Opinions on daylight saving?

zdcol71 · 05-10-2010, 10:24 AM

As the title suggests.
I for one, don't understand Queenslands' ongoing fear of it.

Trevor 57 · 05-10-2010, 10:31 AM

Absolutely love it.

It just goes to show that Qlders are a bit backward OMHO!

DBourne · 05-10-2010, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

Absolutely love it.

It just goes to show that Qlders are a bit backward OMHO!

This ^

GT0132 · 05-10-2010, 10:32 AM

It's good once you get over the initial darker mornings and difficulty getting out of bed - that passes after a week or so.

Nothing like lighter nights in summer..especially in the southern states or NZ where it doesn't get dark till 9 or 10pm

I understand there is an overwhelming majority in SE Qld for daylight saving , but not so popular in the northern and central parts of the state

rst2000 · 05-10-2010, 10:38 AM

love it.....

**Polyal** · 05-10-2010, 10:45 AM

Yeah its great, something to look forward to when summer comes around.

HLC · 05-10-2010, 10:48 AM

I love it. Was great in Sydney.

But now in WA where they don't have it, it SUCkS. Waste of time having the sun rise so early. Can't stand it.

**cs123** · 05-10-2010, 10:48 AM

I live in QLD but spend most of my work time in Sydney/Melbourne. From my experience it doesn't make a huge difference from a lifestyle perspective. If you want the extra hour at the end of the day, then start an hour earlier at work. Most people (office jobs) I work with in Sydney/Melbourne start at 9am, most QLD'ers start at 8am anyway.

blueoval · 05-10-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

I live in QLD but spend most of my work time in Sydney/Melbourne. From my experience it doesn't make a huge difference from a lifestyle perspective. If you want the extra hour at the end of the day, then start an hour earlier at work. Most people (office jobs) I work with in Sydney/Melbourne start at 9am, most QLD'ers start at 8am anyway.

Im with you. DLS is crap imo. I like my sleep. If I want an extra hour in the day, I'll get up earlier. I shouldn't have to be forced to. It should be a choice.

DJL351 · 05-10-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Im with you. DLS is crap imo. I like my sleep. If I want an extra hour in the day, I'll get up earlier. I shouldn't have to be forced to. It should be a choice.

How does it impact your sleep? (other than the first day/night the clocks are changed)
If you sleep 8 hours a night, you can still sleep 8 hours during DLS too... ?????
(seriously, I have friends that have said this to me and I do not understand how it has an effect)

Another ploy used over here - if you want extra daylight, just get up earlier.
Great idea, if someone can get my employer to move their core hours to allow me to do that, then I will. However, it would have a knock on effect for all state schools in the state.

blueoval · 05-10-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

How does it impact your sleep? (other than the first day/night the clocks are changed)
If you sleep 8 hours a night, you can still sleep 8 hours during DLS too... ?????
(seriously, I have friends that have said this to me and I do not understand how it has an effect)

Another ploy used over here - if you want extra daylight, just get up earlier.
Great idea, if someone can get my employer to move their core hours to allow me to do that, then I will. However, it would have a knock on effect for all state schools in the state.

Its more of a psychological thing for me. I see the logic in what you say and it does work, but for me, in my mind, if I don't need to wake up earlier regardless of what the REAL time is, then why should I?

castellan · 05-10-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

As the title suggests.
I for one, don't understand Queenslands' ongoing fear of it.

It's not the fear of it, it's the stupidity of having it up hear. this is Gods own country up hear so why change the time, we don't need to.

If someone wants to start work earlier you maybe able to organize how to do so.

Trevor 57 · 05-10-2010, 11:33 AM

I was talking to a guy from Brisbane who works/manages in the building industry, he reckons it is no good coz you will have to pay the people overtime and that the workers will get too hot - go figure - FFS.

My mate and I tried to convince him otherwise, but he just wouldn't have it.

I honestly believe that most Qlders don't get it.

irlewy86 · 05-10-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

I was talking to a guy from Brisbane who works/manages in the building industry, he reckons it is no good coz you will have to pay the people overtime and that the workers will get too hot - go figure - FFS.

My mate and I tried to convince him otherwise, but he just wouldn't have it.

I honestly believe that most Qlders don't get it.

I love daylight savings, I get out of bed an hour earlier and go for a ride before work. Unlike you Mexicans who need to fiddle with the clocks to get up earlier.

GTJOHN · 05-10-2010, 11:45 AM

LOVE IT... should be longer...
I love going home and having some day to still do stuff

KYSBF · 05-10-2010, 11:56 AM

Most QLDs have probably had no real experience with it maybe....
I spent 6 years in Melbourne and loved it, would have it here in a moment. Another factor could be the that while it maybe good for the coastal areas, not so sure out west.

Jason[98.EL] · 05-10-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GTJOHN

LOVE IT... should be longer...
I love going home and having some day to still do stuff

thats the part i like

when i am able i work arvo shift ( 3 -4 hrs a night ) and it is great to get home when the sun is still out

Jason

flappist · 05-10-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

As the title suggests.
I for one, don't understand Queenslands' ongoing fear of it.

That is because you live in Brisbane.

The world is round and the coast of QLD slopes west.

The closer you get to the equator the less effect the seasons have as the thickness of the atmosphere (as in angle and therefore distance travelled) changes very little.

There is little, if any, twilight north of a couple of hundred km south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Due to the shape of Australia (look on a globe not a flat map as the projecton model distortion increases the further you are from the equator e.g. Greenland is only 400km wide but looks bigger than Australia) sunrise and sunset are at very different times to the southern areas.
The further north you go the later the sunrise/sunset. Mt Isa is only about 100km east of Adelaide.

So while the city office dwellers and southerners in general love the idea of cool afternoons and long twilights sipping chardonay and pontificating on life, the universe and everything up in the north it is just stinking hot for what appears to be even longer.

Conversley moving the time zones in winter would be better for the northeners as it is cooler and less monsoonal then.

To settle the arguement, why don't we just move the time zone forward 1 hr permanently?

You can have your twilights in summer while we swelter in the stinking heat and monsoons and we can have cool evenings in winter while you freeze your bums off in the dark.........

Trevor 57 · 05-10-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

That is because you live in Brisbane.

The world is round and the coast of QLD slopes west.

The closer you get to the equator the less effect the seasons have as the thickness of the atmosphere (as in angle and therefore distance travelled) changes very little.

There is little, if any, twilight north of a couple of hundred km south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Due to the shape of Australia (look on a globe not a flat map as the projecton model distortion increases the further you are from the equator e.g. Greenland is only 400km wide but looks bigger than Australia) sunrise and sunset are at very different times to the southern areas.
The further north you go the later the sunrise/sunset. Mt Isa is only about 100km east of Adelaide.

So while the city office dwellers and southerners in general love the idea of cool afternoons and long twilights sipping chardonay and pontificating on life, the universe and everything up in the north it is just stinking hot for what appears to be even longer.

Conversley moving the time zones in winter would be better for the northeners as it is cooler and less monsoonal then.

To settle the arguement, why don't we just move the time zone forward 1 hr permanently?

You can have your twilights in summer while we swelter in the stinking heat and monsoons and we can have cool evenings in winter while you freeze your bums off in the dark.........

I was in McKay a few years ago over summer, and for the life of me I could not understand why you lay around at 5.00 in the morning with the temp high and the humidity high, why not get out of bed and go to work early and knock off that 1 hour earlier, you are proving you don't get it.

flappist · 05-10-2010, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Trev

I was in McKay a few years ago over summer, and for the life of me I could not understand why you lay around at 5.00 in the morning with the temp high and the humidity high, why not get out of bed and go to work early and knock off that 1 hour earlier, you are proving you don't get it.

Would that be somewhere near Mackay?

I have explained the physics of the problem.

If you investigate daylight saving world wide you will find that it is common above the Tropic of Cancer and below the Tropic of Capricorn but quite rare close to or in the tropical zone.

So either the whole rest of the world does not get it or you don't get it.....

DJL351 · 05-10-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

That is because you live in Brisbane.

The world is round and the coast of QLD slopes west.

The closer you get to the equator the less effect the seasons have as the thickness of the atmosphere (as in angle and therefore distance travelled) changes very little.

There is little, if any, twilight north of a couple of hundred km south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Due to the shape of Australia (look on a globe not a flat map as the projecton model distortion increases the further you are from the equator e.g. Greenland is only 400km wide but looks bigger than Australia) sunrise and sunset are at very different times to the southern areas.
The further north you go the later the sunrise/sunset. Mt Isa is only about 100km east of Adelaide.

So while the city office dwellers and southerners in general love the idea of cool afternoons and long twilights sipping chardonay and pontificating on life, the universe and everything up in the north it is just stinking hot for what appears to be even longer.

Conversley moving the time zones in winter would be better for the northeners as it is cooler and less monsoonal then.

To settle the arguement, why don't we just move the time zone forward 1 hr permanently?

You can have your twilights in summer while we swelter in the stinking heat and monsoons and we can have cool evenings in winter while you freeze your bums off in the dark.........

This is the line I like. "Appears"
DLS has failed in WA again because so many people argue that it is hotter during DLS. I love all the BS that people come out with.

"I'm a farmer - I get up with the sun and stop when its dark. DLS means that I have to work longer hours and my cows will all stop breathing and the sheep will start climbing trees".

The subject has been rasied over here again, and will for a long time to come.

(oh yeah, in case you can not tell - I like DLS)

flappist · 05-10-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

This is the line I like. "Appears"
DLS has failed in WA again because so many people argue that it is hotter during DLS. I love all the BS that people come out with.

"I'm a farmer - I get up with the sun and stop when its dark. DLS means that I have to work longer hours and my cows will all stop breathing and the sheep will start climbing trees".

The subject has been rasied over here again, and will for a long time to come.

(oh yeah, in case you can not tell - I like DLS)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

What do all the blue bits have in common?

Why should WE have to change our ways and inconvenience ourselves just so YOU can have some leasure time and you seem to find it difficult to work out what time to make interstate phone calls?

None of you seem to like my winter time zone change. It would be great for us and I do not care if you freeze to death or have to drive around in the dark just like you do not care about us.......

irlewy86 · 05-10-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

None of you seem to like my winter time zone change. It would be great for us and I do not care if you freeze to death or have to drive around in the dark just like you do not care about us.......

I like it.

DJL351 · 05-10-2010, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

What do all the blue bits have in common?

Their proximity to their relevant poles. I understand and agree with your orginal point(s) to a degree. I was not trying to disprove your logic.

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Originally Posted by flappist

Why should WE have to change our ways and inconvenience ourselves just so YOU can have some leasure time and you seem to find it difficult to work out what time to make interstate phone calls?

Ah yes - that old chestnut. Why should any of us doing anything that may assist/help others.... the modern attitude. Why should I work 40+ hours a week and barely afford to live when there are people out there living on welfare etc.
(a totally different discussion that will see this thread closed - so I will say no more on that tangent)

In WA, most people are aginst DLS for the simple fact that most of the East coast use it.
"Why should WA change just for the sake of the East" they say - I couldn't give a toss what the other side of the country are doing.

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Originally Posted by flappist

None of you seem to like my winter time zone change. It would be great for us and I do not care if you freeze to death or have to drive around in the dark just like you do not care about us.......

Changing time zones in winter would have no effect on me.
Its pitch black when I get up, go to work and still is when I get home, so it would not matter.

zdcol71 · 05-10-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

That is because you live in Brisbane.

The world is round and the coast of QLD slopes west.

The closer you get to the equator the less effect the seasons have as the thickness of the atmosphere (as in angle and therefore distance travelled) changes very little.

There is little, if any, twilight north of a couple of hundred km south of the Tropic of Capricorn.

Due to the shape of Australia (look on a globe not a flat map as the projecton model distortion increases the further you are from the equator e.g. Greenland is only 400km wide but looks bigger than Australia) sunrise and sunset are at very different times to the southern areas.
The further north you go the later the sunrise/sunset. Mt Isa is only about 100km east of Adelaide.

So while the city office dwellers and southerners in general love the idea of cool afternoons and long twilights sipping chardonay and pontificating on life, the universe and everything up in the north it is just stinking hot for what appears to be even longer.

Conversley moving the time zones in winter would be better for the northeners as it is cooler and less monsoonal then.

To settle the arguement, why don't we just move the time zone forward 1 hr permanently?

You can have your twilights in summer while we swelter in the stinking heat and monsoons and we can have cool evenings in winter while you freeze your bums off in the dark.........

Thanks for the geography lesson ,flappist, here's me thinking I'd actually learnt something in 16 years of education.

I'm not sure the debate around daylight savings in Queensland ever really intended to reference Adelaide, certainly not Greenland.
Just to show I am not averse to all your argument, I am inclined to agree with you in regards to shifting the time zone forward, and lock it in for all EST .
(If you like, daylight savings all year)
Not sure how many time zones there are across Nth America, I think there are 7 or 8 wheras we have three (not to be accused of referencing other countries but maybe a little more relevant to the debate) so yes ,you are right, longditude time zones are probably more relevant than lattitude time zones.
In terms of time spent in twilight hours ,as at today, Brisbane , Cairns, and Mt Isa have a disparity of a massive 3 minutes.
You are right, I do live in Brisbane, and I am sure (though willing to be shown otherwise) that the majority of people in Queensland live below the Tropic of Capricorn. Thus I reference back to my post, I am not sure why Queenslanders seem to have such a fear of daylight savings.
A lot of manufacturing industries set their own "daylight saving" agenda and turn their clocks appropriately forward, most construction sites throughout Queenslad do similar. Many offices choose to do the same, and it seems to me the people most averse to change are rural Queenslanders ,who seem to work to the sun rise/set pattern anyway, regardless of what the clock says.
I am sympathetic to an argument I used to hear many years ago that the ABC news came on at 7pm regardless of daylight saving or otherwise, and that was the means wherby rural people got their news, but I'm not sure that argument holds too much weight these days.
Other than that, I can't understand why Queenslanders would not want to take advantage of the daylight available to them.

irlewy86 · 05-10-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

Other than that, I can't understand why Queenslanders would not want to take advantage of the daylight available to them.

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

zdcol71 · 05-10-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

Trick question???

irlewy86 · 05-10-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zdcol71

Trick question???

I've always found the strongest advocates are those who enjoy the uninterrupted sleep of a climate controlled house. For the rest of us, we cant wait for some kind of relief from the heat.

DJL351 · 05-10-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

Do you live in an air-conditioned house?

What does that matter?
Does DLS make the hotter than no DLS days?
If the max temp on a give day is 40deg then that is the max, regardless of DLS or no DLS.
(the only difference is the time at which that max temp is reached)

irlewy86 · 05-10-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJL351

What does that matter?
Does DLS make the hotter than no DLS days?
If the max temp on a give day is 40deg then that is the max, regardless of DLS or no DLS.
(the only difference is the time at which that max temp is reached)

It doesn't matter yet he didn't answer it.