New V8 Engine...110 MPG....400 HP

rocket67 · 07-06-2009, 10:56 AM

Found this on the GIM Forum.

A man from Ohio USA has developed a V8 that will do 110 miles per gallon, and achieve 400 horsepower.

On Monday he is opening a factory to produce the engines.

Check out these links -

http://revengedesignsinc.com/weekly_news.html

http://www.mustangevolution.com/20080702712/

http://jalopnik.com/5070914/80-mpg-4...eading-to-sema

In the first link there are some very cool looking Monaros ( Pontiacs )

For some reason a couple of the links did not work. So here is the thread on the GIM Forum -

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=379952

Rocket.

Rocket

XRQTR · 07-06-2009, 11:14 AM

That side skirt looks straight off an F6/GT BA, look closely.

Other than that though this is great news for the automotive establishment as a whole, if this is legit then it shouldn't be too long before this technology starts to filter down to the other manufacturers. Can you imagine owning a car that can pull stumps out of the ground and still return the economy of the new Mini Diesel (rated @ 3l/100km).

Smaller fuel tanks, mean less weight which again add to the efficiencies, not to mention the efficiency to your weekly budget

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I think this guy deserves a Nobel prize, this has got to be the biggest step towards a greener high powered future for all.

I'd love to know what the oil barons are thinking after having read this

: but I think I know what the US corn growers are thinking seeing as it runs on E85, looks like farmers could be the new fuel barons LOL.

Micksxboxmods · 07-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

That side skirt looks straight off an F6/GT BA, look closely.

you're not wrong, even the fluted area seems to be of a very similar length.

malazn mafia · 07-06-2009, 11:17 AM

So he's selling a 1980's era Ford V8 Engine design or what? or is his technology portable to any V8 engine?

Windsor220 · 07-06-2009, 11:22 AM

My guess is this guy will be assasinated and all records destroyed. Cant let this little bit of info get out.

mik · 07-06-2009, 11:47 AM

he`s just put the electric car on the back burner.

XRQTR · 07-06-2009, 08:08 PM

Hey Pot(smoker)tery...... skeptic much??

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Originally Posted by mik

he`s just put the electric car on the back burner.

This is probably half the reason they won't, they (the greens worldwide) are trying to push for alternative energy, imagine if you could have a V8 using 3l/100km you would also in turn end up with a 4 cylinder using less than 1/100. Now I don't know the exact figures (but I'd be more than happy to walk down the main street in Detroit NAKED if I'm wrong) but I am willing to bet you that the final impact of pollutants would be less than that of any other fuel alternative that's currently being pushed.

edit: just to add to the first paragraph, it's the total "carbon footprint" (the current buzz phrase) that is left behind by the production of these new "eco friendly" alternatives as opposed to some retuning of current if not old technologies.

It takes millions of tonnes of coal to produce electricity now, imagine if everyone went AC (ye some might go both ways but hey

: ) imagine the extra pollution caused by the power stations just to recharge everyones cars. On top of that you have the production of the batteries, the batteries themselves, then the "recycling" (melt it down and re use what you can of the lead) which emits huge amounts of pollution (plus this will likely be sub'd to 3rd world parties who haven't signed non pollutant treaties so it will be cheaper) then the amount of copper that would be needed for windings, the list goes on.

As for ethanol based fuels we already see the effects of that on our produce prices, small here at the moment but will get worse as demand grows and farmers slow production for food consumption so as to increase production for fuel production.

Then you have the Oil producing nations who will lose Trillions upon Trillions, once fuel consumption slows the price will drop as demand decreases, imagine instead of filling up twice a week you filled up maybe, maybe twice a month. They stand to lose the most in the short term.

The list doesn't end there either but I think, actually I hope I have demonstrated my point as to why this wouldn't be making news headlines worldwide.

Am I a bit of a conspiracy theorist, you betchya, but it's because of theories like this that often people are inspired to dig deeper, most just put them off as conspiracy but some continue to question.

I'm not saying this is absolute what I am saying is don't just dismiss everything that seems unreal as crackpot.

Rodp · 07-06-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

I'm not saying this is absolute what I am saying is don't just dismiss everything that seems unreal as crackpot.

He seems to be claiming that he's achieved it by using smaller tolerances which in turn reduces heat and makes the car more efficient. Excuse me, but what bunk. Smaller tolerances have multiplied this car's efficiency 6 fold?! You'd think that in the effort of reducing fuel consumption, the worlds engine manufacturers may have progressively reduced tolerances to achieve more efficiency with little effort over a period of time?

This reeks of one whole big technicality. Is he running 100mpg with whatever fuel he is using or is he using 100mpg of 'gas' when he splashes in a gallon of regular fuel into a whole tank of Ethanol?

Spanrz · 07-06-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

This reeks of one whole big technicality. Is he running 100mpg with whatever fuel he is using or is he using 100mpg of 'gas' when he splashes in a gallon of regular fuel into a whole tank of Ethanol?

Remember, the word here is "Equivalent". What is he doing that is supporting this equivalent word?
He must be substituting something??? And using the mpg as a reference point.

Reducing tolerances is a great idea, but failure rates will increase. How reliable will it be before a rebuild?
I've seen what a reduced tolerance system can do (Diesel Fuel Injector Pump), if you hit it with a steam cleaner it seizes up.
Better filters, because closer tolerances hate bad servicing techniques.
(extended oil changes are bad/bad filter efficency/proper oil type must be used)

Somehow I just dont see how an 8 cyl can be more fuel efficient than a 4 cyl, when it has a larger capacity of air. More air, means more fuel has to be pumped in.
Around 14.7:1 to get the right air/fuel mixture (basically, but just generalising).

Somehow I see, he is doing more than just Peter Brock's "polarizer".

EDIT:
That "MPGe" figure is there because the car runs on ethanol, so the extra "e" on the end signifies the energy equivalent to a gallon of regular gasoline.
So 100 MPGe = a reality of 80 MPG of normal fuel.

XRQTR · 08-06-2009, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Spanrz

That "MPGe" figure is there because the car runs on ethanol, so the extra "e" on the end signifies the energy equivalent to a gallon of regular gasoline.
So 100 MPGe = a reality of 80 MPG of normal fuel.

And this is bad???

I mean sure it's not the 100 but 80 is still a hell of a lot better than what's out there at the moment.

Even at a decent 10l/100km you're talking about roughly 40ml/gal so then 80ml back to km is around 5l/100km on par with most of the current Direct Injection Diesel engines out on the market at the moment.

Hey Dan I'm not arguing with you about where the Ethanol comes from but what by product of corn is used, the sugar beet and cane is the pulp but what pulp from corn and wheat (just asking)?? The flip side of that is that the cane growers/ethanol producers in particular are getting subsidised to produce Ethanol, so essentially we still pay the difference in the end.

As for tolerances, not sure but I would have thought that the tighter an engine runs the more efficient, I mean F1 engines are all hand built so as to be able to run minimum tolerances. Sure they get rebuilt quite regularly but that could also be because they rev at around 12-15,000rpm.

There are other technologies that could be used and if this guy is an electrical engineer then there is one other way that I can think of that I actually put to an engineer many years ago to which he said it could work. Essentially it's a wasted fuel burn off set up but rather than just burning off remaining fuel in the cylinder you would actually fire two cylinders simultaneously. This would work best in a V8 as it essentially runs the engine as a twin bank 4 cylinder engine, but because you fire two cylinders at once you'd need less fuel in each, in theory half as a minimum but with proper tuning and timing you would use up to half that again. So you would have roughly a 50% fuel saving but with little to no drop in torque which is where the real power is due to the simultaneous firing of 2 cylinders this would make up for any losses in a single cylinder fire system.

Think about it, it would work.

just to add: I think the Revenge article pretty much tells the story, the big boys look at everyone as a crackpot first, expecting them to do their own R+D then look at it again if it actually works. Revenge have essentially bought into the rights so that when they show it does work and the demand from the consumer is there they have a big stake in the rights buy out when the big boys want in. On the upside they have a great economical engine that they can plonk into their own production model that saves fuel and gives you outstanding peformance at the same time, plus the US Government is giving huge subsidies to companies researching and promoting "Green Tech", so they are making money from all sides. Smart people.

Gobes32 · 07-06-2009, 11:49 AM

What will happen to the all conquering Chevrolet Volt?

mickyyyy · 07-06-2009, 11:54 AM

awsome news and read

I carnt believe that 48yr old in his mustang and what he has achieved

TURBOTAXI · 07-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Sounds great - still no detail from what I can see.

rocket67 · 07-06-2009, 12:30 PM

What we need is for a cashed up business/individual to get over there ( USA ) quick smart and buy the manufacturing rights for Australia.

Great way to stick it up the oil companies.

I would be first in line to buy one and replace the 15.8 litres per 100 km V8 in the Statesman.

How can it be that this story is not all over the media world wide?

Rocket. :eclipsee_

pottery beige · 07-06-2009, 12:30 PM

Another crack pot...Believe it when you see it.... Pottery

**PepeLePew** · 07-06-2009, 12:51 PM

Maybe its the Firepower pill and its real after all!

pottery beige · 07-06-2009, 01:05 PM

[QUOTE=PepeLePew]Maybe its the Firepower pill and its real after all![/QUOTE

I'm onto it.. FIREPOWER PILL.. tin of SNAKE OIL.. those MAGNET THINGYS for fuel lines... PB ENERGY POLARIZER.. I'm looking at 200mpg out of da old clevo.. Yeee Haaar.. Pottery

BIGJB · 07-06-2009, 01:29 PM

Don't be so skeptical guys.
With the engine idling on the flat bed of a truck it probably does 100mpg.

ryanstev · 07-06-2009, 01:51 PM

I knew of someone who has an XY with a 5.8 Cleveland in it, he's leaned out his main throttle severely, to the point where it'll melt the pistons, but he's using water injection to prevent this.
When you floor it and the secondaries open up they're set to be rich, (so giving normal fuel mix when combined with the lean primaries) and he has full power.

I wonder if this is similar at all to what this guy has done.

pottery beige · 07-06-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ryanstev

I knew of someone who has an XY with a 5.8 Cleveland in it, he's leaned out his main throttle severely, to the point where it'll melt the pistons, but he's using water injection to prevent this.
When you floor it and the secondaries open up they're set to be rich, (so giving normal fuel mix when combined with the lean primaries) and he has full power.

I wonder if this is similar at all to what this guy has done.

Does he run red cordial for for wheels up on the strip.. Pottery

ryanstev · 07-06-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

Does he run red cordial for for wheels up on the strip.. Pottery

I'll ask, pretty sure it's orange and mango though.

Spanrz · 07-06-2009, 02:13 PM

What I can't undertsand is 100mpge..
"The V-8 HP2g motor uses E85 fuel, is proven 110 mpge (miles per gallon – equivalent)"

WTH is with that, it's either 110mpg or it's not...??? There is no equivilency here.
I think they are basing on their figures, taking into account of fuel differences and adjusting the end result to suit.

IMHO in all these cases of "claiming", a big word of "upto" means so much than just a standard figure.

It's what it does in MPG, really what counts. I want to see an independent vid of that.
I'm only skeptical of the loosely termed word of "equivalent".

flappist · 07-06-2009, 04:14 PM

If it were for real the mainstream media, particularly that which is Popular Peoples Democratic Republic of Kalifornia based would be all over it.

Not that I am a cynic.....

Rodp · 07-06-2009, 05:07 PM

I'm figuring you can achieve those figures only if you were idling it down a very long hill.. or better yet, pushed it out of a plane.

pottery beige · 07-06-2009, 05:56 PM

I just find it really hard to believe some small town country hick can develop an engine more efficient than.. LAMBO.. BMW.. MERC.. AUDI.. and our own TURBO 6.. which is a 1st class donk... Pottery

XR Martin · 07-06-2009, 08:25 PM

My theory is that it really only uses 2.14L of oil based petroleum per 100km. Seeing as this oil based petroleum is only 15% of the fuel, the rest being renewable ethanol, that really gives it an average economy of 15.6L of total fuel per 100km.

XR Martin · 07-06-2009, 08:31 PM

Oh as for ethanol, the amount of corn it takes to produce one tank of fuel could feed a person for a year.

Electricity produced from coal to power electric cars is no less polluting than petrol powered cars.

The real solution is nuclear power and electric cars, and cars that you keep forever until they die, like a fridge or a TV. Not replace it every year. This will never happen though....

**CAT600** · 07-06-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Oh as for ethanol, the amount of corn it takes to produce one tank of fuel could feed a person for a year.

For the 1,000,001st time, Ethanol is produced from the UNUSABLE LEFTOVER molasses of corn, sugar beet/cane and grain.... not taken from the mouths of starving poverty class citizens.

Daniel

Ohio XB · 08-06-2009, 01:13 AM

I live in Ohio and just going from what I remember reading about this last year, it gets about 80 mpg on E-85 fuel, bottom line. That's great, if it is true.

The guy is an electrical engineer and he claims that is what enables him to achieve this; high tech electronics that he designed himself.

I am still awaiting for proof positive evidence; labratory confirmed fuel consumption and dyno figures. I'll have to look into this to get caught up on the progress since last year. It was in the local news then but hasn't been since then.

Steve

schnoods · 09-06-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio XB

I live in Ohio and just going from what I remember reading about this last year, it gets about 80 mpg on E-85 fuel, bottom line. That's great, if it is true.

The guy is an electrical engineer and he claims that is what enables him to achieve this; high tech electronics that he designed himself.

I am still awaiting for proof positive evidence; labratory confirmed fuel consumption and dyno figures. I'll have to look into this to get caught up on the progress since last year. It was in the local news then but hasn't been since then.

Steve

Ahh sounds like modern day Polariser talk!

80mpg, in what car? Sounds like it might have a 2 speed diff, maybe a 10 speed spicer behind it.