Transit 2.0 wet belt issue

[simon varley]

Does anyone know anything about this? Its all over the European sites, but I can't find a thing about it here. Does anyone know a TSB or recall number?

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by simon varley

Does anyone know anything about this? Its all over the European sites, but I can't find a thing about it here. Does anyone know a TSB or recall number?

Probably the 20B44 inspection which appears to be a TSB or some other document.

See this Transit forum page 8 which contains a copy of the document contents, and the next page for very recent posts.

[simon varley]

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

[hackney]

Originally Posted by simon varley

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

Ah, the good old wet belt failures.Citroen also did a recall on theirs not long back.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by simon varley

interesting. my van falls outside the range (1/5/16 - 1/7/19) but even knowing the FSA number I still can't find any details in Australia. Maybe we never got the 2.0 until after this date?

I have a Feb 2017 built Transit Custom 2.0L six speed auto and will see if it has ever been checked for this. Transit Custom switched to the 2.0L 96kW when the auto version became available and then after an update the 125kW version became the standard engine with the Sport getting a more powerful tune.

[simon varley]

good luck!

[jpd80]

2.0 Ecoblue engine, same as Ranger but the issue looks to be degraded or diluted oil causing premature failure
Read, people skipping services and replacing oil occasionally……and then wonder why engine goes bang.

[Franco Cozzo]

Curious as to oil change intervals as I see some van manufacturers suggesting 30,000km oil change intervals and to me thats well and truly stretching the friendship.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curious as to oil change intervals as I see some van manufacturers suggesting 30,000km oil change intervals and to me thats well and truly stretching the friendship.

by the book - still 15k/7.5k or annually

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by jpd80

2.0 Ecoblue engine, same as Ranger but the issue looks to be degraded or diluted oil causing premature failure
Read, people skipping services and replacing oil occasionally……and then wonder why engine goes bang.

no I don't think so. it's because much more fuel goes into the oil than anyone expected, so the oil life is significantly degraded, and the belt running in **** oil gets worn.

fuel in oil is a significant issue in Ranger too, so eyes up!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by simon varley

no I don't think so. it's because much more fuel goes into the oil than anyone expected, so the oil life is significantly degraded, and the belt running in **** oil gets worn.

fuel in oil is a significant issue in Ranger too, so eyes up!

Wow, how does the diesel end up in the oil?
Does it get past the rings or is there another way in?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Wow, how does the diesel end up in the oil?
Does it get past the rings or is there another way in?

I've seen cars with DPFs end up with the oil level getting higher up the dip stick and its diesel in the oil, related to a problem with the DPF.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I've seen cars with DPFs end up with the oil level getting higher up the dip stick and its diesel in the oil, related to a problem with the DPF.

honestly, I've tried and tried to get my head around this, and failed :( but it's a true thing

[Top_Ghia]

Ecoblue engine has a 30,000km service interval which looks great on the sales brochure. Everywhere else it’s a terrible idea.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

Ecoblue engine has a 30,000km service interval which looks great on the sales brochure. Everywhere else it’s a terrible idea.

Apart from our 2017 Custom I have a 2021 Vito 119CDI and its 25,000km/1 year.

[simon varley]

try this

https://www.sae.org/publications/tec.../2021-26-0184/

This has been a cost effective and simpler technique compared to the external hydrocarbon dosing system. But the tradeoff involved with this in-cylinder dosing technique is the risk of fuel in oil (FIO). The extra fuel injected impinges the cylinder wall and eventually get mixed with engine oil thereby diluting it. The diluted oil increases the risk of early wear and impacts the durability of the engine.

[IanC]

Mazda diesels had big problems with fuel getting into the oil. Clogs the DPF and results in engine failure. People are buying diesel SUVs and utes then using them for the school run. They need to have regular long runs or they have all sorts of problems. It is not a good idea to buy a secondhand modern diesel as you don't know how it has been used and there could be very expensive problems ahead.

[Top_Ghia]

There has certainly been a lot of software/strategy updates along the way to resolve this issue across many models and many manufacturers.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Top_Ghia

There has certainly been a lot of software/strategy updates along the way to resolve this issue across many models and many manufacturers.

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

[Top_Ghia]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

I love modern diesels. They put a roof over my head and feed my family.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The best solution of all is customers to stop buying diesel vehicles that don't actually do any work

Seems to me that a petrol hybrid would work better in those low load situations

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Seems to me that a petrol hybrid would work better in those low load situations

I agree,

Curious to see what the Ranger Hybrid is going to do fuel usage wise compared to the diesel variants as well as at payload and towing capacity.

[Sprintey]

Do they offer a petrol Transit? If not, there's always the delivery driver's Ferrari, the 3.5V6 Hiace

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...rice-and-specs

[simon varley]

drive it like you stole it.


under the speed limit, obviously. especially in Victoria

[jpd80]

Seems these days that these little light diesels can be a never ending worry starting with
that higher initial cost and the unknown service issue that seem to be a constant problem.

Makes me wonder if this will usher in a return to petrol hybrids as a way of getting good city
fuel economy for all those smaller suvs and 4x4 Utes that run around mostly on urban streets
and highways.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Seems these days that these little light diesels can be a never ending worry starting with
that higher initial cost and the unknown service issue that seem to be a constant problem.

Makes me wonder if this will usher in a return to petrol hybrids as a way of getting good city
fuel economy for all those smaller suvs and 4x4 Utes that run around mostly on urban streets
and highways.

There's a lot of unleaded Hiluxes getting about, povvo-spec workmate jobs.

But they're the only option on the market I believe,

Ranger hybrid will probably be first to market, will be interesting to see.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Seems these days that these little light diesels can be a never ending worry

the amount of $$ invested in the diesel aftertreatment is an embarrassment

as we move to Eu7, hybrid gas is just about the only powerpack that meets the emissions standard, without massively compromising on performance so expect to see a lot more of those come along in the next few years.

Eu7 is still hard. in fact when Eu tried to pull ahead the introduction by 12 months all the manufacturers pushed back as right now, nobody knows how to meet the standard. Even with gas hybrid, it looks like there will need to be massive aftertreatment, like heated catalysts and more NOx sensors....

[Citroënbender]

The trickle-down is going to be interesting in 15 years, both in used vehicle prospects and how people adapt to likely stricture upon travel (cost, and maybe legislation driven).

[Sprintey]

In terms of trickle down, as soon as repair cost of complex components > scrap value of car, it's sayonara. With more complex vehicles and expensive battery replacements, it's coming sooner for many late model cars. Edit: ironically, shorter car-life will be worse for the environment as of the energy and material and scrapping cost of having to make them again, sooner)

This will create stricture upon travel and those who keep simple, reliable transport in some form of loophole in future rules will remain unaffected.

For the rest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NbCNA0mAtM

Unless this kind of stuff happens first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xgB1ep7Iog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XZbFBDzz5A