The Death of QANTAS

SteveJH · 29-10-2011, 05:24 PM

QANTAS just anounced that as of immediately they are grounding all International & Domestic domestic flights that are not currently in the air.

QANTAS Link and Jetstar will continue operations.

gtxb67 · 29-10-2011, 05:27 PM

i am not sure what else anyone expected

g220ba · 29-10-2011, 05:29 PM

they've basically taken away the unions biggest bargaining chip.

JG65TE · 29-10-2011, 05:29 PM

thats ok as long as QANTAS keep flying. They lockin workers out of monday too. Or should I say non workers. Good on em, Unions can overstep the mark now and then and i think this is a now.

**SSD-85** · 29-10-2011, 05:32 PM

Well shareholders were unanimous in giving the CEO Alan Joyce a doubling of his pay, up to around 5 million dollars. All whilst telling "bottom end" employees where to stick their pay request.

And the best QANTAS customers can do is complain about their flights being interrupted. And no, I wouldnt complain about it as a customer.

SteveJH · 29-10-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty85

Well shareholders were unanimous in giving the CEO Alan Joyce a doubling of his pay, up to around 5 million dollars. All whilst telling "bottom end" employees where to stick their pay request.

And the best QANTAS customers can do is complain about their flights being interrupted. And no, I wouldnt complain about it as a customer.

Sure, but all these workers have done now is to throw away their jobs. If QANTAS isnt flying, these people don't have jobs.

They should have thought about that.

gtxb67 · 29-10-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Sure, but all these workers have done now is to throw away their jobs. If QANTAS isnt flying, these people don't have jobs.

They should have thought about that.

why, the payout will cover them until next year

**SSD-85** · 29-10-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Sure, but all these workers have done now is to throw away their jobs. If QANTUS isnt flying, these people don't have jobs.

They should have thought about that.

It is interesting though. Whilst its pure speculation to suggest they wouldve lost their jobs eventually anyway, courtesy of cost cutting measures. I think we can safely assume it will happen. If Qantas grounds flights, its only money lost to them.

SteveJH · 29-10-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty85

It is interesting though. Whilst its pure speculation to suggest they wouldve lost their jobs eventually anyway, courtesy of cost cutting measures. I think we can safely assume it will happen. If Qantas grounds flights, its only money lost to them.

Well, the baggage handlers (TWU) wouldn't have lost their jobs, not unless QANTUS stopped operating at their airports completely anyway.

brenx · 30-10-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Sure, but all these workers have done now is to throw away their jobs. If QANTAS isnt flying, these people don't have jobs.

They should have thought about that.

Companies forget without the little people there is no company. The ones at the top loose touch as generally they've never worked at the lower end of the scale.

For the small amount of investment in employee happiness Qantas could have been still functioning without disruption.

burnz · 29-10-2011, 05:35 PM

better than the irish airline with the race tape holding the windscreen in place..
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Rya...132432618.html

jpd80 · 29-10-2011, 05:42 PM

Joyce wont be mucked with and lock outs puts bargaining pressure back on the TWU.

**Silver Ghia** · 29-10-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz (Page 1)

better than the irish airline with the race tape holding the windscreen in place..
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Rya...132432618.html

Quite irrelevant to this thread but just to get the record straight, the windscreen is held in structurally by a row of bolts at quite close pitch around its perimeter. So there are lots of bolts holding it in. The tape (I guess it was aluminium foil 'speed tape') would have been there just to protect sealant that may not have been fully cured, but seems not to have been applied properly if it was coming off. Hi-speed tape sticks like the proverbial when stuck down properly.

Usual media again not knowing anything about what they are talking about.

Jim Goose · 29-10-2011, 05:40 PM

Burn alan joyce.... another CEO who pillages a company votes themselves a $2MILLION payrise and then destroys a company.

Over $5mill per annum..... yes lets all rally behind the CEO.

Bucknaked · 29-10-2011, 05:50 PM

I just had a look at the news and there is no speak of QANTUS grounding flights. But the headline does talk about Qantas.

gtxb67 · 29-10-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I just had a look at the news and there is no speak of QANTUS grounding flights. But the headline does talk about Qantas.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-out-employees

it was just on channel 9 news around 20 minutes ago

pottery beige · 29-10-2011, 05:55 PM

boom tish... take that unions....

**DJR-351** · 29-10-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...-out-employees

it was just on channel 9 news around 20 minutes ago

Yes it's everywhere....

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226180303475

They also announced it at Melbourne airport....where i am sitting at the moment....

davez104 · 29-10-2011, 05:57 PM

It's a lockout, I can't see any mention of people losing their jobs just yet, has that been announced elsewhere? If the workers felt that they were being treated fairly, they wouldn't be striking. Surely QANTAS won't just close the doors over this, it doesn't make any sense at all. It's a battle of wills at this point.

**DJR-351** · 29-10-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by davez104

It's a lockout, I can't see any mention of people losing their jobs just yet, has that been announced elsewhere? If the workers felt that they were being treated fairly, they wouldn't be striking. Surely QANTAS won't just close the doors over this, it doesn't make any sense at all. It's a battle of wills at this point.

No one has lost their job.......................................yet!

davez104 · 29-10-2011, 06:01 PM

That's what I would assume. QANTAS is pushing back the only way they can, lock the workers out and starve them into agreement. Be interesting to see how it pans out.

mondo_broady · 29-10-2011, 06:02 PM

funny how many of you are making anti-union comments. how many of you actually know what their claims are actually about?? qantas are experts at putting out only the info that suits them and their "hearts & minds" campaign to bust the union.

contrary to popular (conservatitve) belief, the unionists involved are NOT about greed and bully boy tactics. the only bullying tactics being used at the moment are by qantas management. anyone who travels qantas on a regular basis should be concerened about the direction qantas management are taking the company.

Jim Goose · 29-10-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mondo_broady

funny how many of you are making anti-union comments. how many of you actually know what their claims are actually about?? qantas are experts at putting out only the info that suits them and their "hearts & minds" campaign to bust the union.

contrary to popular (conservatitve) belief, the unionists involved are NOT about greed and bully boy tactics. the only bullying tactics being used at the moment are by qantas management. anyone who travels qantas on a regular basis should be concerened about the direction qantas management are taking the company.

Thanks you...

Im appalled at some of the sentiments displayed here.
Since when does the average aussie give their support to the CEO of a company who just voted himself a $2MILL payrise just 2 days ago?

Why is it when a strike occurs, people whinge about those nasty unions?

Funny how several threads ran on here about delays and aircraft breaking down constantly. Some posters made comments about Qantas out sourcing maintenance.... seemingly supportive.

Now we have the workers... ALL the Qantas workers in revolt. But hey they dont deserve a pay rise or job sercurity.... but lets not say anything about Alan Joyce voting himself a payrise and continuing to draw a massive pay with no doubt a massive bonus when he leaves after he has destroyed Qantas and sold the remnants of Australias LAST icon to overseas interests.

jpd80 · 29-10-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mondo_broady

funny how many of you are making anti-union comments. how many of you actually know what their claims are actually about?? qantas are experts at putting out only the info that suits them and their "hearts & minds" campaign to bust the union.

contrary to popular (conservatitve) belief, the unionists involved are NOT about greed and bully boy tactics. the only bullying tactics being used at the moment are by qantas management. anyone who travels qantas on a regular basis should be concerened about the direction qantas management are taking the company.

Continuing to threaten action causing the grounding of flights, and then
canceling actions so members can still get paid while QANTAS could not
reinstate planes is driving customers away in droves.

The union is killing QANTAS.

The whole of the Australian traveling public is now very anti union,
these stupid people threatened to slow cook QANTAS, you can't do that...

AMGC63 · 29-10-2011, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Continuing to threaten action causing the grounding of flights, and then
canceling actions so members can still get paid while QANTAS could not
reinstate planes is driving customers away in droves.

The union is killing QANTAS.

The whole of the Australian traveling public is now very anti union,
these stupid people threatened to slow cook QANTAS, you can't do that...

Yes 2 sides to every story.

Bottom line is once you start screwing with the operation and viability of your employer and holding them to ransom you're on a slippery slope to poo.... regardless who's right or wrong.

Surely there are better ways to negatiate than do that to Qantas, and effectively destroy your own members livelyhoods too..

jpd80 · 29-10-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AMGC63

Yes 2 sides to every story.

Bottom line is once you start screwing with the operation and viability of your employer and holding them to ransom you're on a slippery slope to poo.... regardless who's right or wrong.

Surely there are better ways to negatiate than do that to Qantas, and effectively destroy your own members livelyhoods too..

There's a lot of brinkmanship going on here, pilots are ok they can get jobs
anywhere but TWU people have lowish wages and their families suffer.

It's ugly and I hope people start renegotiating ahead of any lock out.......

atec77 · 29-10-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Continuing to threaten action causing the grounding of flights, and then
canceling actions so members can still get paid while QANTAS could not
reinstate planes is driving customers away in droves.

The union is killing QANTAS.

The whole of the Australian traveling public is now very anti union,
these stupid people threatened to slow cook QANTAS, you can't do that...

The ceo and board are killing the company , the ceo should be sacked along with mopst of the board , grant the workers the cpi as most of us get and negotiate a fair deal , friend of mine is a 2nd seat pilot and he retired a month ago rather than accept the crap management were forcing on the minions
The union has not been entirely useful but they did not cause all the trouble
Reinstating job security is a long step to resolution and until that happens this will do nothing but garner a huge fail

JC · 29-10-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Continuing to threaten action causing the grounding of flights, and then
canceling actions so members can still get paid while QANTAS could not
reinstate planes is driving customers away in droves.

The union is killing QANTAS.

The whole of the Australian traveling public is now very anti union,
these stupid people threatened to slow cook QANTAS, you can't do that...

2 sides on a coin.

The fact the CEO just got a $2M payrise - for what?? - who could possibly be worth that kind of money; sorry, but I think that's highly excessive, and then you have to keep in mind, that's a pay rise - no way is someone worth $5M per year as a hired employee. A guy who does it from scratch is different, but then he would be using that kind of money to expand his business. Anyway, back on topic......

ASo, back to the CEO getting a $5M payrise (40%), and the workers who actually help to generate the company's income can't get agreement for what they want....yeh, that's fair. Unions - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

AC · 29-10-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

2 sides on a coin.

The fact the CEO just got a $2M payrise - for what?? - who could possibly be worth that kind of money; sorry, but I think that's highly excessive, and then you have to keep in mind, that's a pay rise - no way is someone worth $5M per year as a hired employee. A guy who does it from scratch is different, but then he would be using that kind of money to expand his business. Anyway, back on topic......

ASo, back to the CEO getting a $5M payrise (40%), and the workers who actually help to generate the company's income can't get agreement for what they want....yeh, that's fair. Unions - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

3rd side of the coin.
How does Qantas's CEOs pay compare to the CEOs of other big int. airlines?

I hate to be the devils advocate, but he maybe under paid in comparison.

And then again, think of our PM, isn't she getting one too, as much as I'm not a fan of Julia, she makes a pitiful bit of coin in comparison as well...

AMGC63 · 29-10-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AC

3rd side of the coin.
How does Qantas's CEOs pay compare to the CEOs of other big int. airlines?

I hate to be the devils advocate, but he maybe under paid in comparison.

And then again, think of our PM, isn't she getting one too, as much as I'm not a fan of Julia, she makes a pitiful bit of coin in comparison as well...

Spot on.