What the hell is wrong with the world

[Windsor342ci]

Hi guys,

No doubt this might be a subject touched on before but your thoughts.
I’m only 25 and will comfortably say I don’t have the experience as allot of the members here will in life. But I remember when I was a young lad with Mum and dad, and they say stop it, we stop. For instance, we use to go to family friends house and they were quite obsessed with their furniture and as a result, if I mucked up they'd let me know and for hours on end Id be watching boring SBS shows. At the age of 6 it wasn’t the greatest thing out there. But I knew my place and knew to respect my parents friends and not to destroy there house.

Nowadays it seems so ok to let your kids be absolute brats! I’ve lost count how many times at a shopping centre I see kids from 10 to 18 hanging just causing trouble. Im now to the point where I feel uncomfortable going to the shops as I may react and then be depicted as "the bad guy" due to ramming a few sh!thead kids heads through the wall!

I know I’m above average in the paranoia department and my Mrs. feels the need to remind me on a weekly basis. I understand that if I go to the city on a Saturday night I am going to see idiots that are drunk and high, but it was a choice to put myself in that environment. But now its to the point were I feel uncomfortable at my own local shops because I just might snap.

There are a million examples I can give. A 10 yr old putting a boot into my mum’s car. Me catching kids graffiti my elderly neighbors’ house yet I was depicted by the parents a a predator because I reacted. Teens having a smart *** thing to say when my Mrs. walks to the shops alone....

The list goes on and on and on.....

Please tell me I’m over reacting, or do I have a just reason to feel like crap?! I am beyond over society and its crap it has to offer....

I remember in primary school my Yr 4 teacher taught me, ignore people who annoy you and they will go away... yet for some reason, the older I get, the ratio of normal people to complete D***heads just seems to get worse and worse....

Sorry for the vent....

Whats your experience?

[PHANTMXR6]

Yep. I feel for you mate.

I can relate at my local shopping centre.

I put it down to a lack of discipline. Plain and simple. The world has gone soft.

[Eb5litre]

You are right, its called the Y generation. Surprisingly you fall into that category, but it seems your parents taught you respect from a younger age, which is rare these days.
As far as being paranoid, don't be. If teenagers mouth off at you at the shops they do it to impress each other. When you stand up to them they s@!* themselves. Never think you are the bad guy if you know you are doing the right thing.
If you don't look for trouble when you go out you wont get it, but when you see someone trashing your mum's car, or graffiti on the neighbours house you have every right to act. Use your phone to take photos as well.
Be confident, never let anyone push you around and stand up for yourself. People are scared of speaking up. Most of the times your best weapon is your mouth.

[FgNewbie]

Originally Posted by Eb5litre

You are right, its called the Y generation. Surprisingly you fall into that category, but it seems your parents taught you respect from a younger age, which is rare these days.
As far as being paranoid, don't be. If teenagers mouth off at you at the shops they do it to impress each other. When you stand up to them they s@!* themselves. Never think you are the bad guy if you know you are doing the right thing.
If you don't look for trouble when you go out you wont get it, but when you see someone trashing your mum's car, or graffiti on the neighbours house you have every right to act. Use your phone to take photos as well.
Be confident, never let anyone push you around and stand up for yourself. People are scared of speaking up. Most of the times your best weapon is your mouth.

Eb5litre, I would of agreed with you many years ago. These days I can't. Without getting into nationalities or cultures, there are certain youth that hunt in packs in some areas.

Even if you ignore them, their pack-macho mentality dictates they pick on the weak (ie individuals). Use your phone and expect to have it stolen or smashed.

The good old fashioned one-on-one doesn't exist with these brave packs. Stand up to 1 and you are likely to be surrounded. Beat 1 and expect to be pummelled by the others.

If there are not enough of them, they send one sms and within a very short time their friends and cousins come to the rescue.

I've seen it too often and know too many that take pride in this pack mentality.

I also know of 3 kids (different families) that were sent "home" to another country because they got into too much trouble here. According to one's father, he will probably get locked up if he comes back. (They have no respect for Australia or its laws).

These days I'm very careful about who I stand up to. I don't want to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder or worrying about retribution on my family.

On a different note. I'm also absolutely disgusted by the lack of clothing on some young girls. A female friend made mention only today while sitting in a cafe. A 15(?) yr old girl had so little on, there was too much on display. Also wondered why she wasn't in school.

Good old fashioned values came from a different era for different reasons. Apparently we shouldn't expect the youth of today to identify with them without cause.

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by Eb5litre

You are right, its called the Y generation.

There are two versions of GenY.
You have the 80s version and the 90s version.

The 90s version is very different and appear to be a little more vacuate.

There's a reason why I don't like kids...or people much at that.

The problem is a lot of these so called 'cool guys' are absolute mice on their own. In a group, they act like the biggest tools imaginable. I also feel sorry for a lot of the women who really seem to have self-respect issues...

Fact is that having manners and consideration means nothing it seems.
People that are irresponsible and deny to accept any are the ones that too often are rewarded via the courts.

I wish I could find Petoria...

[FgNewbie]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

... I wish I could find Petoria...

Petoria
A small 4-bedroomed republic founded in 2001AD by Peter Griffin (fat alchoholic)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Petoria

Does it have padded walls to bounce the kids off ?

[MAV50L]

Your not overreacting.
I feel exactly the same as you do.

[dreadin86]

I agree with ya 100% mate...im 24years old, i have had many off the same issues come up that u have just explained! The new generations of kids coming through are a pain in the ***! They dont want to work, let alone work hard....there selfish, all they do is sit home, smoke dope, play xbox n talk ****...and they wonder why there 18 and aint got no money! I should know, i have to deal wit my younger bro n his mates.

I used to enjoy hitting up town every now n again...not anymore! Anytime im wit my miss's theres always trouble! Young loud mouth kids always have to put there 2 cents in when were out, its lucky ive spent the last few years boxing, coz ive lost count how many times **** has gone down when they whistle n spit **** at my miss's. Be so much easier if everyone kept to themselves n realised u dont need to start **** all the friggin time!

I think a couple of the problems caused are that theres too much sex n violence put in the faces of kids under 12... and parents arent able to spend as much time with there kids coz there workin longer hours n need to pay of mortgage...i can only see things going down hill as each generation comes up!

[PHANTMXR6]

Parents need to share some of the blame as well. If they are not teaching their kids the rights and wrongs and letting them get out of hand doing what they like when they like, then they should have something to answer for as well.

Hell, you can't even discipline your kids in public anymore without some whistleblower telling you that you can't do that and it's wrong.

[nstg8a]

i was watching the morning tv today and they were talking about a chinese mum whos very strict on her kids, and they were basically rubbishing her practices saying 'oh,let kids be kids' etc etc. pigs backside i say, young adults are getting worse and worse, and its all down to lack of discipline imo.

[Kryton]

It all started when parents stopped hitting deserving little brats.

[fordv8!]

Originally Posted by davway

It all started when parents stopped hitting deserving little brats.

here here nothing like a good old fashion flogging to bring you back into line

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by davway

It all started when parents stopped hitting deserving little brats.

Yep, there is only so many times you can tell a child No.

[Professor Farnsworth]

You're not over-reacting at all. I work in employment services and believe me, some (basically 70%) of the people aged around 18 i have to 'work with' and put into work would make your skin crawl. Our office is a haven of idiocy and violence.

No, i don't work for centrelink!

p.s. not ALL young people are trouble making fools, just a lot of the ones i have to deal with, who have no ambition to work, help, converse, or contribute to society in any way at all.

[Burnout]

What the hell is wrong with the world?

It's wrong because I'm in it - according to the ex missus that is............

[EF Hoon]

Originally Posted by Burnout

What the hell is wrong with the world?

It's wrong because I'm in it - according to the ex missus that is............

^Lol


Sydneys west and south west is fully populated by them.

[cs123]

Every generation blame the one before it for all the problems of the world and thinks the generation that follows is good for nothing.

Been like that since the ancient days.

[Professor Farnsworth]

Originally Posted by cs123

Every generation blame the one before it for all the problems of the world and thinks the generation that follows is good for nothing.

Been like that since the ancient days.

not at all, parenting has broken down to an all time low and attitude problems are at an all time high.

[LowEL2XR8]

I am a stay at home dad of 3 kids. I know some kids can be brats so I am a responsible parent. My kids do muck around but they got told off and smacked...yes smacked, sometimes hard.
I went to my mates yesterday with the wife and 3 kids. They wanted to jump on the leather lounge. They got told to sit down with their feet off the couch. Then they were asking for drinks they all said please and thankyou because I tell them to, all day every day, and it has sunk in. They then ran up and down the hall way screaming...once. I step in and tell them to calm down. I don't do it in a sugar coat king of way. I tell them so they listen. You may have to raise your voice but I tell you for free asking a child politely in a nice calm tone of voice gets you no where when they are shouting and being hyper.
My kids have manners and will do what they are told when asked...by me.

My only fear is that I will raise them the right way and they may be overlooked or mistreated by kids who may have a mum and dad but not parents and those people won't care that their kid is being a ****.

[JC]

Originally Posted by LowEL2XR8

I am a stay at home dad of 3 kids. I know some kids can be brats so I am a responsible parent. My kids do muck around but they got told off and smacked...yes smacked, sometimes hard.
I went to my mates yesterday with the wife and 3 kids. They wanted to jump on the leather lounge. They got told to sit down with their feet off the couch. Then they were asking for drinks they all said please and thankyou because I tell them to, all day every day, and it has sunk in. They then ran up and down the hall way screaming...once. I step in and tell them to calm down. I don't do it in a sugar coat king of way. I tell them so they listen. You may have to raise your voice but I tell you for free asking a child politely in a nice calm tone of voice gets you no where when they are shouting and being hyper.
My kids have manners and will do what they are told when asked...by me.

My only fear is that I will raise them the right way and they may be overlooked or mistreated by kids who may have a mum and dad but not parents and those people won't care that their kid is being a ****.

Agree with most of this, however, I find that sometimes a quite chat with my 3 (2 x 7yo and 1 x 5yo) can be quite a surprise from the smack or the raised voice - somtimes the quiet voice actually works better and I think it's because they're kind of used to the other so it confuses them.

I am also aware that bringing kids up "right" may actually lead them to be victimised by those who weren't, but at some stage we will be teaching our kids to defend themselves, I guess as the need arises. So far so good though, and the only "bullying" and of them have received is from a girl and they wouldn't hit back because we have taught them not to hit girls (they did tell the teacher, and the girl got into trouble as the school has a strict hands-off policy).

JC

[ST]

We should call this 'The AFF official have a whinge about todays society thread" so we don't have a new one pop up every fortnight.

Before you all get offended and caps lock me this isn't actually directed at anyone, just a suggestion to keep in mind.

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by ST

We should call this 'The AFF official have a whinge about todays society thread" so we don't have a new one pop up every fortnight.

Before you all get offended and caps lock me this isn't actually directed at anyone, just a suggestion to keep in mind.

I know Ive commented in this thread already, but I agree. Being reminded about how much life can suck too much is not healthy.

[LowEL2XR8]

Originally Posted by JC

Agree with most of this, however, I find that sometimes a quite chat with my 3 (2 x 7yo and 1 x 5yo) can be quite a surprise from the smack or the raised voice - somtimes the quiet voice actually works better and I think it's because they're kind of used to the other so it confuses them.

I am also aware that bringing kids up "right" may actually lead them to be victimised by those who weren't, but at some stage we will be teaching our kids to defend themselves, I guess as the need arises. So far so good though, and the only "bullying" and of them have received is from a girl and they wouldn't hit back because we have taught them not to hit girls (they did tell the teacher, and the girl got into trouble as the school has a strict hands-off policy).

JC

Yes I agree with you. Occasionally I do the group gathering and talk to them in a quiet voice; explaining to them what they have done and to not do it again. I do this at home and friends houses where they are contained. If its in a park or shops where they run off or its urgent for them to behave before they hurt themselves or break something then they get a smack.
But yes your right.
I talked quietly to my boy last night when he threw his hotwheels cars over the back fence. Mine are 1x 3yo and 2 x 2yo.
As time goes by the need to tell them off and smack them is less because they begin to get the point.

[Barry_v]

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in lace of
exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

[atec77]

Originally Posted by ELIIXR8

Hi guys,

No doubt this might be a subject touched on before but your thoughts.
I’m only 25 and will comfortably say I don’t have the experience as allot of the members here will in life. But I remember when I was a young lad with Mum and dad, and they say stop it, we stop. For instance, we use to go to family friends house and they were quite obsessed with their furniture and as a result, if I mucked up they'd let me know and for hours on end Id be watching boring SBS shows. At the age of 6 it wasn’t the greatest thing out there. But I knew my place and knew to respect my parents friends and not to destroy there house.

Nowadays it seems so ok to let your kids be absolute brats! I’ve lost count how many times at a shopping centre I see kids from 10 to 18 hanging just causing trouble. Im now to the point where I feel uncomfortable going to the shops as I may react and then be depicted as "the bad guy" due to ramming a few sh!thead kids heads through the wall!

I know I’m above average in the paranoia department and my Mrs. feels the need to remind me on a weekly basis. I understand that if I go to the city on a Saturday night I am going to see idiots that are drunk and high, but it was a choice to put myself in that environment. But now its to the point were I feel uncomfortable at my own local shops because I just might snap.

There are a million examples I can give. A 10 yr old putting a boot into my mum’s car. Me catching kids graffiti my elderly neighbors’ house yet I was depicted by the parents a a predator because I reacted. Teens having a smart *** thing to say when my Mrs. walks to the shops alone....

The list goes on and on and on.....

Please tell me I’m over reacting, or do I have a just reason to feel like crap?! I am beyond over society and its crap it has to offer....

I remember in primary school my Yr 4 teacher taught me, ignore people who annoy you and they will go away... yet for some reason, the older I get, the ratio of normal people to complete D***heads just seems to get worse and worse....

Sorry for the vent....

Whats your experience?

It's a basic tennant of life that we blame others and don't listen although this can imprve when ageing as you are discovering
Mine ( family) know two ears one mouth to be used in that ration , your observations are correct the ratio of have a clue to idiots is at an all time high (imho)
Parents are now failing to instal the most basic morals and behavior as evidenced by the recent looting and theft around during the storms but on the other hand a lot did help whilst it was going on so there are a lot of decent people also
I remember when I was a youngster in the 50's the local bad boy was a problem until several local parents took care of the matter although the result of that these days would be quite different
As for the answer I don't have them although me and mine try to do the right thing and thas all you can do really ?

[Riksta]

As Denis Leary once said, I'm glad my parents beat the **** out of me, and I'm looking forward to beating the **** out of my own kids!

And he also said (for those who are too soft to hit their kids) - you don't have to hit them, waving the gun around generally gets the same job done!

Seriously, the amount of kitchen utensils that met my behind when I was a kid was uncountable. But it made me learn (the hard way) right and wrong. A stern "don't do that again" really works well, so much punishment and deterrent there. Hit the little gobshyte and teach it a real lesson!

[Auturbo6]

What comes around goes around, mate, karma will take care of everything!!!

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Professor Farnsworth

not at all, parenting has broken down to an all time low and attitude problems are at an all time high.

Yup, been like that for thousands of years.

Here is a quote Plato attributed to Socrates.

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannise their teachers.

and another attributed to Heisod

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words... When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise [disrespectful] and impatient of restraint

Like I said, each generation thinks the one that follows is disrespectful and lazy, and generally the one before it has caused all our problems. You can find thousands of examples going back in history of people saying the exact same things as is being said in this thread.

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by cs123

Yup, been like that for thousands of years.

Here is a quote Plato attributed to Socrates.



and another attributed to Heisod



Like I said, each generation thinks the one that follows is disrespectful and lazy, and generally the one before it has caused all our problems. You can find thousands of examples going back in history of people saying the exact same things as is being said in this thread.

Except back then, the world was a little bigger & they had wars to correct it.

[Jim Goose]

Nope your not alone and not over-reacting.
Unfortunately a lot of people no longer have any shame or care about what people say.
In the "good old days" everyone knew their neighbours etc... if so and so's kids played up in the neighbourhood they were told off and then their parents would be told.
The parents would then throttle the kids and thank you for pulling their kid into line.
Try and do that today and you get the parents telling you where to go or much worse!

Late last year I had a conversation with the boyfriend of an old family friend, he is around 25yrs old and asked me (older wiser?) " when did we loose our balls?" He was so fed up with the stupidty shown by the younger generation who simply didnt care....
In my mind i said to myself, well guys like him are a rarity! We have some hope!