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View Poll Results: Has your zf heat exchanger failed? POST 2012 CARS ONLY | |||
No | 85 | 92.39% | |
Yes - cooling system serviced as per factory, using factory coolant | 6 | 6.52% | |
Yes - cooling system serviced as per factory using different coolant | 0 | 0% | |
Yes - cooling system not serviced | 1 | 1.09% | |
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll |
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05-03-2017, 01:45 PM | #1 | ||
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Given this topic keeps on coming up, with no real facts on how prolific it still is, or if it is at all, i thought i'd start a new poll for later model cars only.
This is for falcons and territories (petrol and diesel) manufactured after 2012 only! this is just a date i plucked out of thin air, but didn't want to exclude too many cars for fear the sample size would be too small and wouldn't provide much of a picture. If you vote, feel free to also update the thread with your car details and also add whether or not the cooling system has been maintained as per factory recommendations. Please DO NOT comment if you DO NOT have a car built after 2012. thanks Last edited by prydey; 05-03-2017 at 01:51 PM. |
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05-03-2017, 02:25 PM | #2 | ||
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So cars built from 01 Jan 2013?
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05-03-2017, 02:31 PM | #3 | ||
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It was just a randomly plucked date. Its not a definitive cut off though, so if you have had a failure on a car built late 2012, then feel free to vote, but also comment to clarify the age of your car.
i kept the voting simple, but if all those who vote could also post a comment with their car details, then that would help to paint a clear picture. |
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05-03-2017, 02:57 PM | #4 | ||
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As stated here...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpos...84&postcount=1 FG MKII XR6. Mine did it at 40101ks and 18 months old. |
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05-03-2017, 05:53 PM | #9 | ||
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Why so specific with the date, when pre 2013 models are exactly the same?
It seems you're trying to narrow the amount of votes to try skew results to 'prove' a lower failure rate, also evident by dismissing PG2's comment. If you want a fair sample then allow anyone with FG+ regardless of build month or year to vote and comment. |
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05-03-2017, 05:41 PM | #10 | ||
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What you should ask, is for those with an FG Mk2 or FGX that have failed, not 'POST 2012'
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05-03-2017, 05:50 PM | #11 | |||
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This wasn't about particular models, but rather trying to establish whether the situation is any different in more recent times. |
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05-03-2017, 05:52 PM | #12 | ||
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Please remove my vote, yes I read it but I am a stupid male and took no notice, my car too early. Sorry.
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05-03-2017, 06:22 PM | #13 | ||
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I'm trying to work out whether the reliability of the heat exchanger bolted to the side of the engine near the starter motor is being determined here, or heat exchangers as a whole.
Territory diesels don't have a heat exchanger like those in the petrol vehicles. Like the V8's, they have the heat exchanger in the radiator. But different radiators I suspect. And they use a different, longer life coolant. So perhaps Diesel Territories and V8's should be excluded from this poll? |
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05-03-2017, 06:29 PM | #14 | ||
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There is another poll like this one still going with 557 votes so far.
"Do you own a ZF equipped Falcon and have you had it Milkshake?" 68 Yes votes to 484 No votes Here..... http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...37#post5891137 |
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05-03-2017, 06:49 PM | #16 | ||
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05-03-2017, 06:57 PM | #18 | |||
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Your trans will eventually wear out and fail, as will your engine, coils, exhaust, and just about every other mechanical part. The problem is premature failure of the heat exchanger means a very expensive ZF repair compared to replacing or fixing the damage caused by other mechanical parts failing in other areas ( not transmission). The point however, has nothing to do with "good engineering" ... Ford was well aware of the OEM heat exchanger failures, and were even recommended a better design by the parent ZF company in Germany. But Ford did not want to spend the extra money per unit on a car with falling sales in the FG - FGX series. |
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05-03-2017, 06:58 PM | #19 | |||
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Well I know that!
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05-03-2017, 06:46 PM | #22 | ||
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How many Milkshake threads does it take to change a heat exchanger?
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05-03-2017, 06:53 PM | #25 | ||
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Milkshakes have been an issue since the BA at least.
Not being a milkshake fan I fitted a radiator with stainless cooler to my BA, and on the BF I removed the heat exchanger and fitted a stand alone transmission cooler. So from 2002 - 2016, 14 years of crappy transmission coolers in Falcons. |
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29-03-2017, 11:46 AM | #26 | ||
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^^ Posting stuff like that on an open Forum suggests it might be the Pot calling the kettle black
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29-03-2017, 05:21 PM | #27 | ||
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Thanks George. From the correspondence you received from ZF (assumed accurately copied), I only read that the cooler temperature is beneficial for extending the service life of the oil, no mention of the transmission life being extended with the lower operating temperatures, that you may have stated in your query to ZF.
And I note that 30oC to 120oC is normal transmission operating temperature based on the warmup and high temperature strategies inherent in the transmission operation, and is perhaps not the optimal operating temperature range as you state. |
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29-03-2017, 07:53 PM | #28 | |||
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You can put your own spin on it if you wish, but I have posted exactly what was stated in our discussion
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Seems you're the one putting spin on it George. |
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29-03-2017, 08:42 PM | #30 | ||
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Havent posted in a while but I had my 2012 G6ET transmission serviced yesterday at 90k. I bought the parts 6 x1L ZF fluid @ $180, genuine Ford upgraded cooler (stamped late 2016) @ $230 and a Ryco trans service kit @ $30. Labour @ $200 from Technical Transmissions in Perth. Great job by them there, they know their stuff.
Old fluid was still pretty golden but the trans shifts like brand new again and more quiet. I'm keeping the car for another 2 years at most so a full external set up isnt justified for me. |
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