Sick People in this world.

[Gezza1er]

What some people are capable of.

http://www.news.com.au/world/mass-sh...-1226431167005

[poppa smurf]

yes.....there sure is!

[TC200six]

Doesn't it appear strange that when the previous Batman movie came out in 2008, it was dubbed as "cursed" by the media, now this squeal comes out and a crazed psychopath goes on a rampage during its own premier.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by TC200six

Doesn't it appear strange that when the previous Batman movie came out in 2008, it was dubbed as "cursed" by the media, now this squeal comes out and a crazed psychopath goes on a rampage during its own premier.

no

society and genes cause things like this - not movies, not heavy metal music, not hot cars, just soceity and genes

and unfortunately, after this happens, society just blames the genes

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

no

society and genes cause things like this - not movies, not heavy metal music, not hot cars, just soceity and genes

and unfortunately, after this happens, society just blames the genes

Fair point, but this movie franchise does seem to have had a lot of bad luck through Heath Ledger dying, a worker being killed on set and Morgan Freeman being involved in a car accident. That's why the media claims people believe there is a curse based on this.

Originally Posted by supershifty

TC200six, I don't get what you mean in your post - I haven't seen any of the latest Batman movies, could you please elaborate what you are relating in your post?

When watching a news bulletin a few years ago when the previous Dark Knight movie was released, I recall it being descried as cursed as a result of what I explained above. Here's an article that explainins http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-tragedy.html

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by TC200six

Fair point, but this movie franchise does seem to have had a lot of bad luck through Heath Ledger dying, a worker being killed on set and Morgan Freeman being involved in a car accident. That's why the media claims people believe there is a curse based on this.

while i myself would link the events at times, it would be nothing more than a talking point
i would suggest it was all co-incidences - no doubt this last one seems to have been planned for the batman movie, but it seems, there is only 6 degrees of separation between anyone of us. in this case the degrees of separation are much more apparent

just like the naked gun and poltergeist - although the poltergeist one is closer to having some merit

hollywood actors dying or having car accidents are nothing new. sadly neither are workplace accidents or massacres either




the thing that gets me (and i don't know how to stop it happening), is generally whenever something like this happens, it is quiet kid or mentally challenged kid that does it. most times (especially at school), they choose their victims and they always seem to be the rich and popular kids. maybe if the in crowd showed some respect to the potentially sick people, these events would not happen so often
i always hear about respecting the dead, which i find disturbing . . . because if the living was respected, there is a possibility many would not be dead before their time

[xisled]

I am surprised that he was not accidently shot when being captured. But yes what a sick sick person.

[supershifty]

I have no idea why people do this to other people. I'd like to say "only in America", but sadly this is not the case. Remember Martin Bryant, or the recent Norway shootings. 300 million people in America doesn't justify the "only in America" clause. There is no justification for doing this to otherwise innocent people. If you hate life that much - then just go and top yourself, leave the rest of us to our own.

TC200six, I don't get what you mean in your post - I haven't seen any of the latest Batman movies, could you please elaborate what you are relating in your post?

Edit: Maybe I should just go and hire the DVD if that's easier!

Cheers!

[xisled]

Originally Posted by supershifty

I have no idea why people do this to other people. I'd like to say "only in America", but sadly this is not the case. Remember Martin Bryant, or the recent Norway shootings. 300 million people in America doesn't justify the "only in America" clause. There is no justification for doing this to otherwise innocent people. If you hate life that much - then just go and top yourself, leave the rest of us to our own.

TC200six, I don't get what you mean in your post - I haven't seen any of the latest Batman movies, could you please elaborate what you are relating in your post?

Cheers!

They say it was cursed because of Heath Ledger passing towards the end of filming.

So 2 big things happened, 1 for each movie.

[gtfpv]

i wish this didnt make the news . they should of just shot the guy dead and deal with it rather than publicise it all over the world

[SEZ213]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

i wish this didnt make the news . they should of just shot the guy dead and deal with it rather than publicise it all over the world

I agree with this sentiment, but it's hard to shoot a guy when he's kitted out in full tactical response gear...estimated $20k worth of weapons and protection, a booby trap set up in his house that was acticipated to possibly take 'days' to disarm. Something just doesn't add up...he was unemployed for starters...

[Jim Goose]

Totally crazy?
Apparently he handed himself to Police near the cinemas... calm and collected.

On a smaller but none the less sick event, in Townsville..
http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au...8761_news.html

AN autistic boy was kidnapped, tortured, bashed and sexually assaulted after he was allegedly set upon by two young girls during a depraved and sickening attack in suburban Townsville last weekend.

The 12-year-old boy was riding home after fishing in a creek, when he was pulled from his bike and dragged into a house that was under construction on Sunday morning.

He was then subjected to a prolonged and humiliating assault allegedly at the hands of two girls, aged just 13 and 14.

The boy was bashed, threatened with a knife and stripped naked before being sexually assaulted during the terrifying ordeal.

The young victim managed to escape and ran next door, screaming for help, where the home owners took him inside and phoned his mother. The boy's mother, who cannot be named as it would identify her son, yesterday revealed the shocking ordeal in the hope of protecting other children.

"He was dragged off his pushbike by his hoodie and dragged into a house that was under construction and severely beaten up, kicked, kneed and punched," she said.

"He was beaten about the whole body."

The mother said her son wasn't able to communicate how long he had been held captive, but believes it may have been around an hour.

"They got him in there and basically attacked him severely, ripped all his clothes off, they had a knife to his throat and told him they were going to kill him," she said.

"They got him against a wall there and held a knife against his head and ear."

These are 13yr old GIRLS, one begs to ask what on earth is going on in their minds???? Are they victims of sexual assault themselves?

[wrongwaynorris]

8 million undiagnosed serious mental illnesses , over 200 million privately owned guns that the FBI know of , estimates put actual numbers as high as 400 million and the ridiculous scenario of being able to buy guns and ammo from places such as KMart and we wonder why these things happen . There is absolutely and utterly NO reason whatsoever for anyone other than the military , law enforcement , specialist security providers and farmers to own a gun

[irish2]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

8 million undiagnosed serious mental illnesses , over 200 million privately owned guns that the FBI know of , estimates put actual numbers as high as 400 million and the ridiculous scenario of being able to buy guns and ammo from places such as KMart and we wonder why these things happen . There is absolutely and utterly NO reason whatsoever for anyone other than the military , law enforcement , specialist security providers and farmers to own a gun

This was what was being said everywhere after Port Arthur. The removal of guns from normal citizens did a lot of good in preventing gun crime in Australia didn't it? At least now the criminals with guns know their victim won't be able to shoot them.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by irish2

This was what was being said everywhere after Port Arthur. The removal of guns from normal citizens did a lot of good in preventing gun crime in Australia didn't it? At least now the criminals with guns know their victim won't be able to shoot them.

Yep, I had to line up with all the other guys and hand in a perfectly good Bentley 8 shot pump action 12 gauge which was "illegal" under the new laws. As we were standing in line, one guy looked around and said "I don't notice a lot of criminals here handing in thier illegal guns...funny, that..."
I got $120 for my shotgun...and promptly went down and bought a brand new .22 bolt action rifle, thus negating the one "illegal" gun they took off me buy replacing it with a "legal" one immediately. Plenty of people did this.

We should blame the person who committed the crime, 100%...no blame should be placed on the inanimate object he used to commit the crime.

[karj]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Yep, I had to line up with all the other guys and hand in a perfectly good Bentley 8 shot pump action 12 gauge which was "illegal" under the new laws. As we were standing in line, one guy looked around and said "I don't notice a lot of criminals here handing in thier illegal guns...funny, that..."
I got $120 for my shotgun...and promptly went down and bought a brand new .22 bolt action rifle, thus negating the one "illegal" gun they took off me buy replacing it with a "legal" one immediately. Plenty of people did this.

We should blame the person who committed the crime, 100%...no blame should be placed on the inanimate object he used to commit the crime.

It's correlation, not causation.

Guns don't cause crime, but there is a correlation between the availablity of guns and gun crime. Simply put, more guns in circulation = more gun crime.

In a perfect world, you'd be able to take the ideal libertarian view that people should be able to own guns without restriction. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world, nor is everyone mentally stable.

It's very much about finding an equilibrium; balancing the infringement of liberty with the protection of it.

These recent events are very sad.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by karj

It's correlation, not causation.

Guns don't cause crime, but there is a correlation between the availablity of guns and gun crime. Simply put, more guns in circulation = more gun crime.

In a perfect world, you'd be able to take the ideal libertarian view that people should be able to own guns without restriction. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world, nor is everyone mentally stable.

It's very much about finding an equilibrium; balancing the infringement of liberty with the protection of it.

These recent events are very sad.

agree - guns are not the problem and never will be

however, if you have so many people so close to the end of their tether and allow these people to have a gun, what other outcome can we expect

if someone has a form of breakdown, but doesn't own a gun, it is difficult for them to shoot up a mall, cinema, school etc. if however, they are allowed to have a gun at home, then what happened last night is a real possibility. i realise that criminals will still have guns, no matter what laws we have in place, but realistically most of these people that snap would not have the contacts to buy an illegal gun. while they may actually plan what they do, it is more of a snap decision to actually go out and cause a massacre. therefore if no gun is in the house, the plans and actions may not occur.

[Reaper8]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

8 million undiagnosed serious mental illnesses , over 200 million privately owned guns that the FBI know of , estimates put actual numbers as high as 400 million and the ridiculous scenario of being able to buy guns and ammo from places such as KMart and we wonder why these things happen . There is absolutely and utterly NO reason whatsoever for anyone other than the military , law enforcement , specialist security providers and farmers to own a gun

And it begins, i am a licenced shooter so am i going to go on a rampage with mine No. you like cars and could quite easily run people over (its been done). Look at what people use now in robbery's since our laws have been changed, bats, axe's, blood filled needles, need i go on.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by Reaper8

And it begins, i am a licenced shooter so am i going to go on a rampage with mine No. you like cars and could quite easily run people over (its been done). Look at what people use now in robbery's since our laws have been changed, bats, axe's, blood filled needles, need i go on.

Yes but in the USA its a lot easier for anyone to get hold of weapons when compared to here, plus the social issues, poverty, the shear scale of population, the gun culture itself, the revolving door hosptial system which kicks out people with mental issues after a few days etc... all means that is more likely to happen there on a regular basis then it would here.

Using a gun to rob a store is completely different to going on a shooting rampage.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Reaper8

And it begins, i am a licenced shooter so am i going to go on a rampage with mine No. you like cars and could quite easily run people over (its been done). Look at what people use now in robbery's since our laws have been changed, bats, axe's, blood filled needles, need i go on.

Bats were invented for what? Sport. They use is modified when they are used as a weapon.

Axes - invented to cut down trees. Use modified when used as a weapon.

Blood filled needles. Needles invented to administer aid/medicine. Use modified for illicit drugs, and then once again as a weapon (aids, anyone??)

Cars progressive invention for transportation. Cars are a progression from horse and cart, and before that, horse and bag. If used as a weapon, then there is a big modification from intended use.

In all the above cases, the modified use of each means the item has become a weapon of opportunity, not design.

Guns - invented to kill. Simple. Progression of spears and swords - also weapons.

You want to kill someone with a gun? Too easy - get said gun, put some ammo in it aim and shoot. You want to kill someone with any of the other things you listed - it takes a bit more thought, and usually more time to kill someone by other means, and also usually less people at one time especially when comparing to a semi or automatic weapon. See how I used "weapon" there but you knew straight away I meant gun; that is a common thing people do, but only applies to guns and not anything else in the list.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. But using a gun makes it easier.

Anyway, I guess my point is that no matter how you justify guns, I do not condone them because they are made only to kill, and I believe that killing someone intentionally is wrong and should be punished more than it currently is (ironically, I do believe in the death penalty for those that kill). These are my views only, I'm fairly sure they're not against site T&C and hopefully some of you get where I am coming from, even if you choose not to agree.

[Reaper8]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

8 million undiagnosed serious mental illnesses , over 200 million privately owned guns that the FBI know of , estimates put actual numbers as high as 400 million and the ridiculous scenario of being able to buy guns and ammo from places such as KMart and we wonder why these things happen . There is absolutely and utterly NO reason whatsoever for anyone other than the military , law enforcement , specialist security providers and farmers to own a gun

its these comments about no one should have a firearm that i put my response to. I am entitled to defend my sport. My reference to boat people was to highlight how easy our borders are to get through.

[NickyN]

Originally Posted by Reaper8

its these comments about no one should have a firearm that i put my response to. I am entitled to defend my sport. My reference to boat people was to highlight how easy our borders are to get through.

I agree, riflery, target shooting, whatever it's called, it's a sport. It's a skill.

[pottery beige]

two words.. mental health..

way to easy for gumbyments to hide these people that need help amongst us...

[JC]

Originally Posted by NickyN

I agree, riflery, target shooting, whatever it's called, it's a sport. It's a skill.

Just because something is a skill doesn't make it a sport.

[irish2]

Originally Posted by JC

Just because something is a skill doesn't make it a sport.

Archery is considered a sport, so how can shooting not be?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by JC

Just because something is a skill doesn't make it a sport.

Just wondering? Do you consider the Olympic Games a sporting event in that the majority of events are based on military skills, most with weapons.......

[flappist]

Originally Posted by wrongwaynorris

8 million undiagnosed serious mental illnesses , over 200 million privately owned guns that the FBI know of , estimates put actual numbers as high as 400 million and the ridiculous scenario of being able to buy guns and ammo from places such as KMart and we wonder why these things happen . There is absolutely and utterly NO reason whatsoever for anyone other than the military , law enforcement , specialist security providers and farmers to own a gun

There is absolutely NO reason for anyone other than the military, law enforcement and specialist race drivers to own a performance car........

[supershifty]

TC200six - got the link, and fully understand where you're coming from! Ta mate!

Jim Goose - that is totally effed - What is going on in the heads of some of the young folk today? I was taught to respect others - no matter what their circumstance may be. (as in no doubt you were, too) Those girls need an education - or more importantly, - damned good parents!

[Gezza1er]

Jim Goose- Holly Molly thats low if my folks found out that i did something like that (as i am 16) i would get my A$$ handed to me and then some...

Why people do it no one will know. I'm just happy That i am one of the teenagers that would much rather stay at home and work on my car and chill with mates at mine for a while then terrorize the public with silly stuff such as getting wasted and destroying stuff and throwing stupid parties (that just me though)

[Gezza1er]

Too true