arnt the young fellas today spoilt with what cars are available cheap?

[RAPID_BA]

When I was on my p's, the cars we bought were xf falcons and vl commodotes. With a good set of extractors, intake they might push out 125kw. All the money saved up from part time work went into what I thought at the time were formidable cars.

These days a younfg fella with his 10 grand under his arm can pick up some formidable cars, ls1 calais or ss, au xrs, even a ba 6, wrx or a 200ax.

All would destroy the affordable xf or vl from my era. The generation before me in their kingswoods are probably thinking I was spoilt in the xf

Arnt they spoilt for choice and bang for buck these days? Back in my day you wouldn't even know about that sort of performance.

[SSD-85]

Performance has been made available as it came. There were plenty of cars back then that were quick *for their time*. It just so happens that theyre even quicker now. Merely the progression of time. But as said, fast cars have been & are always available.

[Stazza_Brendan]

May have access to more powerful cars. But the laws now days are a hell of alot more strict.
P plate restrictions, harsher speeding fines, loss of licence, even get your car impounded.

[Brazen]

When I was young 17 or 18 It wasnt uncommon to sit on a 100mph (160kmh) in our crappy Kingswoods and Falcons on retreads on pot-holed bumpy roads. So we had less power, but went faster.

Now its just the other way round. Know what I prefer haha.

[4VCLEVO]

They can even pickup xr6t's for less than 10k now, however these cars lack the style of the cars from the 60's and 70's.

On another note, it's good to see that these newer cars that are aforderble are quite safe, most of them with 4 star crash rateings.

[onfire]

Regardless of power, that's a given.

Today, for the $5k mark you can get such a nice vehicle. Yet more importantly -- more for your dollar.

Today, for $5000 you could pick up a nice straight AUII/I or VX. Probably a completely optioned out EL, VT or high series VS model Commodore with low kms and in mint condition.

When I think back 10 years ago, when I was turning 18. I think the best any one at school did with $5k was an EA Falcon, and most of us had cars from the early 1980s.

[pottery beige]

man we didnt buy poofter cars... we got around in $3k XA GT's.....

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

man we didnt buy poofter cars... we got around in $3k XA GT's.....

At one stage (1981) i had 2 XA GT's and 1 XB GT.......for the grand total of $11k.....

[trippytaka]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

man we didnt buy poofter cars... we got around in $3k XA GT's.....

That's a good point!

I bought an HK Monaro as my first car for $5k - immaculate grandpa spec.

[bangm001]

Yes spoilt for choice. We have some very quick new cars around for bugger all!Hope it continues to last!

[Tonz]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

When I was on my p's, the cars we bought were xf falcons and vl commodotes. All the money saved up from part time work went into what I thought at the time were cars.
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Shoit you were lucky in my day you couldnt do mych with Austin 7's Morris 10's and Ford Pilots..

[Ford_The_Win]

I wouldn't say so, no. Yes technology has advanced and thank god it has, I would hate to be driving around every day in a sloppy old clunker XF. But with the P-plate restrictions, performance cars are pretty much off limits, unless you call a N/A XR6 a performance car...

[2011G6E]

I'd agree 120% with that.

When I was eighteen and wheeling a 1971 Valiant Charger with the 265 hemi and four speed, it had engine work consisiting of a bit of head work, an E49-grind cam, extractors, twin system, manifold and two barrel 500 Holley (also tried a 465 four barrel once with a borrowed four barrel manifold) and it only just scraped in a calculated 270hp at the flywheel after a dyno run.
Coupled with this was abysmal fuel "economy" that meant I was pouring $50+ a week of Super down its throat when petrol was only 36 cents a liter.

Sitting in our driveway is a G6E whose engine puts out 270hp, and yet cruising along the highway it returns down around the 8 liters to the hundred.

Couple that with easy finance and you're on a winner...I recall back in 1984 having to get mum and dad to go gaurantor on a loan for a car...I needed $4000...and I was in steady employment making a decent wage too. Now they throw car loans at people with a moments notice.

Looking back at one of my favorite old car mags, an 82 Motor magazine with a comparison between the XE ESP 351 and a Brock SS Commodore, you see the power figures that the magazine was quivering over...only 160kw for the 351, and 180 for the modified Brock engine. Move ahead to the cars of the late nineties, and you can still see Clubsports driving around proudly proclaiming 195 and 215kw on the back...and they were seen as amazing powerful cars in the day.

Each generation will look back and say the same thing..."you young guys never had it so good!"...

[irish2]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

I'd agree 120% with that.

When I was eighteen and wheeling a 1971 Valiant Charger with the 265 hemi and four speed, it had engine work consisiting of a bit of head work, an E49-grind cam, extractors, twin system, manifold and two barrel 500 Holley (also tried a 465 four barrel once with a borrowed four barrel manifold) and it only just scraped in a calculated 270hp at the flywheel after a dyno run.
Coupled with this was abysmal fuel "economy" that meant I was pouring $50+ a week of Super down its throat when petrol was only 36 cents a liter.

Sitting in our driveway is a G6E whose engine puts out 270hp, and yet cruising along the highway it returns down around the 8 liters to the hundred.

Couple that with easy finance and you're on a winner...I recall back in 1984 having to get mum and dad to go gaurantor on a loan for a car...I needed $4000...and I was in steady employment making a decent wage too. Now they throw car loans at people with a moments notice.

Looking back at one of my favorite old car mags, an 82 Motor magazine with a comparison between the XE ESP 351 and a Brock SS Commodore, you see the power figures that the magazine was quivering over...only 160kw for the 351, and 180 for the modified Brock engine. Move ahead to the cars of the late nineties, and you can still see Clubsports driving around proudly proclaiming 195 and 215kw on the back...and they were seen as amazing powerful cars in the day.

Each generation will look back and say the same thing..."you young guys never had it so good!"...:yelrotflm

Until everyone is driving nissan leafs'.

[buggo]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

The generation before me in their kingswoods are probably thinking I was spoilt in the xf

I think this is the answer right here. Just progression through time.
In a few years, it'll be common place to see FG XR6's And VEII SV6's driving around with p-plates, I've already seen a few.
Cars will keep getting better, and eventually depreciate enough for young guys to afford.

[302 XC]

Gee to be young and rich enuf to afford the new then XF,VLs
I had many an early holden when first driving , HRs,HDs
They went everywhere,even off roading
They wernt the fasted ship out there, but they would never die
Sat on any speed limit all day every day, started everyday,never let me down
Yes nowadays they mite have the luxury of powerfull machines, but they will never have the reliability of the ol holdens
Powerfull cars have always been around, back in the day ,mid early 70s the little 202 torries wernt nothin to sneeze at
Bog stock granpas spec new cars have more power than most 70s,80s factory hotties

[DJM83]

Its called progression.

[xbcool]

yep theres some pretty flash cars out there from the factory .

but ya can't buy street cred ya gotta build it.


ps wifes next ride will probly be an xr6t (geez they go quick) faster than my xb with more comfort

[66FAIRLANE]

Originally Posted by xbcool

but ya can't buy street cred ya gotta build it.

I like this comment the best.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

When I was on my p's, the cars we bought were xf falcons and vl commodotes. With a good set of extractors, intake they might push out 125kw. All the money saved up from part time work went into what I thought at the time were formidable cars.

These days a younfg fella with his 10 grand under his arm can pick up some formidable cars, ls1 calais or ss, au xrs, even a ba 6, wrx or a 200ax.

All would destroy the affordable xf or vl from my era. The generation before me in their kingswoods are probably thinking I was spoilt in the xf

Arnt they spoilt for choice and bang for buck these days? Back in my day you wouldn't even know about that sort of performance.

Huh?
There were plenty of 5.0 Commodores and Toranas around on the Genereals side,
the rest of us were hotting up Falcons from XA through to XD with the venerable 351
unless you were in NSW and had access to a big Block 429/460...

[EDManual]

I had a 1980 corolla, drove it flat out everywhere, sliding revving tilting. Would only do 130-140km/h after a long wind up, but was fun as all the talent of the car(not much) was all used.
Same when had a nice lowered 71 HQ 202 with extractors. Went well, handled better down the twisties (GOR) than mates (standard) XF's and VL's!
Then had an ED, which I drove pretty/very fast also, on the limit a fair bit, sliding etc.
Then Hyundai Accents, which were also completely flat out, especially high speed stuff down country roads and dirt roads in the early 2000's. Not uncommon to be flat out for 5 or 7 hours in a row!(apart from fuel stops!)
I was at one with the cars, even though they werent that great. (all manuals though!)

Now though, the rules are more and more strict! Cant lose my licence, so have lost that 'at one with car' thing I had.

I dont think you could ever become really at one with the latest cars as they are just too fast and handle too well to be able to pull off the most impossible save should it occur. Could do anything with all the other cars I had.

I used to be perfectly happy if say something crossed into my path, Id just fly sideways off the road round whatever and be fine. (maybe a bit confident! haha)

Now would I rather have all the old cars I have had but without the rules and worries of being caught, or a fast car that you can give a squirt every now and then? Much rather having grown up in the corolla and HQ jumping over train tracks down dirt roads than having a new FG XR6T! Strange arent I!?

[redxm]

I learnt to drive in an old mazda 1600 ute. When I got my licence it was mums VL or dads old 4cyl 800cc suzuki ute
Thought I was the Flash in my 250/c4 xb gs fairmont (which ended up with a 302)

[Landau Stable]

i think this is also the reason why we have so much trouble today too. When the older generation was young, they were stupid like any kid. Trouble today is that pov pack falcons and commodores will run rings around nearly all of the best muscle cars of the past. Hence the cars are too overpowered for their skills, hence massive restrictions and govco bleating on about speeding etc. back then then you had to work hard for your performance, and most probably didn't throw it around as lightly as the younger folk do today.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Landau Stable

i think this is also the reason why we have so much trouble today too. When the older generation was young, they were stupid like any kid. Trouble today is that pov pack falcons and commodores will run rings around nearly all of the best muscle cars of the past. Hence the cars are too overpowered for their skills, hence massive restrictions and govco bleating on about speeding etc. back then then you had to work hard for your performance, and most probably didn't throw it around as lightly as the younger folk do today.

Another issue is the freedom of credit and "parental spoiling" of the gen y/z (and yes I am guilty of this too).

When I was a teenager there was no "motor finance wizard" and to get a car loan you needed a substantial deposit and a have held a job (A JOB not 27 casual jobs lasting about 3 days each in between 6 different uncompleted Uni/tafe courses while you ponder whether you want to be a supermodel, CEO or reality TV star 30 seconds out of school) so your car was precious, took you a LONG time to save up for and if you lost/broke it you had to walk for a LONG time until you saved up again.

This is part of the "hoon law" problem, those who make the laws do not quite understand that the threat of losing your car only works if the car has actual value to you. If you got it for free or owe $quillions on it but can just go bankrupt (again) to get rid of the debt because no one cares any more then why worry......

[AussieCJ7]

Originally Posted by Landau Stable

i think this is also the reason why we have so much trouble today too. When the older generation was young, they were stupid like any kid. Trouble today is that pov pack falcons and commodores will run rings around nearly all of the best muscle cars of the past. Hence the cars are too overpowered for their skills, hence massive restrictions and govco bleating on about speeding etc. back then then you had to work hard for your performance, and most probably didn't throw it around as lightly as the younger folk do today.

Dont completely agree with you, recently was lucky enough to do the Ian Luff drive to survive and I started with the same view but after seeing modern and older vehicle in emergency braking and swerve situations the difference is night and day. Yes they accelerate much harder and have more power but between the extra tight controls on P platers and the built in safety features I would much prefer my kids to be in the latest vehicle I can afford for them than the old data 200b I had

[Mr Hardware]

Originally Posted by EDManual

I had a 1980 corolla, drove it flat out everywhere, sliding revving tilting. Would only do 130-140km/h after a long wind up, but was fun as all the talent of the car(not much) was all used.

this is exactly me too!

[Mr Brooksy]

Im actually amazed by how much money people have to spend on their first and (EDIT stupid predictive text) second cars! Sure the value of $$ is different now. But only 15+ years ago my mates and I had no more than $1500 to buy our first cars... I had to borrow most of it and I had a job! Now I see young people getting cars for between $5000 - $10000!

Yep there's a great range with good performance, but the fact they can afford them is amazing.

I wonder what my 5 month old boy will have the means to own with his first car... at this rate... maybe an Aston Martin?!

[Ford_The_Win]

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Now I see young people getting cars for between $5000 - $10000!

Yep there's a great range with good performance, but the fact they can afford them is amazing.

A young person working part time could easily save that over a few months, provided they don't waste it all on alcohol or other useless crap like Playstations. Nothing wrong with spending $5-10k on a first car. You won't get anything half decent for anything less than that. Who wants to drive around in a $1500 unsafe, unreliable and embarrassing piece of junk? Why not save and buy something decent?

I think also, certainly amongst my friends, performance cars and cars in general just aren't an interest for young people these days. I can't think of anyone in my social circle that owns or aspires to own a 'performance' car or even changes their own oil.

[Zaxx]

Flappist, and Brooksy both make good points about money..
But, if you take me for example..
I worked nightshift, every night of school.. for two years, to earn enough to buy my first XR..
I wanted a BA XR.. and I got one.
But didn't mean I didn't have to work for it?

I didn't party on a friday night, like a lot of the other drunk kents.
I didn't wake up too hungover on saturday to work, like the rest of the pathetic trash that got around.
No, I worked, Monday to Friday.. (Night times that is..)
And saturday all day..
Sunday, was then spent catching up on all the studying, schoolwork crap that I missed by working nights.

But hey..
When the ride rocked up on my driveway the day I bought it
Probably the best feeling ever.

It's cops that ruin it, for young people that worked their asses off to get their pride and joy.
It's their restrictions, and their hard/genital headedness that lands a lot of us blokes in hot water.

If we're talking about "Back in the Day!"
I read a lot of comments above talking about how they drove their crappy cars flat stick.. all day.. sliding.. and I even read tilting in there somewhere..

I'm sure a cop's done it..

But nowadays..
If I chirp shifting into second gear.. (Well under the speed limit..)
It's 320 dollars, and 2 points.. for driving a car in a way that makes un-nessecary noise and smoke..

Or!
What about defects?
They'll defect you for having a crack in your indicator..
And by crack? I mean no longer than the width of a ten cent piece..

I'm not meaning to turn this into a cop hatin' rant..
Because, I do enough of that in my own time.
Point being, I reckon they should do something constructive with MY, and YOUR hard earnt tax payer dollars, and put it into getting paedophiles, and thieves, and other scum off our streets.

It'd give us blokes, that work their fingers off, and go without things, a chance to enjoy the cars they've worked for.

/end rant.

[austyphoon]

Originally Posted by HULK_BA

When I was on my p's, the cars we bought were xf falcons and vl commodotes. With a good set of extractors, intake they might push out 125kw. All the money saved up from part time work went into what I thought at the time were formidable cars.

These days a younfg fella with his 10 grand under his arm can pick up some formidable cars, ls1 calais or ss, au xrs, even a ba 6, wrx or a 200ax.

All would destroy the affordable xf or vl from my era. The generation before me in their kingswoods are probably thinking I was spoilt in the xf

Arnt they spoilt for choice and bang for buck these days? Back in my day you wouldn't even know about that sort of performance.

I would probably say it's harder for them then it used to. Most of the cars you just listed are not available to P Platers.