf War many more American troops died from accidents than due to enemy action.
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08-06-2014, 11:32 AM | #11 | ||
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Carpet bombing cities was to disrupt and lower morale. How effective that was is debatable. Strategic bombing was completely different. German was machine was halted from the continual bombing of oilfields. They had peak numbers of planes and tanks produced right up until the end of 1944, but most just sat around due to lack of fuel. Perfect example of this is the Battle of the Bulge. One of the firsts goals were to capture allied fuel dumps from the retreating allies, it was doomed form the start.
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Yes they needed fuel but the Germans surprised the allies who thought the war would be over by Xmas 1944 The Germans we haulted at Bastogne by the 101 st airborne but they finally got the upper hand when the fog finally cleared and allied air superiority stopped the Germans Their objectives were over ambitious and eventually they did abandon their vehicles many of which were out of fuel The German army were arguably still the best army in the world. Their tanks, infantry weapons even some of their aircraft were far superior to anything the allies had What the Germans couldn't do is replace their losses unlike the Allies |
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10-06-2014, 09:16 AM | #13 | ||
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10-06-2014, 09:27 PM | #14 | |||
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The only way they were able to begin the Ardennes Offensive is because the US divisions had overstretched their supply lines for some time and were thinly spread in the Ardennes region Plus Hitler had pulled divisions from the east and north purposely to support the operation. Even then as soon as the weather lifted and the weaknesses in the strategy started to show, it was all over
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10-06-2014, 10:38 PM | #15 | |||
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Dick Winters (101st airborne) and band of brothers fame him self said that the Germans had the best army in any theatre of combat even at that late stage of the war tanks such as the king tiger first saw action in the Arden and were not pulled from the eastern front The allies were unaware of these reserves of men and equipment which was a result of the Germans widening the call up age which put an additional 600,000 soldiers on the western front to one million men in total. They assembled 250,000 solders spread over 7 panzer divisions with the armoured strength of the 6th Panzer army for the assult However they were still short of fuel manpower and amunition, and to proceed with the attack was a desperate measure by the austrian mad man running the show at the time What the allies had was numbers and resources. This doesn't discredit them as a fighting force but they overwhelmed the Germans with numbers on all fronts both in the sky and on the ground As an example some German Tiger tank units had a kill rates of 10:1 against the allies but the tanks were replaced just as quickly as they were destroyed There we're about 1,300 Tiger 1 tanks built compared to around 53,000 M4 shermans built and 57,000 T34's. sure the Germans had other tanks but you just can't win against those odds no matter how good you or your equipment is What was a basket case was the Austrian dictator and his cronies who thought they could still win the war |
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09-06-2014, 04:07 PM | #16 | ||
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Ah yes the yanks they swoop in at the end once theve been attacked take all the credit then demand a thank you after most of europe is under nazi control. Better late then never i suppose.
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09-06-2014, 05:19 PM | #17 | ||
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We`d be speaking Japanese and the Poms Deutsch is they didnt swoop in.
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09-06-2014, 06:28 PM | #19 | |||
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1) invaded Manchuria 2) invaded China 3) invaded French Indochina/Vietnam In the period 1933 to 1940, the US, UK, France and Holland would not have had the need to impose economic and trading sanctions against Japan... As for D-Day, it was not just all about America, there was a large UK and Canadian contingent too, and the Royal Navy provided most of the surface combatants to cover the invasion fleet. Had the ALLIES not carried out D-Day and just left it up to Stalin, then the Iron Curtain would have been at the English Channel, not the middle of Germany.
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09-06-2014, 11:24 PM | #20 | ||
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We could have left you in Churchill's protective embrace.
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09-06-2014, 06:36 PM | #21 | ||
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It is rather amusing they imposed sactions because the Japanese took over already invaded and conquered countrys. Good old European powers do as we say not as we do.
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09-06-2014, 08:19 PM | #22 | ||
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Don't forget that 300 Australian's died on the 6 June. These were from Bomber and fighter command, naval landing craft operators and soldiers attched to British and Canadian units.
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09-06-2014, 09:54 PM | #23 | ||
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Agreed its also a good time to reflect on the real reasons all this started in the first place instead of the propaganda reasons the victors would have you believe according to the french and British conquering europe is evil crushing africa and most of asia and slaughtered genocide was just bringing civilization. Its funny how the wheels of time turn all things around like a pin wheel.
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10-06-2014, 08:03 PM | #24 | ||
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Careful with how opinions are discussed. So bordering on racist slurs, the thread will close if it continues in this vein.
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10-06-2014, 08:19 PM | #25 | ||
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Americans fought on the wrong side.
Shouldn't have been in the Euro theatre at all, wasn't their fight.. |
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10-06-2014, 10:35 PM | #26 | ||
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It wasn't? Hitler declared war on us, not the other way around.
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10-06-2014, 11:38 PM | #27 | |||
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If someone in the high command or the officer class had killed Hitler, things would have gone a lot better. The knob end wouldn't listen to his generals. |
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11-06-2014, 06:00 AM | #28 | ||
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Citation needed.
Isolationism and support are different things.
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10-06-2014, 10:34 PM | #30 | ||
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I recently read this book. It's very depressing:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/bo...view.html?_r=0
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