How long do you expect holden to make commodores in aus?

[mattrobbo26]

I'm not sure if there is a thread here already but if there is feel free to delete this one.
Now I'm sure we all heard the big wigs at Holden say the Commodore will be around until 2022. Realistically how long do you think Holden will be producing Commodore in Australia? After reading about all the tech and weight saving and everything else that has gone into the vf and it selling at a much lower price than the ve how is it financially viable? Also having spoken to a dealer be it a Ford dealer, he said that Commodore will only be around for the next 3 year's but because of the release of the vf they don't want to make any announcements as they see it as bad publicity.

[GQ_Smooth]

Pretty sure Holden have already announced the VF will be the last AUS engineered RWD Commodore, after VF they will assemble the Malibu and re-badge it as a Commodore.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

Pretty sure Holden have already announced the VF will be the last AUS engineered RWD Commodore, after VF they will assemble the Malibu and re-badge it as a Commodore.

Malibu launches next week, strong rumor it will have 2.0 diesel as well.

[stevanford]

2016. The Zeta platform will be replaced by a FWD platform built in Asia after that.

[BDA074]

As above... Commodore as we know it will be dead in 2016 as well...

[MethodX]

Isnt there an option to make it on the next Alpha platform?
Alpha cheaper version that the Camaro will use.

[Nikked]

The Commodore as we know it is already dead...

Got a RWD epica instead...




*Disclaimer, the above comment is in a non-serious, non-factual nature. It in no way represents my entire feeling towards the Commodore.

[mattrobbo26]

Thanks for the responses and clarifications.

[Joe5619]

I hate the double standards of some people on this forum. Holden has confirmed NOTHING about the next all new Commodore (other than there will be one & it will be a global plant form). "We" as Ford fans did not like what others tried to joint dots about the Falcon, so don’t do it Commodore. For all we know Commodore could continue on as a global RWD plant form, just like it is today.


As Australians, lets hope there is no "used by" date & they continue to build them forever!!

[FNQracing]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

As Australians, lets hope there is no "used by" date & they continue to build them forever!!

Would love to share your enthusiasm, but its pretty clear the large car market is on its last legs. The sales graphs tell the story that even blind Freddy can join the dots.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by FNQracing

Would love to share your enthusiasm, but its pretty clear the large car market is on its last legs. The sales graphs tell the story that even blind Freddy can join the dots.

I don’t agree.


I consider Camry & Commodore to be competing for the same market (despite what some sales report classes them as). Camry lives with a large export market & a strong local one, why can’t the Commodore? There is no reason why Commodore can't be around for 100 years!!

[mik]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t agree.


I consider Camry & Commodore to be competing for the same market (despite what some sales report classes them as). Camry lives with a large export market & a strong local one, why can’t the Commodore? There is no reason why Commodore can't be around for 100 years!!

did you see the article were toyota has made a loss in oz for the last 3 years????

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by mik

did you see the article were toyota has made a loss in oz for the last 3 years????

No one said it was going to be easy. When the dollar drops, things will turn around.

I wish Toyota & Holden luck as they take the harder option of trying to make a profit in this country!! The easy option is to close the front door & give up!!

[fte50]

double post.

[fte50]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I don’t agree.


I consider Camry & Commodore to be competing for the same market (despite what some sales report classes them as). Camry lives with a large export market & a strong local one, why can’t the Commodore? There is no reason why Commodore can't be around for 100 years!!

Couldnt be further from the truth - Camry is competing against Toyota abroad, not Commodore and not Falcon.
Business cases are no longer wholly established on market share, but more so cost margins of available global facilities under the same umbrella, govt assistance programs etc.
Our last Australian Monaro was a unique product with its own market- a true niche vehicle which sold in droves for its market base. It was killed off why ?
Please dont tell me due to platform !
Commodore is finished and its fate was sealed by the 'inhouse dissaproval' of its HFV6 plants failing external sales market and its Alloytech V6 engines shortcomings.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by fte50

Couldnt be further from the truth - Camry is competing against Toyota abroad, not Commodore and not Falcon.Business cases are no longer wholly established on market share, but more so cost margins of available global facilities under the same umbrella, govt assistance programs etc.
Our last Australian Monaro was a unique product with its own market- a true niche vehicle which sold in droves for its market base. It was killed off why ?
Please dont tell me due to platform !
Commodore is finished and its fate was sealed by the 'inhouse dissaproval' of its HFV6 plants failing external sales market and its Alloytech V6 engines shortcomings.

Let me rephrase... Camry & Commodore are competitors in Australia.

Also, you may think Manaro was a unique product, but it was Commodore buyers buying it, so it was by & large competing with the Commodore.
Why was it killed off?? I have no idea!!

[Gadgetman]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I hate the double standards of some people on this forum. Holden has confirmed NOTHING about the next all new Commodore (other than there will be one & it will be a global plant form). "We" as Ford fans did not like what others tried to joint dots about the Falcon, so don’t do it Commodore. For all we know Commodore could continue on as a global RWD plant form, just like it is today.


As Australians, lets hope there is no "used by" date & they continue to build them forever!!

Your right. The only difference between Holden with the commodore and Ford with the Falcon is that Ford have confirmed that local production will cease October 2016. I will put my house on it that the same will be the case for Holden and Toyota by year end. Toyota will be last cause they can afford the losses most.

[ebv8]

I read 2017 the new GM world car will be released in Aus and it will be FWD, the new impala is a V6 FWD so probably that.

[82XD393.3v]

they are obligated to make the current vf till 2020 aren't they ??? due to the government hand outs even if the use all that money sponsoring v8 supercar teams

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by 82XD393.3v

they are obligated to make the current vf till 2020 aren't they ??? due to the government hand outs even if the use all that money sponsoring v8 supercar teams

From memory they are obliged to keep local manufacturing until 2020 (or 2022 not sure), what they make/assemble is up to them, hence why no more RWD after the VF.

[82XD393.3v]

well there current model will only need a badge and different rims to be sold as a series 2

[GQ_Smooth]

If it proves a run away success, they would be silly not to keep the current platform and update the styling (although I suspect the decision in Detroit has already been made). If however the large car segment continues to shrink, better they start making something else and keep the production staff employed.

[svo supporter]

Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

If however the large car segment continues to shrink, better they start making something else and keep the production staff employed.

Hummmm...they do...Not a large car though....It's called a Cruze....

[82XD393.3v]

good point

[Papa Smurf]

Who cares about GMH products?

[GQ_Smooth]

Originally Posted by Papa Smurf

Who cares about GMH products?

5000 manufacturing, transport and distribution workers (and their families).

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Papa Smurf

Who cares about GMH products?

I'll put that down to hitting the keyboard before the brain was in gear.....

[Pepscobra]

To answer the original question....... For the sake of local manufacturing and industry, I hope a very long time.

[poppa smurf]

thats all we need more job down the gurgler.......I hope they revitalise Ford and Holden and they both live forever.

cant see it though, I give it 10 years and we will all be driving imports.

[davenl5l]

Originally Posted by poppa smurf

thats all we need more job down the gurgler.......I hope they revitalise Ford and Holden and they both live forever.

cant see it though, I give it 10 years and we will all be driving imports.

not me poppa.old fords never die....CLEVO'S FOREVER