Holden Concept Car For SMS 2005 Is..

CSV_LS1 · 07-10-2005, 02:02 AM

Thought you guys might want to know what ford will be up against at the SMS

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I was told that the concept car that Holden will unveil next week at the Sydney Motor Show will be a retro car, with 20" wheels and a certain 500hp latest tech engine shoved in and drivetrain :evil3:
Not sure if i should say what model exactly as it might ruin the surprise

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K_Man · 07-10-2005, 02:11 AM

Well come on then? Cant make a post like that and keep quiet.

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XRated · 07-10-2005, 02:21 AM

It's still a surprise regardless of when we know! SO shoot :P

Fab · 07-10-2005, 04:56 AM

It's an FJ.

Pearly · 07-10-2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

Thought you guys might want to know what ford will be up against at the SMS

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I was told that the concept car that Holden will unveil next week at the Sydney Motor Show will be a retro car, with 20" wheels and a certain 500hp latest tech engine shoved in and drivetrain :evil3:
Not sure if i should say what model exactly as it might ruin the surprise

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Is it long wheel base??

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 09:08 AM

IMO i reakon concept cars are way over rated, i ignore them at Motor Shows, they're a waste of time.
I prefer to look at what's around forsale now, not fantasise over what will probably never happen!
I can appreciate the effort that goes into design as an art form but really they're only there to drag people onto the stand to sell them on the current range.

pauljh74 · 07-10-2005, 09:10 AM

Perhaps by those hints a last gasp special Monaro with extra grunt

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 09:12 AM

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Perhaps by those hints a last gasp special Monaro with extra grunt

Monaro is dead...... They're not going to flog a dead horse.

MITCHAY · 07-10-2005, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

IMO i reakon concept cars are way over rated, i ignore them at Motor Shows, they're a waste of time.

I dont know but I reckon concepts are a good thing. Some can be over the top but It shows the company is thinking of new things and being creative.

MrSparkle · 07-10-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

IMO i reakon concept cars are way over rated, i ignore them at Motor Shows, they're a waste of time.
I prefer to look at what's around forsale now, not fantasise over what will probably never happen!

In an unusual twist, I beg to differ! :1syellow1 How about the "Batmobile" from Maybach then? Not interested?

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I can appreciate the effort that goes into design as an art form but really they're only there to drag people onto the stand to sell them on the current range.

Of course! Motor shows are about two things - excitement and information. Without the excitement you may as well spend a day (for FREE I might add) simply strolling around your local dealerships, rather than paying $18 for the privilege. If a manufacturer isn't showcasing an unreleased upcoming model or displaying a concept, then what in the hell have they got to offer for everyone that's not actively considering their cars? The most boring motor show I have been to had only one concept on show (out of all the manufacturers present!), nearly no exotic marques, and had far more mainstream manufacturers. The Suzuki stand, for example, was bulging that year - and didn't that really get my blood pumping! Six varieties of Swift to look at! Automotive heaven! :party3:

Things are different, of course, if a manufacturer is actually building and selling an exciting car, like the new Aston V8 Vantage (which will be shown at SMS). If the manufacturer is less exotic and more mainstream, it is up to them to draw a crowd, since for most of them, their entire model range simply isn't worth paying to see. Cue the concept car to "drag people to their stand". Unless you were in the market for one of their models, why would you even waste time at their stand if there was nothing of interest there? Also, let's not forget that these concepts also often serve a dual purpose, to show future styling cues. Many European and Japanese manufacturers have done this in recent times, as toe-in-the-water exercises to get feedback on their design directions. It's a bit hard to do that with "current production" models only isn't it?

Oh and it is confirmed that the Holden one will be a "modernised" FJ:
http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/st...E21822,00.html

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSparkle

In an unusual twist, I beg to differ! :1syellow1 How about the "Batmobile" from Maybach then? Not interested?

Of course! Motor shows are about two things - excitement and information. Without the excitement you may as well spend a day (for FREE I might add) simply strolling around your local dealerships, rather than paying $18 for the privilege. If a manufacturer isn't showcasing an unreleased upcoming model or displaying a concept, then what in the hell have they got to offer for everyone that's not actively considering their cars? The most boring motor show I have been to had only one concept on show (out of all the manufacturers present!), nearly no exotic marques, and had far more mainstream manufacturers. The Suzuki stand, for example, was bulging that year - and didn't that really get my blood pumping! Six varieties of Swift to look at! Automotive heaven! :party3:

Things are different, of course, if a manufacturer is actually building and selling an exciting car, like the new Aston V8 Vantage (which will be shown at SMS). If the manufacturer is less exotic and more mainstream, it is up to them to draw a crowd, since for most of them, their entire model range simply isn't worth paying to see. Cue the concept car to "drag people to their stand". Unless you were in the market for one of their models, why would you even waste time at their stand if there was nothing of interest there? Also, let's not forget that these concepts also often serve a dual purpose, to show future styling cues. Many European and Japanese manufacturers have done this in recent times, as toe-in-the-water exercises to get feedback on their design directions. It's a bit hard to do that with "current production" models only isn't it?

Oh and it is confirmed that the Holden one will be a "modernised" FJ:
http://carsguide.news.com.au/news/st...E21822,00.html

Oh i can apreciate how and why concept vehicles exist, and they do allow car manufaturers to be creative and float new concepts and gauge public reaction, and some might be "interesting" to look at but most people who attend motorshows do so because they're considering a new purchase and use the Show as a convenient forum to compare models in close proximity of each other.
You are right though, most motorshows are boring regardless of concept cars or not because you can save $18 bucks and do the leg work yourself!
The only time id bother attending a motorshow is to compare models or see a significant new product release that might be a consideration for purchase, however the car will be in the dealer sooner or later anyway...
Dreaming or window shopping don't really interest me that much.
Ive been to the Motorshow tonnes of times but i can't remember the last time i went and actually thought wow i got value for money!!

kooky · 07-10-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

IMO i reakon concept cars are way over rated, i ignore them at Motor Shows, they're a waste of time.
I prefer to look at what's around forsale now, not fantasise over what will probably never happen!
I can appreciate the effort that goes into design as an art form but really they're only there to drag people onto the stand to sell them on the current range.

que stage right Mr Wet Blanket.......... DAMN man why so negative all the time? get some more fibre into you diet

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 10:56 AM

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que stage right Mr Wet Blanket.......... DAMN man why so negative all the time? get some more fibre into you diet

Negative???

: im one of the more "Pro" positive people here! Im normally trying to see the positive side of Ford products, unlike a few others who love to slag them at every opportunity.

Teki04 · 07-10-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

IMO i reakon concept cars are way over rated, i ignore them at Motor Shows, they're a waste of time.
I prefer to look at what's around forsale now, not fantasise over what will probably never happen!
I can appreciate the effort that goes into design as an art form but really they're only there to drag people onto the stand to sell them on the current range.

What a contradiction! First you say its a waste of time.... then you say its got a purpose to drag people to their stand. EXACTLY their point. Get the media on them, and promote their name. It is all part of marketing... getting their image and branding right, and looking at ideas they can use for the future.

Ford should learn something from Holden. Unless Ford surprise us with a Focus ST or something of the like, i dont see the Ford stand being too appealing, apart from a new GT. Honestly, why cant they make one off concept cars? Holden had the Monaro Convertible, Torana, Sandman, SSX, Elfins... all great concept cars that got the attention to their stand!

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Well, I gave it some thought... concepts don't just happen for no reason. Maybe Holden is testing the water with this concept? Maybe it's just a way to woo the crowd away from other displays?

Yep, the new BF Falcon and the Mitsubishi 380...

Bossxr8 · 07-10-2005, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Teki04

Ford should learn something from Holden. Unless Ford surprise us with a Focus ST or something of the like, i dont see the Ford stand being too appealing, apart from a new GT. Honestly, why cant they make one off concept cars? Holden had the Monaro Convertible, Torana, Sandman, SSX, Elfins... all great concept cars that got the attention to their stand!

Ever heard of the Predator, Xplod XR8, R5, R7 etc.

And yes the Focus ST will be on the Ford stand.

Teki04 · 07-10-2005, 10:34 PM

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Ever heard of the Predator, Xplod XR8, R5, R7 etc.

And yes the Focus ST will be on the Ford stand.

Were they out there and unique?

Yea, holden had the CrossX8 too.... Maybe Holden is just better at concepts?

Fiesta ST was on the stand last year... did nothing for Ford.... If this year is the same, the people working there will know NOTHING about the Focus ST.

MITCHAY · 07-10-2005, 10:54 PM

This thread is proof enough that people are interested. They havent even shown anything yet. Getting people talking about it is half way there.

paul7v7 · 07-10-2005, 09:31 AM

it might be the yellow chev concept ute thing that looks like a retro FJ

3Toed · 07-10-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CSV_LS1

latest tech engine shoved in

So it won't have an LS1/LS2/LS6/LSwhatever in it then?

XR Davo · 07-10-2005, 10:12 AM

Speaking of retro, I'm hoping Ford display a top spec 05 Mustang. That would spice things up a bit.

WASP · 07-10-2005, 10:52 AM

FJ?? I never liked that model, but then again at least their doing something fun to keep the interest. Admittedly I fine the most exciting concepts are the one's that we're lead to believe may become reality like previous examples Holden have shown. Knowing it will 'never' get off the ground actually spoils it for me :(

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CDAA

FJ?? I never liked that model, but then again at least their doing something fun to keep the interest. Admittedly I fine the most exciting concepts are the one's that we're lead to believe may become reality like previous examples Holden have shown. Knowing it will 'never' get off the ground actually spoils it for me :(

Exactly my point, im excited by opportunity, not fantasy, unless there's a damn good chance it will make it onto a showroom floor in the next 12-24 months im not really interested.
Those cars are the ones that i see as worthwhile concepts.

SSbaby · 07-10-2005, 11:37 AM

I wonder if the FJ will be Holden's version of the Chevrolet SSR?

EDIT: Just read the article... it's only a show pony and will not be slated for production. :(

parawolf · 07-10-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SSbaby

I wonder if the FJ will be Holden's version of the Chevrolet SSR?

EDIT: Just read the article... it's only a show pony and will not be slated for production. :(

Damn... the Chev SSR is one hot ute. I'd entertain buying one!

**Mechan1k** · 07-10-2005, 01:55 PM

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Damn... the Chev SSR is one hot ute. I'd entertain buying one!

Have seen a yellow Chev SSR ute driving around Canberra when I was down there a few months back ... I didn't know what it was till I saw a pic of it ... they are pretty damn cool

WASP · 07-10-2005, 12:11 PM

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Exactly my point, im excited by opportunity, not fantasy, unless there's a damn good chance it will make it onto a showroom floor in the next 12-24 months im not really interested.
Those cars are the ones that i see as worthwhile concepts.

Then why didn't you just say so you sad negative bastard!!

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(joking)

4Vman · 07-10-2005, 01:28 PM

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Then why didn't you just say so you sad negative bastard!!

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(joking)

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JPFS1 · 07-10-2005, 12:15 PM

Holden really are in trouble if this is what they are coming up with... much like Ford's previous efforts (nothing to get really excited about).

But like 4Vman, i'd much rather see a concept that lends itself to where we're headed in the future, rather than a rehash of a rust bucket that never has an intention of actually being anything.

I hope Holden have some VE goodies up their sleeve, because i doubt this will draw a croud of substantial numbers.

SSbaby · 07-10-2005, 12:30 PM

Well, I gave it some thought... concepts don't just happen for no reason. Maybe Holden is testing the water with this concept? Maybe it's just a way to woo the crowd away from other displays?

WASP · 07-10-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SSbaby

Well, I gave it some thought... concepts don't just happen for no reason. Maybe Holden is testing the water with this concept? Maybe it's just a way to woo the crowd away from other displays?

It's most definitely a ploy to get attention, especially if they are not ready to show any VE models as yet. The article said that some VE clues will be featured on the car so I guess that's the 'interest' point and the FJ body is the distracting fun part. They also said the car was built on a Commodore platform so maybe that's the new Zeta platform demonstrating it's versatility.