Vfacts september 2022

**DFB FGXR6** · 05-10-2022, 09:06 PM

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-hits-new-high

TOP 10 BRANDS -
Toyota 14,852 -26.5%
Kia 7290 41.4%
Mazda 7259 10.7%
Mitsubishi 6784 47.3%
Ford 6635 15.2%
Hyundai 6501 19.1%
Tesla 5969 NA
Volkswagen 3698 -2.5%
MG 3261 8.3%
Subaru 3167 3.4%

TOP 10 MODELS -

Toyota HiLux – 5170
Ford Ranger – 4890
Tesla Model Y – 4359
Mazda CX-5 – 2439
Mitsubishi Triton – 2319
Isuzu D-Max – 1924
Mitsubishi Outlander – 1879
Toyota RAV4 – 1856
Kia Sportage – 1775
Hyundai i30 – 1733

Franco Cozzo · 05-10-2022, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...-hits-new-high

TOP 10 BRANDS -
Toyota 14,852 -26.5%
Kia 7290 41.4%
Mazda 7259 10.7%
Mitsubishi 6784 47.3%
Ford 6635 15.2%
Hyundai 6501 19.1%
Tesla 5969 NA
Volkswagen 3698 -2.5%
MG 3261 8.3%
Subaru 3167 3.4%

TOP 10 MODELS -

Toyota HiLux – 5170
Ford Ranger – 4890
Tesla Model Y – 4359
Mazda CX-5 – 2439
Mitsubishi Triton – 2319
Isuzu D-Max – 1924
Mitsubishi Outlander – 1879
Toyota RAV4 – 1856
Kia Sportage – 1775
Hyundai i30 – 1733

Scores a top 3 place and hasn't it just been released in our market?

vbomber · 05-10-2022, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Scores a top 3 place and hasn't it just been released in our market?

They started getting delivered back in August I believe

jpd80 · 05-10-2022, 09:34 PM

Strong buyer response to the Y, Tesla knows that it’s the main product they have to supply.
Will be interesting to see if this is the new monthly level or a spillover of August deliveries.

Good strong month for Ranger, anyone have Everest sales numbers please?

**kypez** · 06-10-2022, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Strong buyer response to the Y, Tesla knows that it’s the main product they have to supply.
Will be interesting to see if this is the new monthly level or a spillover of August deliveries.

Good strong month for Ranger, anyone have Everest sales numbers please?

Will be some spillover but plenty still coming. I called it 5-6 months ago. Plenty coming and they'll keep coming with the order books as full as they are. This is without the hero version and Long Range version here yet too. Be interesting once they get through the order book which should be circa May/June 2023. The Long Range version should find a lot of homes for people with range anxiety. Funny how no one wants an electric car.

Everest sales would be tiny with the delay in the launch. This month should give us a better idea.

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jpd80 · 06-10-2022, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by kypez

Will be some spillover but plenty still coming. I called it 5-6 months ago. Plenty coming and they'll keep coming with the order books as full as they are. This is without the hero version and Long Range version here yet too. Be interesting once they get through the order book which should be circa May/June 2023. The Long Range version should find a lot of homes for people with range anxiety. Funny how no one wants an electric car.

Everest sales would be tiny with the delay in the launch. This month should give us a better idea.

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So in roughly 18 months, Tesla has gone from insignificant sales to roughly 6% of new vehicle sales,
any idea if wait times have come down significantly?
Tesla’s sales strength is independent of fuel prices but not immune to a weaker Aussie dollar,
plenty of orders still to be filled so we should have more data over then next couple of months…

I see that Everest sales were just over 800 (thanks hackney) so another promising month,
now if only Ford could fully uncork production……

**kypez** · 06-10-2022, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

So in roughly 18 months, Tesla has gone from insignificant sales to roughly 6% of new vehicle sales,
any idea if wait times have come down significantly?
Tesla’s sales strength is independent of fuel prices but not immune to a weaker Aussie dollar,
plenty of orders still to be filled so we should have more data over then next couple of months…

I see that Everest sales were just over 800 (thanks hackney) so another promising month,
now if only Ford could fully uncork production……

The biggest changes were price reductions and fuel price scaring the crap out of people. The Model S and X were $140k+ options. Now, with Model 3 and Y, we have options in the low 60's to low 70's. That much more attainable. Model 3 was "slow" as we know Australians love SUVs but for a few months, before our dollar tanked, you could get a Model 3 for under $60k driveaway.

We can add greedy dealers and huge price markups to the list of reasons Tesla numbers have gone berserk. Fixed Dealer delivery ($1350), no markups, everyone pays the same price, no servicing. Whats not to like about their model.

Y has been a runaway success. Tesla had initially kept production numbers in line with Model 3 data. Problem was, Model Y orders went crazy! So there were some internal negotiations with Tesla to supply Australia with some meaningful numbers. My Model Y was slated for Jan initially and then was moved to November. I picked it up in September. I knew they were increasing allocation to us but even I didn't expect such a dramatic increase in supply. Orders are going gangbusters still.

Finally, its about what you're getting for your money. A XC40 Recharge is much much smaller than a Model Y, has less features and is based on an ICE platform (has the ugly transmission tunnel), and costs MORE than a Y! Same with the EQA, Audi... They cost more, less range, less infrastructure and many still require yearly servicing to appease their dealer network.

Tesla simple have the best product and a price point none of the competition can touch. *I won't consider the MG competition here.

prydey · 08-10-2022, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

So in roughly 18 months, Tesla has gone from insignificant sales to roughly 6% of new vehicle sales,

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Originally Posted by kypez

. We are discussing why a particular car is now the 3rd highest selling car in Australia a month after its launch.

Let's not get too carried away. 6% of new vehicle sales would be around 60000/yr. How are they going year to date?

Also, model Y isn't the 3rd highest selling car in Australia.

It will be a long time before EV's are sold in meaningful numbers in Australia.

**kypez** · 08-10-2022, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Let's not get too carried away. 6% of new vehicle sales would be around 60000/yr. How are they going year to date?

Also, model Y isn't the 3rd highest selling car in Australia.

It will be a long time before EV's are sold in meaningful numbers in Australia.

I thought it was understood given we are talking September V Facts that my comment was about the month of September. If you prefer, 3rd highest selling car in Australia for September. Happy now?

Meaningful numbers mean different things to different people it would seem. I find the result quite meaningful for a single model when even Hilux and Ranger only make up 70,000 to 80,000 units themselves which are backed by huge tax incentives.

By end of the year, they should be around 25,000 units sold which is great considering they had several months of zero shipments due to COVID issues and demand for LHD. That's double their 2021 YTD and have already gone past that number for this year with 3 months to run.

Most people said they'd never generate 1,000 sales a year. It's quite remarkable.

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hackney · 06-10-2022, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Strong buyer response to the Y, Tesla knows that it’s the main product they have to supply.
Will be interesting to see if this is the new monthly level or a spillover of August deliveries.

Good strong month for Ranger, anyone have Everest sales numbers please?

807, up from 417 in August.

Rob 351 · 06-10-2022, 07:20 AM

Ranger comfortably ahead in 4x4 segment.

4×4 Utes: Ford Ranger (4381), Toyota HiLux (3544), Mitsubishi Triton (2029)

hackney · 06-10-2022, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob 351

Ranger comfortably ahead in 4x4 segment.

4×4 Utes: Ford Ranger (4381), Toyota HiLux (3544), Mitsubishi Triton (2029)

Ranger figures will only get better once Ford get on top of supply issues.

Franco Cozzo · 06-10-2022, 07:47 AM

Tesla Model Y comes in, new entrant to market, takes 3rd position on VFacts,

Lets see how long it takes other car manufacturers to stop ignoring the AUS/NZ market and start offering their products in our market - Tesla has beat them all being first to market here and is building loyal customers who are making the change with their first EV, means their next one they're likely to buy Tesla again.

By the time the others react they'll be fighting for a smaller market share amongst themselves because they move so slow.

Dr Smith · 06-10-2022, 09:52 AM

One to mull while I eat my egg & bacon roll...I wonder if a Ranger Lightning was on sale today and both diesels and BEV versions were totally freely available off the floor without delay what the split would be? And what if the BEV was say under $5000 more expensive.

b0son · 06-10-2022, 11:31 AM

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One to mull while I eat my egg & bacon roll...I wonder if a Ranger Lightning was on sale today and both diesels and BEV versions were totally freely available off the floor without delay what the split would be? And what if the BEV was say under $5000 more expensive.

Nope. I saw Hoovies Garage (Youtube) tow test of the F150 lightning, and it was pretty underwhelming. I think there's still some question marks over EVs in some real world usage scenarios like towing.

**kypez** · 06-10-2022, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

One to mull while I eat my egg & bacon roll...I wonder if a Ranger Lightning was on sale today and both diesels and BEV versions were totally freely available off the floor without delay what the split would be? And what if the BEV was say under $5000 more expensive.

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Nope. I saw Hoovies Garage (Youtube) tow test of the F150 lightning, and it was pretty underwhelming. I think there's still some question marks over EVs in some real world usage scenarios like towing.

I'd say most Rangers I see don't tow. If Ranger was offered in a EV version, I can tell you there are thousands of Cybertruck deposit holders who would jump. So many I know are just waiting for a viable EV option to hit the market in that segment.

Franco Cozzo · 06-10-2022, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

I'd say most Rangers I see don't tow. If Ranger was offered in a EV version, I can tell you there are thousands of Cybertruck deposit holders who would jump. So many I know are just waiting for a viable EV option to hit the market in that segment.

There's an EV LDV T60 on its way

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2023 LDV eT60 electric ute coming soon to Australia, here’s what to expect

Although it has the appearance of a four-wheel-drive, the LDV eT60 is rear-wheel-drive only for now.

It has a 130kW/310Nm electric motor powered by an 88.6kWh battery pack.

While this battery pack is large by passenger-car standards, the extra weight and capability of the ute (which tips the scales at 2300kg) means driving range is blunted compared to smaller and lighter electric vehicles with a similar energy capacity.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-l...hat-to-expect/

**kypez** · 06-10-2022, 02:19 PM

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There's an EV LDV T60 on its way

https://www.drive.com.au/news/2023-l...hat-to-expect/

I think Ranger, as a brand, would sell better than LDV. I think people are still brand snobs (myself included) away from LDV. I'd buy a Ranger version. Don't think I'd buy a LDV personally. And its RWD only. No locking diffs or 4x4.

ivorya · 06-10-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

One to mull while I eat my egg & bacon roll...I wonder if a Ranger Lightning was on sale today and both diesels and BEV versions were totally freely available off the floor without delay what the split would be? And what if the BEV was say under $5000 more expensive.

If they market the BEV at certain city dewellers, they make take sales from the 4x4's that never see dirt, with a bigger boot!

**kypez** · 06-10-2022, 01:16 PM

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If they market the BEV at certain city dewellers, they make take sales from the 4x4's that never see dirt, with a bigger boot!

I want a 4x4 version with locking diffs as a BEV. I don't tow much anymore but would love to go offroad in an EV. No noisy overheating diesel turd. Number of times my Everest went into limp mode on simple sand conditions was terrible.

Wretched · 06-10-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

One to mull while I eat my egg & bacon roll...I wonder if a Ranger Lightning was on sale today and both diesels and BEV versions were totally freely available off the floor without delay what the split would be? And what if the BEV was say under $5000 more expensive.

ICE would be still far more popular but having a BEV would get Ford the foot in the EV door in AU.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-10-2022, 02:32 PM

If Ford can secure more Ranger & Everest supply they will make it to number 2. I however can't see them securing much more then they are now.

My Raptor lands tomorrow, after a lot of consideration I ended up buying one sigh..... Had ordered one last year then went the Ram, bought a Ranger Sport bi turbo as my daily and couldn't suffer it, had the opportunity last week to take a cancelled Raptor and jumped (haven't driven one or anything).

Big_Daz · 06-10-2022, 03:23 PM

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If Ford can secure more Ranger & Everest supply they will make it to number 2. I however can't see them securing much more then they are now.

My Raptor lands tomorrow, after a lot of consideration I ended up buying one sigh..... Had ordered one last year then went the Ram, bought a Ranger Sport bi turbo as my daily and couldn't suffer it, had the opportunity last week to take a cancelled Raptor and jumped (haven't driven one or anything).

Did you end up with a V6D Ranger at some stage? I thought I read that somewhere... If so, your thoughts on it? I keep hearing its not really that much quicker then the bi-turbo and the economy?

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Originally Posted by kypez

I'd say most Rangers I see don't tow. If Ranger was offered in a EV version, I can tell you there are thousands of Cybertruck deposit holders who would jump. So many I know are just waiting for a viable EV option to hit the market in that segment.

Mate, whoever comes out in Australia first with a viable 4x4 ute EV will bloody kill it. As you say, there would be a heap of Cybertruck customers that would jump ship as who the hell knows when electric jesus will get that on the road over here...

Smoke Pursuit · 06-10-2022, 04:18 PM

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Did you end up with a V6D Ranger at some stage? I thought I read that somewhere... If so, your thoughts on it? I keep hearing its not really that much quicker then the bi-turbo and the economy?

Mate, whoever comes out in Australia first with a viable 4x4 ute EV will bloody kill it. As you say, there would be a heap of Cybertruck customers that would jump ship as who the hell knows when electric jesus will get that on the road over here...

Hi mate,

Yes i bought my dad a V6 Wildtrak and we love it. Which is why i hated the bi Turbo so much.... I would have bought another Wildtrak but they laughed at me and I'm not one to wait so thought I'd just go full tilt and buy the Raptor.

There is no comparison between the Bi turbo and V6D. Anyone who says the Bi turbo isn't far behind is just trying to justify their purchase.

Economy-wise from 3,000 kms in both it was 1.5 - 2 per hundred different. Hard to say tho because we both have different driving styles and both tended to give the V6 some curry. Its just such a smooth torquey setup. It may not be much faster but it makes it up for it in smoothness.

Big_Daz · 06-10-2022, 04:28 PM

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Hi mate,

Yes i bought my dad a V6 Wildtrak and we love it. Which is why i hated the bi Turbo so much.... I would have bought another Wildtrak but they laughed at me and I'm not one to wait so thought I'd just go full tilt and buy the Raptor.

There is no comparison between the Bi turbo and V6D. Anyone who says the Bi turbo isn't far behind is just trying to justify their purchase.

Economy-wise from 3,000 kms in both it was 1.5 - 2 per hundred different. Hard to say tho because we both have different driving styles and both tended to give the V6 some curry. Its just such a smooth torquey setup. It may not be much faster but it makes it up for it in smoothness.

Cheers for that... I've obviously driven the V6D and thought it was awesome, but apart from a very short (less than 1km) drive ive not driven the bi-turbo... My Wildtrak is still incoming (apparently November now..) but the dealer has the same thing Ive ordered (Sedona Orange) but in Bi-Turbo, and have had for a few weeks, and have offered it to me at a very decent price as it hasn't sold yet (it was the dealer giving me the spiel about the bi-turbo). I was tempted but your comments have cemented my choice. I'll just wait for mine...

Smoke Pursuit · 06-10-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Cheers for that... I've obviously driven the V6D and thought it was awesome, but apart from a very short (less than 1km) drive ive not driven the bi-turbo... My Wildtrak is still incoming (apparently November now..) but the dealer has the same thing Ive ordered (Sedona Orange) but in Bi-Turbo, and have had for a few weeks, and have offered it to me at a very decent price as it hasn't sold yet (it was the dealer giving me the spiel about the bi-turbo). I was tempted but your comments have cemented my choice. I'll just wait for mine...

Well it cost me about 5 - 6 k to dump the bi turbo sport I had so yeah, I personally wouldn't touch another Bi turbo unless it was a commercial work ute. There is simply no comparison. At a minimum i should have just bought an XLT V6 as i could get one at the time back in July.

Vekgib · 07-10-2022, 09:47 PM

Can someone explain what regeneration of electricity has to do with the numbers of cars sold in September ?

**kypez** · 07-10-2022, 11:56 PM

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Can someone explain what regeneration of electricity has to do with the numbers of cars sold in September ?

Simple. Ranger and Hilux have second and first Sown up so there is not much news here. We are discussing why a particular car is now the 3rd highest selling car in Australia a month after its launch. All these things discussed are why they're number 3. Stick around, you might learn something new.

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78xcgxl · 09-10-2022, 07:12 PM

Amazing how much choice of cars Australians have now. Even with the ranger 4890 sales only makes for 58,680 cars a year. Far cry from the days Ford Broadmeadows was pumping 100k Falcons out the door with half the Australian population. No wonder Australian auto manufacturing stands no chance with such low volumes and too many options.

jpd80 · 10-10-2022, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 78xcgxl

Amazing how much choice of cars Australians have now. Even with the ranger 4890 sales only makes for 58,680 cars a year. Far cry from the days Ford Broadmeadows was pumping 100k Falcons out the door with half the Australian population. No wonder Australian auto manufacturing stands no chance with such low volumes and too many options.

One thing you notice is how quickly sales numbers drop after the first three, and outside the top ten sales the numbers really drop……

So that variety comes at a price of lots of minor sales but was it ever any different in our tiny market dominated by two or three brands…,