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01-11-2011, 12:14 AM | #1 | ||
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Hey guys,
FG2 is finally up on the Ford website as of tonight. New colours are showing too... A new blue - Kenetic (avail from now) and a Green called Swift, similiar to the current emerald Holden green. www.ford.com.au cheers.
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01-11-2011, 12:37 AM | #2 | ||
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After seeing the pics I'm glad I have the series 1.
The new series are all the same except the XR's having different headlights. |
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01-11-2011, 12:57 AM | #3 | ||
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early 2012 for the ecoboost 4 potter, looking forward to see how it goes.
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01-11-2011, 10:03 PM | #4 | |||
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01-11-2011, 10:12 PM | #5 | |||
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01-11-2011, 10:25 PM | #6 | |||
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I'm going to go against the grain and say I rather like it, more sleek/refined, curious about the headlights, are the Territory/FGII HID projector headlights? Or are they just Halogen projectors? Still if the latter its better than halogen reflectors. Which is what annoys me, we live in Australia, particularily out in the country, good lights are a requirement, I was talking to my local Ford dealer on the top of the range LW Focus, he said that the HID projectors are a $2500 option, which I think is a bit over the top, particularily if they're the crappy Hella projectors. |
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01-11-2011, 11:21 PM | #7 | |||
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01-11-2011, 11:47 PM | #8 | |||
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01-11-2011, 11:48 PM | #9 | |||
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And considerably lighter so it should go around corners better as well. |
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02-11-2011, 03:46 AM | #10 | |||
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Would be funny if they quote 409Nm. Again. |
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02-11-2011, 10:54 AM | #11 | |||
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What makes you think the EcoBoost will have 400nm??? Ford have previously indicated they will not be going for big spec numbers, but rather they will be concentrating on fuel economy and drivability …
The 2012 Focus ST is rated at 185kw and 360nm … I see these numbers as the maximum the Falcon may be getting, but more realistically the Falcon numbers will probably be slightly lower … remember this engine is not designed to win a grand prix but rather deliver good economy with efficient drivability … with the weight of the Falcon going after big numbers means the 8ltr per 100km target will be unachievable … Quote:
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02-11-2011, 11:01 AM | #12 | ||
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I actually heard from a mate who is an engineer with a supplier that works closely with Ford on important parts of the vehicle that they actually have detuned the EcoBoost package a little for that exact criteria and that the test drivers were really, really surprised at how well it went.
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02-11-2011, 01:47 PM | #13 | |||
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Oh I'll work it out just for fun:- Maybe the retail driveaway on an Ecoboost might be something like circa $54,990 and you can buy an XR6 on run-out for $34,990, difference = $20,000, so at 2 litres per 100 km's more efficient, (estimate 7.9 litres per 100 km's for Ecoboost vs 9.9 for inline 6) and with fuel at say $1.60 = 12,500 litres / 2 x 100 = 625,000 km's divided by an average per annum of 15,000 km's motoring per annum = 41 years motoring See what I mean by early adopters paying retail and getting bent over. Anyone genuinely interested in low cost large car motoring will simply buy an XR6 on run-out special pricing. Last edited by Rodge; 02-11-2011 at 02:00 PM. |
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02-11-2011, 11:02 AM | #14 | |||
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Considering this engine is in other Fords world wide like the new Focus ST, its not just what people here in Australia can do with their aftermarket wizzardry. |
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02-11-2011, 02:46 PM | #15 | |||
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What gives you the impression more torque isn't better for economy? |
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02-11-2011, 03:18 PM | #16 | |||
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Well to make more power the engine needs to burn more fuel …
When looking at the same engine, and assuming the engine in the same efficiency band (i.e. you are not trying to make too little power or too much power) a lower power out figure will be more economical than a higher power output figure … that is because more power requires more air, and more air requires more fuel to burn to maintain the same air/fuel mixture … (assuming the same efficiency band tuning is applied). The statement above may sometimes be counteracted when too little power is applied to a weight of a vehicle, hence making the higher power tune more economical, but in the Falcons case too little power is probably well below 300nm before it starts affecting economy negatively … When looking at other current implementations of the Ecoboost I can see the Volvo XC70 being a good reference point to the Falcon as it has similar dimensions and weight to the Falcon (i.e. large car) … its economy is 8.7ltr and its power figures are 177kw and 320nm, its 4wd so there is some extra drive train loss in there … The Focus ST on the other hand will have more power and better fuel economy of 7.7ltr but it’s a much lighter FWD car … That’s why I think the Falcon’s power will fall somewhere in between these two … unless Ford in not interested of achieving its original advertised 8ltr fuel economy targets … also don’t forget the Focus ST is tuned for premium fuel only, I would be surprised if Ford did the same for the Falcon and made it incompatible with 91. Quote:
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01-11-2011, 01:37 AM | #17 | ||
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Still no XR8
Looks pretty much the same old. Any word on new diesel engine for Falcon? What about FPV FG2... Anyone know?
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01-11-2011, 02:12 AM | #18 | ||
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Why no 18" option on the LPi? Anyone know the reason?
Possible to fit 18" after market? |
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01-11-2011, 02:26 AM | #19 | ||
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XT with new nose now looks a much better vehicle, one worth owning,
XR front is just ...wow and G6E is refreshed with linkage to previous model |
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01-11-2011, 07:21 AM | #20 | ||
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Liquid injection and ecoboost are great new fuel efficient options and the new colours look good but i'm still not convinced the front end styling on anything other than XT is an improvment.
8 inch screen is nice but it would have been really nice to have some genuinely useful technology, like blind spot assist or adaptive cruise control. |
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01-11-2011, 07:52 AM | #21 | ||
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Are they asking 71K for a G6E Turbo
"Falcon G6E Turbo Drive away price° from $71,313 270kW/533Nm turbocharged I6 engine with ZF 6-speed automatic transmission 19" alloy wheels^ 8-Way driver power seat with memory Luxury performance suspension" I can't imagine to many of those being sold anywhere near that price.
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01-11-2011, 07:54 AM | #22 | ||
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Gee, the Ecoboost videos would have us believe that it will be mounted transverse in the Falcon..... ;-)
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01-11-2011, 08:02 AM | #23 | ||
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It's not April 1st is it?
XT - $48,100 G6 - $51,371 G6E - $58,762 G6ET - $69,913 XR6 - $50,949 XR6T - $57,282 |
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01-11-2011, 08:16 AM | #24 | ||
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If thats the best they can do its no wonder they cant sell cars. Pretty poor effort imo. G6 models look like a smaller version of the new new Territory. Dont mind the look of the Territory but it doesnt suit the G6 range. Glad I have the G6et series 1 as well. Big yawn here......
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01-11-2011, 09:56 AM | #25 | |||
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03-11-2011, 11:07 PM | #26 | |||
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I think they rely on just selling bulk amounts of mainly XR6's sitting on the lot...if you sit down and order something bespoke in a particular colour and trim, you'll pay through the nose...I think they're trying to actively discourage people from doing that nowadays. |
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03-11-2011, 11:23 PM | #27 | |||
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The only day id buy an XT would be if I was a country rep and needed 16 inch wheels, they are just too bland and boring inside...
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01-11-2011, 10:25 AM | #28 | |||
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Shudder to think what they'll cost when they get to N.Z. what with the $1.30 exchange rate and extra 5% GST here. WTF are Ford thinking ???? If this is a portender for MK2 FPV pricing, people looking for a bargain MK1 FPV version better get moving before its common knowledge. |
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01-11-2011, 10:45 AM | #29 | |||
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It is a serious turn off for potential buyers who may see the adverts and think yeah, I'll go to the web and check them out. It also skews the resale value for Red Book etc. Those prices should be XT - $34,990 G6 - $36,990 G6E - $43,990 G6ET - $49,990 XR6 - $36,990 XR6T - $43,990 Add $2500 if you want EcoLPi
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07-11-2011, 01:49 PM | #30 | |||
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For the lazy here is a summary (based on MLP) XT - $37,235 G6 - $40,835 G6E - $46,735 G6ET - $56,235 XR6 - $39,990 XR6T - $46,2350 Cheers Russ
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