Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335

qdda5 · 29-09-2012, 03:42 PM

Anyone have any idea what HSV have in the pipeline to compete with the Coyotes ??.
Are there wispers that they will be supercharging the HSV range in the future???

greenfoam · 29-09-2012, 03:47 PM

How many GT's are they selling vs HSV's? you don't always need to have the most power to make the most money

qdda5 · 29-09-2012, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by greenfoam

How many GT's are they selling vs HSV's? you don't always need to have the most power to make the most money

True, but they cant sit idle either and do nothing.
Something would be in the pipeline regardless if they were to sell more HSVs than FPVs .

TC200six · 29-09-2012, 03:55 PM

HSV probably doesn't need to out perform the 5.0L. If out performing FPV was their priority, they could easily drop the LS III V8 and make the LS VII V8 (from the W427) standard.

**Sorted** · 29-09-2012, 05:59 PM

Who cares - seriously go on a Holden site and ask the question

Instead of clogging up Ford Forums with HSV rambling about ifs, buts and whats

GTP370 · 29-09-2012, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorted

Who cares - seriously go on a Holden site and ask the question

Instead of clogging up Ford Forums with HSV rambling about ifs, buts and whats

People who not only have a passion for Fords, but appreciate a wide range of other makes and models. Surely we can’t all be that narrow minded.

**Sorted** · 29-09-2012, 06:08 PM

What's wrong with going to a Holden forum and asking the question

No wonder they sell so well with a Ford Forum talking about Holden or HSV so much

aussie muscle · 02-10-2012, 08:36 AM

I can't imagine HSV think of fpv as much of a threat at the moment, they are probably looking to steal Mercedes, Audi and BMW potential customers at this point.

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What's wrong with going to a Holden forum and asking the question

I assume we get Holden fans coming here to see what WE think of the HSV and Holden product (i know i go to the ls1 forums to see what they think of FPV/Falcon).

Besides, it breaks up the monotony somewhat.

FPV GTHO · 29-09-2012, 04:07 PM

You might see something when the Gen5 comes out.

Before then, theyve already done a wet sump LS7 which was an expensive exercise. LSA is apparently pretty expensive as well, dont even need to talk about LS9.

Doing their own supercharged variant using the Walkinshaw gear is probably redundant given the LSA. Until then they might just be relying on pushing interested customers to Walkinshaw regardless.

Resurrection · 29-09-2012, 04:09 PM

I hinted at this some time ago:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11343883

LSA due end of 2013.

Motorbreath310 · 29-09-2012, 04:39 PM

Given the large car climate at the moment I reckon HSV will just continue doing what they've been doing. Focusing on tech and features. The ls3 is carrying over to VF and I'm not sure when the 5.5 is being released. If they do put the dollars into an FI product it'd only be a limited-run, premium model like the w427 was.

Until then, the ls3 is fast enough, the customer base is loyal and they make a fairly decent product. They simply can't match the coyote on price. The walkinshaw is 20k more expensive and no faster in a straight line and an LSA variant would cost more again. But many argue and still believe that the HSV is "a more complete package" and they win sales and magazine reviews on this alone.

In summary, it aint broke, they aint gonna fix it, rather they can add percieved value to it for a smaller outlay (tech, features, styling changes) rather than investing heavily in a more powerful engine for a dying market segment when they already have the upper hand (and an export program to boot)

1TUFFUTE · 04-10-2012, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Given the large car climate at the moment I reckon HSV will just continue doing what they've been doing. Focusing on tech and features. The ls3 is carrying over to VF and I'm not sure when the 5.5 is being released. If they do put the dollars into an FI product it'd only be a limited-run, premium model like the w427 was.

Until then, the ls3 is fast enough, the customer base is loyal and they make a fairly decent product. They simply can't match the coyote on price. The walkinshaw is 20k more expensive and no faster in a straight line and an LSA variant would cost more again. But many argue and still believe that the HSV is "a more complete package" and they win sales and magazine reviews on this alone.

In summary, it aint broke, they aint gonna fix it, rather they can add percieved value to it for a smaller outlay (tech, features, styling changes) rather than investing heavily in a more powerful engine for a dying market segment when they already have the upper hand (and an export program to boot)

Ford doesnt have to do anything either. When the next Gt 335 comes out with all the R spec updates they will be so far ahead its not funny. I mean were allready talking about figuers over a second in acceleration times to 100 and 80-120 and so on. The new HSV will have to be amazing.
All ford has to focus on till 2016 is adding tech and safety now so they still have a big leg up i say.

GT0132 · 04-10-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Ford doesnt have to do anything either. When the next Gt 335 comes out with all the R spec updates they will be so far ahead its not funny. I mean were allready talking about figuers over a second in acceleration times to 100 and 80-120 and so on. The new HSV will have to be amazing.
All ford has to focus on till 2016 is adding tech and safety now so they still have a big leg up i say.

You see thats the trouble, Ford have been doing nothing and that's what's got them into the hot water they're in now.

If they believe they have the superior product then they need to tell the world about it and tell them why they should buy it.

While the market for large/performace sedans is sinking fast you can't ignore the fact that the GMH share of the smaller pie is getting relatively bigger. Don't HSV outsell FPV 3:2 ? Thats a good place to be in if you don't have the superior offering with a superecharged motor and relatively newer body shape. What they have is brand loyalty and the sooner Ford market their products with this in mind the less chance that the size of their slice of the pie will keep diminishing.

BadMax · 29-09-2012, 04:51 PM

HSV don't need to do a single thing, they are and will continue to win the sales race in the segement...Well for as long Ford churn out what they do and their current marketing department remain employed.

qdda5 · 29-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BadMax

HSV don't need to do a single thing, they are and will continue to win the sales race in the segement...Well for as long Ford churn out what they do and their current marketing department remain employed.

Dont need to do a single thing????.
Your kidding right.
Im pretty sure they wouldnt have that attitude based on where they sit in the market atm.

jpd80 · 29-09-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by qdda5

Anyone have any idea what HSV have in the pipeline to compete with the Coyotes ??.
Are there wispers that they will be supercharging the HSV range in the future???

IIRC, HSV already sells power up kits and blowers, I think this is why HSV has resisted
going with a Supercharged engine to rival FPV, that area is already covered quite well
as hard core buyers will just go and pay to get the car modded and blown...

**DJM83** · 29-09-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

IIRC, HSV already sells power up kits and blowers, I think this is why HSV has resisted
going with a Supercharged engine to rival FPV, that area is already covered quite well
as hard core buyers will just go and pay to get the car modded and blown...

First ive heard of that apart from Walkinshaw. No way you can compare Walkinshaw to a factory FPV IMO.
I know Walkinshaw do it well but it isnt factory so its doesnt count IMO. I mean spending the coin on an R8/GTS et al then spending more at WP when you can just buy a GT straight from the factory and spank most out the gate.

But as has been posted, HSV have a very loyal fan base whereas FPV (from the outside looking in) not so much unfortunately.

Archilino · 29-09-2012, 05:55 PM

HSV will release their own supercharged engine with the VF upgrade.

jpd80 · 29-09-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

First ive heard of that apart from Walkinshaw. No way you can compare Walkinshaw to a factory FPV IMO.
I know Walkinshaw do it well but it isnt factory so its doesnt count IMO.

OK, knew it was one or the other and while they don't count in your eyes, to people who mod Holdens, it counts a lot.
And FPV were so sick of being harranged by the press over perceived inadequacies with the 5.4 Boss that they, not Ford
were compelled to go out and develop a supercharged 5.0 to answer the imported Holden push rod GM V8 antiques...

It's nice to know FPV buyers can get gun equipment off the showroom but be warned,
don't ever think that Holden, HSV or Walkinshaw will take that challenge lying down..

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I mean spending the coin on an R8/GTS et al then spending more at WP when you can just buy a GT straight from the factory and spank most out the gate.

And what if those dyed in the wool Holden fans would never own a Ford but are
willing to spend serious cash on their HSV or Walkinshaw, there's an outlet for them...

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But as has been posted, HSV have a very loyal fan base whereas FPV (from the outside looking in) not so much unfortunately.

HSV and Holden are suffering die back in numbers too, no one is having an easy time.

FPV8U · 29-09-2012, 06:15 PM

Until HSV struggle to see what they have at the moment they really need not rush, FPV would dream of similar sales numbers to their rivals, in saying that HSV's rumoured VF is set to feature a factory SC engine.

BadMax · 29-09-2012, 06:15 PM

I guess for all the narrow minded twats who are one eyed Ford, there is twice as many one eyed twats that are one eyed Holden.

pottery beige · 29-09-2012, 06:17 PM

lol @ sniper edit..

KIWI-1 · 29-09-2012, 06:22 PM

You can talk 380 qdda5, cos Mitsubishi is already where the FoA want to be.

Shonky. · 29-09-2012, 06:44 PM

I would think when the OP asked

"what HSV have in the pipeline to compete with the Coyotes "

he probably meant the cars, not the sales figures.

I think it's a legit question, I have often wondered the same. HSV got nothing right now (in terms of stonk, not ability to move cars)

qdda5 · 29-09-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

I would think when the OP asked

"what HSV have in the pipeline to compete with the Coyotes "

he probably meant the cars, not the sales figures.

I think it's a legit question, I have often wondered the same. HSV got nothing right now (in terms of stonk, not ability to move cars)

Thakyou Shonkymofo.
Bingo.

KIWI-1 · 29-09-2012, 07:08 PM

As suggested by others, the answer to the OPs question is probably nothing. The question Holdens typically ask is "what do we have to spend development money on to beat Ford?" and the answer is ... NOTHING... they already outsell 2 to 1.

Archilino · 29-09-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

As suggested by others, the answer to the OPs question is probably nothing. The question Holdens typically ask is "what do we have to spend development money on to beat Ford?" and the answer is ... NOTHING... they already outsell 2 to 1.

It's been said twice already, HSV are bringing out their own supercharged engine. Factory S/C on both sides, let the good times roll

Motorbreath310 · 29-09-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Archilino

It's been said twice already, HSV are bringing out their own supercharged engine. Factory S/C on both sides, let the good times roll

Has there been any official wording on that though? If they do it'll be a limited run and be priced on the wrong side of 100k for starters which could actually work in favour of FPV sales for people after a cheaper alternative to a blown v8 sedan. Is there even a market for HSV's in that price bracket after the W427?

Archilino · 29-09-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Motorbreath310

Has there been any official wording on that though? If they do it'll be a limited run and be priced on the wrong side of 100k for starters which could actually work in favour of FPV sales for people after a cheaper alternative to a blown v8 sedan. Is there even a market for HSV's in that price bracket after the W427?

I doubt we will hear anything until much closer to the release date so they don't hurt current sales of th E3 range, off memory wasn't the GTS Monaro about 100k a few years back? I guess HSV have precedence charging 6 fingures if you also include the W427 if they choose to go down that path.

VICFPV · 29-09-2012, 10:50 PM

OP question: Whats HSVs answer to the GT 335.

My answer: Nothing. Reason being is they are not competing against FPV. They are chasing the Euro stuff Audi BMW and Mercedes Benz.
HSV boss said it himself.
Also it would make him a laughing stock if they went out and positioned a product to match FPV in forced induction and kill of the gravy train in Walkinshaw business, besides they are double dipping as it is. They are getting at least 10k on top of the car purchase price if the customer optioned a kit with Walkinshaw. Again its a win win for them.