Fukushima declared an emergency...

[Trump]

http://preview.reuters.com/2013/8/5/...ikely-breached

Tepco is unable to contain the highly radioactive cooling water, declaring it an "emergency"...

[blueoval]

I knew this was going to happen eventually.

The denials only bought time. This is far more serious than people realize.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I knew this was going to happen eventually.

The denials only bought time. This is far more serious than people realize.

I don't think they bought any time, I think they just buried their head in the sand hoping people would stop noticing as the media withdrew its focus on Fukushima. I think they've realised they are screwed and people will start noticing the effects of the collapse of the containment walls.

This is bad people, really bad.

[blueoval]

yeah your right. It doesnt help when the mainstream media have been told not to report anything new from there. I think the powers that be want us to live with our eyes closed when it comes to disasters like this.

Some people do not realize the implications of the ongoing damage this will to the sea, and wildlife in general in that area.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by blueoval

yeah your right. It doesnt help when the mainstream media have been told not to report anything new from there. I think the powers that be want us to live with our eyes closed when it comes to disasters like this.

Some people do not realize the implications of the ongoing damage this will to the sea, and wildlife in general in that area.

Your absolutely right, But it would be interesting to know who or what has created the media blackout, is it just the 24 hour news cycle thats bored with it, the Japanese government, saving face on the world stage or the Nuclear power industry. The power industry has such vested intrests in the infrastructure and future of power generation that anything negative must put doubt into their future profits, look at Germany, making the wrong decision to decomission their Nuclear Power plants in the wake of the Japanese event ( Im sure there were other factors) The public opinion of nuclear in traditional nuclear societies has turned, as many in the nuclear industry expected. Now is a telling time in the globes future, do the right thing or more of the same wrong thing.
JP

[Trump]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

Your absolutely right, But it would be interesting to know who or what has created the media blackout, is it just the 24 hour news cycle thats bored with it, the Japanese government, saving face on the world stage or the Nuclear power industry. The power industry has such vested intrests in the infrastructure and future of power generation that anything negative must put doubt into their future profits, look at Germany, making the wrong decision to decomission their Nuclear Power plants in the wake of the Japanese event ( Im sure there were other factors) The public opinion of nuclear in traditional nuclear societies has turned, as many in the nuclear industry expected. Now is a telling time in the globes future, do the right thing or more of the same wrong thing.
JP

It is a combination of all of them JP. The media has become bored of it, the government wants to hide the extent of the disaster and the nuclear industry need to pretend this didn't happen to keep the coins rolling in.

This is what I find even more concerning than the loss of containment of the radioactive cooling water: The reactor cores are still stupid kinds of hot and getting hotter. Two years of cooling has done diddly squat.

[GK]

Originally Posted by blueoval

yeah your right. It doesnt help when the mainstream media have been told not to report anything new from there. I think the powers that be want us to live with our eyes closed when it comes to disasters like this.

You're right!

I can think of a disaster that has taken over 25,000,000+ lives this year and counting, and the MSM will hardly touch the issue, let alone report it as the disaster it is.

Most of the world has their eyes closed to the issue I'm thinking of.

If I told you what it was, I'd be instantly branded an idiot, bigot, etc, etc and this thread would be instantly closed.

It's the state of the world I'm afraid.

GK

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by GK

You're right!

I can think of a disaster that has taken over 25,000,000+ lives this year and counting, and the MSM will hardly touch the issue, let alone report it as the disaster it is.

Most of the world has their eyes closed to the issue I'm thinking of.

If I told you what it was, I'd be instantly branded an idiot, bigot, etc, etc and this thread would be instantly closed.

It's the state of the world I'm afraid.

GK

Ok you have my attention, what is it, PM if you like

[jpblue1000]

According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death

|JP

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

Ok you have my attention, what is it, PM if you like

Same here.

[Trump]

This by National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ve-water-leak/

[mik]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

This by National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ve-water-leak/

Originally Posted by the_scotsman

Just went to my local Tint A Car. $299 for the Octane "darkest legal tint". There was an FG XR6 there just being finished off with the same stuff. Looked really nice, but wasn't all THAT dark. So am going to just go with this as it's a good price and he seemed like a good bloke doing the job.

Looks like tepco has no real answer to cooling water problem, probably hoping people will forget about an olympic pool of contaminated water escaping every day.

[redxm]

"The Pacific Ocean is an enormous place," said Norman, who found radiation from the Fukushima nuclear power in California rainwater, milk and plants soon after the earthquake and tsunami

^^ Thats a tad scary.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by redxm

"The Pacific Ocean is an enormous place," said Norman, who found radiation from the Fukushima nuclear power in California rainwater, milk and plants soon after the earthquake and tsunami

^^ Thats a tad scary.

Now imagine two years worth of Kuroshio and North Pacific currents bring all manner of crap across from Japan...

[SPArKy_Dave]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Now imagine two years worth of Kuroshio and North Pacific currents bring all manner of crap across from Japan...

Not just in the water, but in the imported products too - cars for instance.
Alarming levels of contamination have been detected in and on used and brand new Mazda's, Honda's, Toyota's, etc.

Contamination comes from many places -
general fallout either in holding yards, at the docks or at sea, contaminated assembly line workers, and/or contaminated components from 3rd party suppliers, which are then used in the cars.

The problem is, only Russia is screening for this properly, due to their awareness from their own nuclear disaster.

http://rt.com/news/radioactive-japan...an-border-624/

http://www.blindbatnews.com/2011/12/...ecting-us/9274

http://nuke6.blogspot.com.au/2012/01...car-parts.html

http://nuclear-news.net/2013/08/02/n...ia-from-japan/

http://en.rian.ru/business/20130801/182537097.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2...contamination/

And you can guess what we do in this country....... yep, nothing.
Zip, Zilch, no testing whatsoever.

[Trump]

No judgement from me GK, what have you got?

[Bossxr8]

People dying of starvation?

[cheap]

Can someone advise how many people have died directly as a result of exposure from Fukushima's radiation issues? Please quote the source of the information too.

[Adamz Ghia]

Originally Posted by cheap

Can someone advise how many people have died directly as a result of exposure from Fukushima's radiation issues? Please quote the source of the information too.

From what I've read one doesn't die straight away from radiation exposure, the effects get you years down the track. Problem is no one can directly link it to the exposure. Take Chernobyl, some say upwards of 250,000 have dies as a result, others say as few as 5. Depends who you believe I guess...

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Adamz Ghia

From what I've read one doesn't die straight away from radiation exposure, the effects get you years down the track. Problem is no one can directly link it to the exposure. Take Chernobyl, some say upwards of 250,000 have dies as a result, others say as few as 5. Depends who you believe I guess...

Something like 56 people died as a direct result from Chernobyl. Thats it. The widespread quick introduction of medication with iodine which stops radioactivity gathering in places like, especially, the thyroid, helped greatly.
The much talked about Three Mile Island accident? Not one person even injured.

Nuclear power is safe, and has harmed a miniscule number of people compared to coal mining.

Good point (and about time) someone mentioned the truth about high level and low level virtually harmless radioactivity too. Too much fear around.

Do people know that living near a coal fired station will actually expose you to more radiation than living near a nuclear power station? Not many people know that one.

[mik]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Something like 56 people died as a direct result from Chernobyl. Thats it. The widespread quick introduction of medication with iodine which stops radioactivity gathering in places like, especially, the thyroid, helped greatly.
The much talked about Three Mile Island accident? Not one person even injured.

Nuclear power is safe, and has harmed a miniscule number of people compared to coal mining.

Good point (and about time) someone mentioned the truth about high level and low level virtually harmless radioactivity too. Too much fear around.

Do people know that living near a coal fired station will actually expose you to more radiation than living near a nuclear power station? Not many people know that one.

Those figures are disputed to this day, have you ever wondered why cancer is so prominent in modern times ? And as nucleer has onlly been around for about 50 years , it may well take generations to see what damage has been done and is still happening today by fallout from nucleer accidents.

[jpblue1000]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Nuclear power is safe, and has harmed a miniscule number of people compared to coal mining.

Good point (and about time) someone mentioned the truth about high level and low level virtually harmless radioactivity too. Too much fear around.

2011G6E you are both right and wrong in my opinion here. Nuclear Power generation when its going right is safe, and I like to parallel that with coal based power generation which when going right is actually dangerous. When coal fails it is no more dangerous than when working fine. Yet when Nuclear fails, and due to its complexity and long term nature has greater opportunity for failure is instantly devestating and widespread in its impact.

However to claim any by-product of the current nuclear power generation industry as harmless radioactivity is wrong. The short lived high level radiation kills quickly and horribly. the low level stuff, which is less dangerous but still bad enough to need caring for, storing away, and protection for tens of thousands of years plus is still amongst the most hazardous material known to mankind. Perolonged exposure will kill, limited exposure 'may' cause defects through breeding, cancers, and other anomolies that detract from a quality of life for the victim and their families and those that become exposed to the victim and their remains effectively forever. Death shoudl not be the only measure of impact, and certainly death of humans may be an insignificant toll in the grand scheme


Yet Fukishima offers us one clear lesson, Nuclear based energy production is bad, but its less bad than coal based energy production.

Nuclear may offer us a short term solution to bridge the gap between coal to a renewable energy producing future. Unfortunately it is a 20-50 year benefitting strategy that will leave an impact on the people of the globe effectively forever.

I believe there is an alternative, not only would it provide us clean energy security it has the propensity to save our economy, for now and itno the future. From today as a start point it is not necesarily an easy solution, public awareness and opinion needs to be adjusted, but it is the right thing to do, possible and an appropriate solution for our times with an appropriate legacy.

Justin

[BHDOGS]

I know a couple of workers who covered it up after the earthquake are dead And google would have it

[mik]

what effects is this radioactive crap going to have on the sea creatures and food chain , and eventually us as we eat the seafood ???

[jpblue1000]

the super dangerous radioactivity that occurs from these sorts of events and compounds, known as high level radiation, has a half life often measured in days up to weeks, an in effect decayed to harmless in a matter of months, when mixed with the sheer quantity of volume of the ocean the dispersal reduces its harm. however the low level radiation, whose half life measures in the milleniums+ doesnt have the as dramatic effect of the high level stuff butthe volumes of the material is far greater....However I wouldnt want to be anywhere near it for a good 100+ generations.
It's interesting reaing about Hiroshima after the nuclear bomb. of course those killed instantly by the blast and debris added to the casualty list but those who died within months as a result of the high level radiation. but the deformities and cancers etc that occured for decades later as a result of the low level radiation that are really telling as to the real effect of the nuclear materials
JP.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by jpblue1000

the super dangerous radioactivity that occurs from these sorts of events and compounds, known as high level radiation, has a half life often measured in days up to weeks, an in effect decayed to harmless in a matter of months, when mixed with the sheer quantity of volume of the ocean the dispersal reduces its harm. however the low level radiation, whose half life measures in the milleniums+ doesnt have the as dramatic effect of the high level stuff butthe volumes of the material is far greater....However I wouldnt want to be anywhere near it for a good 100+ generations.
It's interesting reaing about Hiroshima after the nuclear bomb. of course those killed instantly by the blast and debris added to the casualty list but those who died within months as a result of the high level radiation. but the deformities and cancers etc that occured for decades later as a result of the low level radiation that are really telling as to the real effect of the nuclear materials
JP.

Quoted for truth.

[xtremerus]

And everyone has forgotten those that were killed by the actual tsunami.

[JG34JA]

Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gundersen has covered Fukushima extensively since the accident and you will find a mountain of information here:

http://fairewinds.org/tag/fukushima-daiichi/

[mik]

Originally Posted by xtremerus

And everyone has forgotten those that were killed by the actual tsunami.

perhaps ..... , we can't bring them back, however , i'm sure most of us know someone that has been effected or died from cancer, or seen kids with deformities, nasty stuff.

[Trump]

Now this:

http://enenews.com/mystery-tv-expert...stating-impact