Before & After

Teflon Turbo · 18-08-2009, 01:59 PM

Ford, Please!!!

R-Design · 18-08-2009, 02:03 PM

+1

I'd be happy with a Retro 4 door.

P.S. someone is just going to paste in the BF Cobra 302.

Fev · 18-08-2009, 02:18 PM

well it basicly ticks all the same boxes as the XC Cobra - sticker package, Cobra badging more powerful engine, white/blue stripes..

only thing wrong is it has 2 more doors.. Coupe BA falcon would have been awesome

SVTVNM · 18-08-2009, 03:00 PM

I reckon a retro Falcon 4 door based on XR/T shape using mustang style interior would be awesome!! Probably the only shape that could be styled into a realastic retro Falcon

R-Design · 18-08-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SVTVNM

I reckon a retro Falcon 4 door based on XR/T shape using mustang style interior would be awesome!! Probably the only shape that could be styled into a realastic retro Falcon

It's a brilliant concept, and really would fire up a lot of buyers. It builds on Falcon's strength of being a 50 year strong brand with heaps of heritage.

For mine, the best thing about it is that Holden has no answer using the Commodore brand name. Ford has already shown with the Mustang how nostalgia sells.

The FG's a great car but where it falls down is the 'heart' factor. Its styling is too much of a refinement of the BA-F series.

Teflon Turbo · 18-08-2009, 03:20 PM

would also love to see them in x/a/b/c/landau too....

i think holden failed with the modern day monaro (aka 2 door commodore) because it was just that and very weak looking and no similarities between old and new.

all those cars above have similarities between old and new.

this is where FORD in Australia can take advantage.

R-Design · 18-08-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

i think holden failed with the modern day monaro (aka 2 door commodore) because it was just that and very weak looking and no similarities between old and new.

The only reason Monaro saw the light of day was because the VT was such a market success. If Ford had a hit with a retro sedan it would be the coupes best chance for a rebirth.

RG · 18-08-2009, 03:32 PM

Is this spot the difference?

If so;

American

American

American

Australian - Odd one out so not enough monies. Well except for the BF Cobra so it's been done.

Redmund · 18-08-2009, 03:35 PM

I would be first in line if Ford brought out a new 2 door which resembled the classic 2 door lines.

Teflon Turbo · 18-08-2009, 03:36 PM

you party pooper, it's a fantasy of mine ok??

btw, i aint knocking the 4 door cobra.

Road_Warrior · 18-08-2009, 05:28 PM

An FG coupe would look way better.

Stefan · 18-08-2009, 05:37 PM

Lets Face it the Australian market is not big enough for a proper retro venture.

We're lucky we got the BF Cobra but it's not a retro version of anything just a special based on the current model.

Michael_F90 · 18-08-2009, 05:51 PM

I thinks the markets big enough.
How many people here would buy a new falcon coupe ?

especially if it strongly resembled an xa/b/c, much like the new dodge challenger. I for one would be at the dealer tomorrow!

So long as they didn't base it on the FG or BA/BF and they made it retro styled (XA/B/C) they would sell plenty I reckon.

Stefan · 18-08-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael_F90

I thinks the markets big enough.
How many people here would buy a new falcon coupe ?

especially if it strongly resembled an xa/b/c, much like the new dodge challenger. I for one would be at the dealer tomorrow!

So long as they didn't base it on the FG or BA/BF and they made it retro styled (XA/B/C) they would sell plenty I reckon.

How many? I honestly think not many. There is a difference between saying you'll buy one after a few coldies at the pub and actually going out and dropping the better part of $80 to 100K and buying one.

Every big coupe has failed to sell in great numbers why would a falcon coupe not repeat history and fail to sell again.

Zed7fiddy · 18-08-2009, 07:57 PM

They didnt have much trouble selling monaros! even though they were purely a two door commodore, they had nothing to do with being a kingswood

And there is more fanfare for the Falcon Coupes then what there was for the monaros, i cant see why it would be a bad idea

And hell, they could chuck in a smaller motor with it being a smaller car and make it seem good and go the environmental route on it.

SVTVNM · 18-08-2009, 08:59 PM

Unfortunately this great land of ours needs to be populated by five times the amount of people to ever warrant a retro car, but since this thread popped up I can't stop thinking of how hot a retro falcon would look. Would be on my wish list!!!

R-Design · 18-08-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SVTVNM

Unfortunately this great land of ours needs to be populated by five times the amount of people to ever warrant a retro car, but since this thread popped up I can't stop thinking of how hot a retro falcon would look. Would be on my wish list!!!

The way I see it, if they're going to build a 'new generation' Falcon post 2015 they're going to have to replace every panel on the car anyway, what’s the difference if it’s a contemporary or retro style?

The only reason they weren’t adventurous with the FG is because Ford AU got burnt with the AU. All the market research Ford did with BA-F owners confirmed they were happy with the styling of the vehicle so they stayed on the same theme. The only problem with that is in a shrinking market you don’t pick up any new business. Those who liked the BA were always going to like the FG, but those looking for something different have stayed away.

You can’t question the importance of styling with respect to a new model and a firm statement would put Falcon back on the map. I believe this is true above class leading fuel consumption or a 5 star NCAP safety rating. Just ask anyone about the new Camaro or Mustang and they’d tell you they don’t care how it drives, they want, in fact lust after them because they look the business. Hell, a four cylinder Honda Accord Euro looks tougher than an FG. I’d rather Falcon go out in a hail of gunfire draped in muscle rather than with a whimper dressed in a neat cardigan.

SVTVNM · 19-08-2009, 09:01 AM

It would be unlikely the average punter would choose a retro Falcon over it's competitors. There would need to be a solid other option from Ford and I don't rekon the Mondeo is big enough to fill that gap, don't forget the Yanks have about another 3-5 choices from each car maker that is making these Retro rockets.

Bud Bud · 19-08-2009, 10:01 AM

The problem with a retro styled car is, after the novelty wore off, it would date very quickly, think 300 C .

No car maker in Australia (or in the world now) is in a position to update retro styling quick enough to keep it viable.

Bossxr8 · 19-08-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 67-FKD

They didnt have much trouble selling monaros! even though they were purely a two door commodore, they had nothing to do with being a kingswood

Actually the new Monaro didn't sell that well at all. Hence it was dropped and won't return with a VE version.

R-Design · 20-08-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Actually the new Monaro didn't sell that well at all. Hence it was dropped and won't return with a VE version.

I hate to stick up for GM on this one but I disagree. The Monaro dominated the Sports Car segment in Australia, and while that isn't huge numbers I'm pretty sure they were selling double their nearest competitor. The car was exported to the USA and other markets as the GTO. The second generation model (VE - Zeta) has been released as a Camaro in the USA and is selling like hotcakes.

I wonder what Ford AU's world would be like today if GRWD had been adopted. A Falcon based Mustang with Coyote V8 would sure be interesting.

4Vman · 20-08-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I hate to stick up for GM on this one but I disagree. The Monaro dominated the Sports Car segment in Australia, and while that isn't huge numbers I'm pretty sure they were selling double their nearest competitor. The car was exported to the USA and other markets as the GTO. The second generation model (VE - Zeta) has been released as a Camaro in the USA and is selling like hotcakes.

I wonder what Ford AU's world would be like today if GRWD had been adopted. A Falcon based Mustang with Coyote V8 would sure be interesting.

Sorry but it wasnt a success at all either here or in the US, sales numbers werent strong enough to ensure its survival in either country....

R-Design · 20-08-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sorry but it wasnt a success at all either here or in the US, sales numbers werent strong enough to ensure its survival in either country....

I don't think GM have issues with their investment in this Zeta variant (call it Monaro/GTO/Camaro or whatever you'd like).

Without the first Generation GTO there would be no Camaro.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/03/i...second-straig/

Teflon Turbo · 19-08-2009, 12:08 PM

i keep thinking how the original cobras came about and the high demand of all those coupes in general. I mean people are paying 20K for rust infested ones that arent even gts or gs models.

i regret having sold mine, it's a god damn aussie icon, motorsport icon and movie icon.

i reckon it's huge advantage for ford to have over the w427 for example.

one day people, hopefully within our lifetime....

4Vman · 19-08-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

i keep thinking how the original cobras came about and the high demand of all those coupes in general. I mean people are paying 20K for rust infested ones that arent even gts or gs models.

i regret having sold mine, it's a god damn aussie icon, motorsport icon and movie icon.

i reckon it's huge advantage for ford to have over the w427 for example.

one day people, hopefully within our lifetime....

The original Cobras came about from Ford having excess coupe shells sitting around and needed something to move them out...

vztrt · 19-08-2009, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The original Cobras came about from Ford having excess coupe shells sitting around and needed something to move them out...

Even then they struggled, IIRC.

Teflon Turbo · 19-08-2009, 02:34 PM

i should have gone the poll thread...

R-Design · 19-08-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

i should have gone the poll thread...

It doesn't look like anyone's got the stomach for it (Especially not Ford AU).

I'm sure a 'leaked' sketch on the cover of Wheels or Motor Mags would change everyones opinions though.

The commemorative Ford "collect-a-plate" thread is going gang busters though, makes you wonder....

xbgs351 · 19-08-2009, 04:32 PM

All of the 'After' cars are as ugly as a .........

Teflon Turbo · 20-08-2009, 03:06 PM

just curious...

are the modern 4 door cobras considered a success?